Drug testing in schools

[sumner7]

I think this is way out of order. This has gone too far. Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools. Take a look at the story for yourself...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3511611.stm

[T_Bone]

sumner7 wrote:
I think this is way out of order. This has gone too far. Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools. Take a look at the story for yourself...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3511611.stm

I don't know... remembering what school was like when I went, I'm kind of for it. I'd be more against drug testing in the workplace than in schools.

[KennyR]

This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.

Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? If I was a parent I would simply refuse to allow my child to take the test, even if he/she was clean. I'd go to the European Court of Human Rights.

[sumner7]

T_Bone wrote:

sumner7 wrote:
I think this is way out of order. This has gone too far. Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools. Take a look at the story for yourself...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3511611.stm

I don't know... remembering what school was like when I went, I'm kind of for it. I'd be more against drug testing in the workplace than in schools.

I suppose it could be OK in some aspects.

[mikeymike]

I think it sets a very bad precedent.

IMO, the sooner "Labour" are out, the better.

[bloodline]

KennyR wrote:
This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.

Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? If I was a parent I would simply refuse to allow my child to take the test, even if he/she was clean. I'd go to the European Court of Human Rights.

Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.

I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.

[sumner7]

Dracula for Prime Minister!

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:
This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.

Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

What does this have to do with innocence or guilt? We're not talking about being accused of a crime.

Anyways, this gives teenagers a perfectly peer-pressure acceptable excuse not to do drugs. When I was in school the best excuse I could find was "I can't afford it."
:-)

[mikeymike]

bloodline wrote:

KennyR wrote:
This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.
Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? If I was a parent I would simply refuse to allow my child to take the test, even if he/she was clean. I'd go to the European Court of Human Rights.
Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.
I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.


I agree with KennyR on this one. Currently if the police want to check if you've been taking drugs, I'm fairly sure they have to arrest you, and ask you if they can take the test. I would also refuse to allow my kids to be drug-tested in school, unless someone wants to make an accusation.

[sumner7]

Even though I agree with this in some aspects, I wouldn't let my kids take drugs either.

BTW, I am now a Cult Member! Here's to another 500 posts!!! :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint:

[bloodline]

mikeymike wrote:

bloodline wrote:

KennyR wrote:
This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.
Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? If I was a parent I would simply refuse to allow my child to take the test, even if he/she was clean. I'd go to the European Court of Human Rights.
Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.
I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.


I agree with KennyR on this one. Currently if the police want to check if you've been taking drugs, I'm fairly sure they have to arrest you, and ask you if they can take the test. I would also refuse to allow my kids to be drug-tested in school, unless someone wants to make an accusation.


I'd demand that my kids have the test, and if the little B'stard got a positive result while they are supposed to be at school he/she'd get a hidding of thier life.

They can take drugs, but not on my time!

It's like the dork who used to work here, he would come in stoned off his tits and make loads of mistakes (putting the council at risk of prosecution).

I decided that I cover his mistakes and sort out all the problems as well as my own work, just this once (Everybody deserves a second chance).

He did it again, got fired, I couldn't be bothered to help him... hopfully he's rotting in a bedsit now. :-x

If he had been clever (like me), and he wanted to get off his face, he would have booked the day after as annual leave. That's what I did last Friday, since I knew I was going to have a big night on Thursday.

[that_punk_guy]

bloodline wrote:
He did it again, got fired, I couldn't be bothered to help him... hopfully he's rotting in a bedsit now. :-x

If he had been clever (like me), and he wanted to get off his face, he would have booked the day after as annual leave. That's what I did last Friday, since I knew I was going to have a big night on Thursday.

Well... he was rightly sacked, I still wouldn't deem it necessary for everyone at your workplace to have mandatory drug-testing.

I have a few problems with this. First, teenagers think the world is out to get them. This is damn near proof of that, I don't think alienating your kids helps get them on the straight and narrow.

Also, it's yet another opportunity for parents to dump parental responsibilities on the school. Almost like, "it's okay if they do drugs, 'cause the school will find out and we'll get a report." If your kids are using drugs often enough to get caught in a mandatory drug test (I'm assuming it's not a daily thing...?) and you don't know about it, there's something seriously wrong there that all the urinalysis in the world is not going to fix.

Kids shouldn't use this as an excuse to say "no" either. For a start, it probably won't deter a pusher any more than any other excuse. Secondly, what the f**k is wrong with just saying "no" because you don't want to take drugs? It seems to me that the same people who worry about teenagers being so irresponsible are the ones who want to take all opportunity to make positive, responsible decisions for themselves away from them.

That's all aside from the obvious privacy issues.

[KennyR]

Don't get me wrong, I'm very against drugs. But to give people mandatory drug tests when they aren't performing a dangerous task is like treating everyone like a drug user in advance. It's like the police forcing you to stop and empty your pockets when you're walking down the street or they arrest you. It's aggressive policing and not the kind any free society should have.

If the government have failed to educate people about the evils of drugs and failed to enforce their ban, why should they then take a bite out of our liberties just for their own incompetence?

[bloodline]

that_punk_guy wrote:
bloodline wrote:
He did it again, got fired, I couldn't be bothered to help him... hopfully he's rotting in a bedsit now. :-x

If he had been clever (like me), and he wanted to get off his face, he would have booked the day after as annual leave. That's what I did last Friday, since I knew I was going to have a big night on Thursday.

Well... he was rightly sacked, I still wouldn't deem it necessary for everyone at your workplace to have mandatory drug-testing.

I have a few problems with this. First, teenagers think the world is out to get them. This is damn near proof of that, I don't think alienating your kids helps get them on the straight and narrow.

