Should Transexuals be allowed in the Olympics?

[T_Bone]

the link (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-02/29/content_1337113.htm)

(and what impact would this have on our rules on steroids?)

[KennyR]

Simple answer: no. Having male hormones gives female competitors an unfair advantage.

[Fade]

Yes they should, but only to compete against others with the same type of "changes".

[iamaboringperson]

Should Transexuals be allowed in the Olympics?No.

[iamaboringperson]

Is Formula 1 better than the olympics?Yes!

[mdwh2]

Yes.

First of all, I don't see any problem with female-to-male transsexuals taking part with men - the only possible issue of unfairness comes with male-to-female transsexuals, surely?

Looking at other news sites, it seems that there would be a period of two years (eg, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/3496678.stm ) that they would have to wait, which is to take care of the possibility of unfairness due to male hormones.

The thing to remember is that talking about "unfairness" is a bit arbitrary. I'm not very fast at running, does this mean that I can complain that someone who is faster than me because they were born that way has an unfair advantage? For various reasons, we split sports up into male and female, but it's not like we split sports into "people with long legs", and "people with short legs". Remember it's also not true that ALL men are better than ALL women - this is only something true on average. Either we live with the situation that our grouping of men and women isn't perfect, and that there will always be people with advantages (fair or otherwise), or we scrap the distinction between men or women altogether (which I presume is less preferred). Banning transsexuals is not on; the problem lies with the system.

Comparing this to someone taking drugs to improve their performance isn't really fair. Having a sex change may take place after birth, and yes there is choice involved in whether to go ahead with it, but I doubt many transsexuals would say they had choice in being that way, and I believe they'd probably say they were born that way too. Should we fear that athletes would start having sex changes to get unfair advantages? I find that rather extreme and laughable.. (and difficult too - it's not like sex changes are handed out to anyone who asks, afaik).

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Hm, rather have the seperation alike the boxing classes, weighting classifications (or something like that)?

[KennyR]

mdwh2 wrote:
First of all, I don't see any problem with female-to-male transsexuals taking part with men - the only possible issue of unfairness comes with male-to-female transsexuals, surely?

Women have their advantages too. One is stamina - women long distance runners have a distinct advantage over the men.

I'm not very fast at running, does this mean that I can complain that someone who is faster than me because they were born that way has an unfair advantage?

Of course not - the olympics wouldn't be very interesting if the rules enforced that athletes were all physically equal. So you take a different line. They take the line that 'natural', inborn abilities are acceptable. In other words, if you have racial or hereditary advantages, this is ok. Transsexuals do not fall into this catagory, unfortunately.

[BADHead]

you could have a dress rehearsal :lol:

[redrumloa]

Should Transexuals be allowed in the Olympics?

Being a transexual is now an olympic event :-?

[AccyD]

BADHead wrote:
you could have a dress rehearsal :lol:

What with the most points going to who looked best in the dress? :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

:roll:
*sigh*
all these dumb*sses don't think a millisecond about the possibility 'transexual = woman -> man' instead of 'transexual = man -> woman'

[redrumloa]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
:roll:
*sigh*
all these dumb*sses don't think a millisecond about the possibility 'transexual = woman -> man' instead of 'transexual = man -> woman'

I don't know who you think is a dumb ass, but ~98% of all transexuals are man->woman.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Source?

[redrumloa]

Duplicate post

[mdwh2]

redrumloa wrote:
I don't know who you think is a dumb ass, but ~98% of all transexuals are man->woman.Which of course means that they all are!

[mdwh2]

KennyR wrote:
Of course not - the olympics wouldn't be very interesting if the rules enforced that athletes were all physically equal. So you take a different line. They take the line that 'natural', inborn abilities are acceptable. In other words, if you have racial or hereditary advantages, this is ok.

And sex advantages are okay too? Except they're not; people are categorised by sex because it is considered "fairer", which is the entire problem.

On the other hand, clearly physical changes after birth are acceptable in some forms, eg, training to make yourself stronger (no I'm not saying that changing one's sex is necessarily equivalent to this, but just pointing out that it's not a clear cut thing).

Transsexuals do not fall into this catagory, unfortunately.Well this comes down to whether transsexuals are born that way (and as a result of their condition need treatment later on), or whether they're no different to anyone else, but decide that they want to have a change of gender.

I'm far from an expert on the matter, but I was under the impression that the general view was that it was more the former (the only claims I've seen that it's the latter have been barely literate non-scientific and non-researched rants that seem to be written under the impression that ppl get sex changes because they want to wear a dress - judging by the "dress" jokes in this thread, that seems to be the level of reasoning here, too). If you're claiming that it clearly is the latter, then I'd be curious to see the evidence.

[angrybrit]

Trannies don't need to be allowed in the Olympics. They need some sort of cognitive therapy.

A male who believes that he wasn't meant to be born a man and have his weiner cut off needs help. :crazy:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

angrybrit wrote:
Trannies don't need to be allowed in the Olympics. They need some sort of cognitive therapy.