Also, it's yet another opportunity for parents to dump parental responsibilities on the school. Almost like, "it's okay if they do drugs, 'cause the school will find out and we'll get a report." If your kids are using drugs often enough to get caught in a mandatory drug test (I'm assuming it's not a daily thing...?) and you don't know about it, there's something seriously wrong there that all the urinalysis in the world is not going to fix.

Kids shouldn't use this as an excuse to say "no" either. For a start, it probably won't deter a pusher any more than any other excuse. Secondly, what the f**k is wrong with just saying "no" because you don't want to take drugs? It seems to me that the same people who worry about teenagers being so irresponsible are the ones who want to take all opportunity to make positive, responsible decisions for themselves away from them.

That's all aside from the obvious privacy issues.


Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro choice when it comes to drug use. But I do agree with drug testing in situations like these. Drug use in your own time is your busines, on company time it's not.

[bloodline]

I don't know why but this feels like it fits the context of this thread :-)

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[whabang]

:lol:

Sumner7 said:

Even though I agree with this in some aspects, I wouldn't let my kids take drugs either.


You've got kids? Maybe they need to start testing for pregnancies in school too!

Anyway, instead of testing for drugs, just refuse to treat drug addicts, and put them in combat pits, where they can fight to the death over a few pills. It'd make great TV, and think of the profits, ladies and gentleman, the PROFITS!

[CU_AMiGA]

You've got kids?


:lol:

[Glaucus]

I'd demand that my kids have the test, and if the little B'stard got a positive result while they are supposed to be at school he/she'd get a hidding of thier life.Yeah, except that most drugs leave a risidual effect, and will show up on drug tests weeks after taken.

- Mike

[KennyR]

The tests could also actually be flawed, I've just realised. When I was at school our school bus smelt like a hippy. All that cannabis must have got into the bodies of people who weren't smoking it. If the test is sensitive enough to pick up that, our school would have had 100% drug use. Actually it was really nearer 90%, but...

[blobrana]

Yea, these tests are fraught with loop-holes... Who is going to verify the results, (check the checkers), where is the money going to come from?, are the teachers now going to take on a prison warden role?..(not to mention personal rights.)
This may have worked in the US, but i think that it is unsuitable for the UK.

(Anyway, why do we have to use children as guinea-pigs... what`s wrong with the current animal-testing anyway?) :-)

[mdwh2]

bloodline wrote:
Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.
And would being kicked out of school (or possibly ending up with a criminal record) would have helped your life?


I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.
How long do drugs remain in one's system? I'm sure it was quite a long period, more than a few days at least, in which case those who do take drugs in their holidays will be penalised also.

[mdwh2]

bloodline wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro choice when it comes to drug use. But I do agree with drug testing in situations like these. Drug use in your own time is your busines, on company time it's not.But surely, these drug tests aren't about whether you're currently high on drugs (which would be reasonable), but whether you took one in the last few days/weeks/months?

[Andy]

It could be if a teacher decides to hate a pupil for no reason, i.e lets call him Mr Bald git Major he could decide to fit someone up.



Fit up (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_868754.html)

[Fade]

I have always thought that if a school system thought it needed to test a student for drugs, then it also needed to test the teacher. For every 10 students tested, 10 teachers tested plus 1 administrator. For every football player, 1 coach.

Also, if students need to wear a school uniform, then so does the faculty and administration. The very same uniform in all cases.

Suggest this to your local school board and see how far it gets.

[Dan]

You know schools need to be rationalized first get rid of all the furniture and books and stuff it only gets vandalized.Then put in some troughs to feed and water the kids in and put up an eletrical fence around the schoolyard so that the don´t escape.


When government and parliament approves ideas like this it´s clear that it isn´t the schoolkids that needs testing.
Isn´t governemt and parliament supposed to be the on of the most demanding and responsible jobs in society?
The why isn´t there any drugtest at that workplace?

[that_punk_guy]

Fade wrote:
I have always thought that if a school system thought it needed to test a student for drugs, then it also needed to test the teacher. For every 10 students tested, 10 teachers tested plus 1 administrator. For every football player, 1 coach.

Also, if students need to wear a school uniform, then so does the faculty and administration. The very same uniform in all cases.


Hmm. I... I kinda agree. :-?

How did that happen? ;-)

[Fade]

The answer is easy.

You are getting older.

[that_punk_guy]

If you mean to imply I'm "growing up", I take offence.

[mikeymike]

that_punk_guy wrote:
If you mean to imply I'm "growing up", I take offence.


Yeah, tpg couldn't grow up if his life depended on it! ;-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Fade wrote:
The answer is easy.

You are getting older.
Get old, die.

[that_punk_guy]

mikeymike wrote:
Yeah, tpg couldn't grow up if his life depended on it! ;-)


*Scowls*

;-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

/me saw this thread
/me remembered the countless times me spent cleansing the school square

[FluffyMcDeath]

sumner7 wrote:
Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools.

Oh come on, this is not new. When I was going to school we tested tons of drugs.

[sumner7]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

sumner7 wrote:
Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools.

Oh come on, this is not new. When I was going to school we tested tons of drugs.

What drugs did you test? And anyway, was it authorised???

[Dan]

sumner7 wrote:

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

sumner7 wrote:
Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools.

Oh come on, this is not new. When I was going to school we tested tons of drugs.

What drugs did you test? And anyway, was it authorised???
Well, when I was in fifth grade and we had a "drugs are bad" lesson, we got informed about sniffing thinner. Thinner was provided in next lesson woodcraft. :lol.