A male who believes that he wasn't meant to be born a man and have his weiner cut off needs help. :crazy: A 'bit' more respect please :pissed: :madashell:
It is proven that many of the male transsexuals actually have a women's brain.

The one's who needs therapy is you, with your serious lack of empathy.



So SHUT THE F*CK UP! :-x :-x :-x


(btw, congratulations, you're the second who made me pissed)

[sumner7]

It would be very unfair to let Transexuals enter the olympics. :admonish:

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

angrybrit wrote:
Trannies don't need to be allowed in the Olympics. They need some sort of cognitive therapy.

A male who believes that he wasn't meant to be born a man and have his weiner cut off needs help. :crazy: A 'bit' more respect please :pissed: :madashell:
It is proven that many of the male transsexuals actually have a women's brain.

The one's who needs therapy is you, with your serious lack of empathy.


So you don't agree they need serious help? What, do you reccomend they perform the operation at home, themselves, with a steak knife? :crazy:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

angrybrit wrote:
Trannies don't need to be allowed in the Olympics. They need some sort of cognitive therapy.

A male who believes that he wasn't meant to be born a man and have his weiner cut off needs help. :crazy: A 'bit' more respect please :pissed: :madashell:
It is proven that many of the male transsexuals actually have a women's brain.

The one's who needs therapy is you, with your serious lack of empathy.


So you don't agree they need serious help? What, do you reccomend they perform the operation at home, themselves, with a steak knife? :crazy: :lol: b*stard! :lol:
You make an olympic sport of wrongly interpreting me :lol:

[angrybrit]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
A 'bit' more respect please :pissed: :madashell:
It is proven that many of the male transsexuals actually have a women's brain.

The one's who needs therapy is you, with your serious lack of empathy.



So SHUT THE F*CK UP! :-x :-x :-x


(btw, congratulations, you're the second who made me pissed)
How can I have empathy for something I, and the majority of people on this planet, find repulsive and disgraceful? :-? :smack:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

angrybrit wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
A 'bit' more respect please :pissed: :madashell:
It is proven that many of the male transsexuals actually have a women's brain.

The one's who needs therapy is you, with your serious lack of empathy.



So SHUT THE F*CK UP! :-x :-x :-x


(btw, congratulations, you're the second who made me pissed)
How can I have empathy for something I, and the majority of people on this planet, find repulsive and disgraceful? :-? :smack: Empathy, in general, is something real hard for you eh?

And what is your source about that 'the majority of the people think it's disgraceful'?

And why should we always follow the majority? That's a true Nazi way of thinking I can tell you. (In other words, you're a Nazi.)

oh, btw, I sincerely hope you once get in a situation which the majority think it's disgraceful.

[voxel]

LOUD YES!

At least WE are ALL human being, regardless of our sex, race, color, sexual preference, religion and political opinions.

And anyone trying to argue the contrary will always be wrong.

[cecilia]

angrybrit wrote:

How can I have empathy for something I, and the majority of people on this planet, find repulsive and disgraceful? :-? :smack: Well!
i may not understand how someone can want to alter their body, but, as it's THEIR body, they have every right to do what they like. it's not up to me OR YOU to judge them like this.
it's not something i would ever do, but empathy doesn't require DOING the same thing, only respecting others to do what they feel is right for them.
however strange!

[Speelgoedmannetje]

@Cecilia

Well, I find it hard to have empathy for his puny brain.

Though I TRY!
:destroy: :flame:
(to get him out of his misery)

[mdwh2]

angrybrit wrote:
How can I have empathy for something I, and the majority of people on this planet, find repulsive and disgraceful? :-? :smack: Um, even if you do find it repulsive and disgraceful, that shouldn't have anything to do with whether you can have empathy.

And please don't claim to speak for the majority of people on this planet.

[that_punk_guy]

angrybrit wrote:
How can I have empathy for something I, and the majority of people on this planet, find repulsive and disgraceful? :-? :smack:

Look empathy up in a dictionary, assuming you can read.

[angrybrit]

Degenerates have been left running about unchecked for the last 40 years. People still haven't figured out that it's destroying the family unit and plaguing society. Only a monster would spread this kind of poison like you people are doing. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

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If you disagree with this statement then that makes you automatically a bad evil person and a Nazi. ;-)

[voxel]

@ angrybrit

If I understand you well anyone that's not thinking sickly as you are have no rights to exists and should not open his mouth? :admonish:

Can you go to Hell please? I think you will be the best friend of adolf H. there. :furious:

Jean-François.

[mdwh2]

angrybrit wrote:
Degenerates have been left running about unchecked for the last 40 years. People still haven't figured out that it's destroying the family unit and plaguing society. Only a monster would spread this kind of poison like you people are doing. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
If you say so... not sure what this claim has to do with the issue at hand.


If you disagree with this statement then that makes you automatically a bad evil person and a Nazi. ;-)
Godwin's Law - you lose.