CommodoreUSA Begins Shipment of C64x and VIC Slim

[dammy]

On June 24th, 2011 CommodoreUSA began shipment of their C64x and VIC-Slim series. Barry Altman said their next priority will be getting COS 1.0 out to beta testers in the coming weeks. Leo Nigro, C=USA's CTO, has been accepting beta testing applications for the past week, NDA will be required. With CommodoreUSA now shipping products to pre-orders on a FIFO basis, Barry Altman stated CommodoreUSA will shift focus to launching their Commodore Amiga series. The Commodore Amiga series is expect to be launch in the fourth quarter of 2011 with desktops first, followed by the A500x, and then towers. COS 2.x series is expected in 2012.

Original announcement may be found at: http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5142-theyre-on-their-way?lang=en#5142

[djrikki]

I vote this news item be deleted.

Amiga.org » Amiga computer related discussion » Amiga News and Community Announcements » Announcements and Press Releases » CommodoreUSA Begins Shipment of C64x and VIC Slim

It clearly says Amiga computer related discussion and the Commodore USA Amiga won't contain AmigaOS so doesn't belong on this board.

[paolone]

I vote this news item be deleted.

Amiga.org » Amiga computer related discussion » Amiga News and Community Announcements » Announcements and Press Releases » CommodoreUSA Begins Shipment of C64x and VIC Slim

It clearly says Amiga computer related discussion and the Commodore USA Amiga won't contain AmigaOS so doesn't belong on this board.

I found the news interesting, indeed.

[Fransexy_]

I found the news interesting, indeed.

I also find interesting the reproductive life of the madagascar's flies. Can I then put news about this?

[SysAdmin]

http://gizmodo.com/5815277/why-old-gadgets-look-like-your-dog-peed-on-them

[trekiej]

I vote this news item be deleted.

Amiga.org » Amiga computer related discussion » Amiga News and Community Announcements » Announcements and Press Releases » CommodoreUSA Begins Shipment of C64x and VIC Slim

It clearly says Amiga computer related discussion and the Commodore USA Amiga won't contain AmigaOS so doesn't belong on this board.

+1

[desiv]

It clearly says Amiga computer related discussion and the Commodore USA Amiga won't contain AmigaOS so doesn't belong on this board.
But the forum name isn't AmigaOS, it is Amiga news..

And they do "mention" Amiga..
True, it is a tenuous connection, but it is there...

I might not think it's worthwhile or good news, but it's not for me to judge what others might think fits...

desiv

(peprsonally, I'm an original hardware and OS fan, but I know not everyone else is..)

[runequester]

Today, Dell shipped thousands of PCs that doesn't run amiga OS either.

[spihunter]

If this is shipping were are the screen shots of CommodoreOS?. Where is the support section of your site where I can download drivers?. where are the pictures of what actually comes in the box?.

[redfox]

Congratulations.

[Karlos]

Thread moved to "Other Operating Systems"... Pity we don't have a more general news category (ie not Amiga specific) as this is still newsworthy, even if not amiga specific.

Anyway, congratulations to CUSA for actually getting a product out of the door.

[Darrin]

More lies from Spammy, the man who posts 2 year old pictures of 100,000s of mobos in a German factory claiming they're C64x units shipping to customers where he knows that his actual sales are in the 3 figure department and they're being assembled on 4 folding tables in Florida?

Hardly anybody believes a word you or your master says anymore.

[Duce]

Eagerly awaiting reviews on these.

I own some of the same mobo's - they are underpowered for anything much more demanding than a fileserver, basic email or simple docs. If you install Windows on one, the poor performance will have you chucking it out of a moving vehicle.

[Darrin]

Eagerly awaiting reviews on these.

I own some of the same mobo's - they are underpowered for anything much more demanding than a fileserver, basic email or simple docs. If you install Windows on one, the poor performance will have you chucking it out of a moving vehicle.

Just remember that the first few "good" reviews we'll see will be written by Spammy and his mates using false names. ;)

[Iggy]

Well the VIC s are no great surprise as they're completely off shelf, but I'm glad to hear that the C64x is shipping (since its been listed on the web site for weeks now).
Whether you like C-USA or not, now that they're actually shipping product they're a legitimate computer company.
Congratulations Barry and Leo.

[faki]

Today, Dell shipped thousands of PCs that doesn't run amiga OS either.
ROFL. :) The best reply yet in this thread.

[TheDaddy]

>>Today, Dell shipped thousands of PCs that doesn't run amiga OS either.

EPIC! :)

[TheDaddy]

@Dammy

Hello!

You are here again, nice!;)

I started missing your nonsense posts, welcome back!

Haven't heard from you in a while...more or less since the fake Fujitsu factory photos that you happily posted.

>>Nine months from securing licenses to shipping the C64x isn't that horrific. I think we all >>know of far worse delays.

9 months to pay someone to replicate the C64 shell and put in some very ordinary motherboard with an underpowered CPU which is already 3 years old. And we all know that in x86 terms it's like an eternity.

Why do you still treat people like idiots?

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO Research and Development in what you do, ZERO!

a BIG FAT ZERO!

The difference between your company and the other company is this:

You are nothing more than a pc assembly company what in the real world is called a "system builder", how well those systems are built is still to be discovered.

The Vics...or whatever you want to call them, guess what... they are not yours! Don't pretend you have developed those, you have purchased them (those end of line models), rebadged them and are now selling them on for profit. Nothing more than any other online retailer.

>>They have been a tad bit busy to satisfy tens of thousands of purchases of their C64x >>(plus hundreds of VIC-Slim orders). Next is to get COS 1.x out to Beta testers in the >>coming weeks while furthering work on the Commodore Amiga series.


COS1.x? What is this? Linux. So your R&D is in picking up something that already exists, changing a few bits here and there to make it look a bit Amigaish or a tad Commodoreish. Big deal!

So theoretically I could pick up a computer case, put an x86 motherboard in, install Linux Ubuntu, call it Banantu slap a big banana on as a logo and off I go.

Actually...this is not a bad idea...might give Atari a ring.

How excellent!

>>be happy that C=USA has begun shipping products as their focus swings to their >>Commodore Amiga series.

ROFL!

I missed you...keep posting, this is better than watching comedy TV. :)

[rebraist]

@Dammy

Hello!

You are here again, nice!;)

I started missing your nonsense posts, welcome back!

Haven't heard from you in a while...more or less since the fake Fujitsu factory photos that you happily posted.

>>Nine months from securing licenses to shipping the C64x isn't that horrific. I think we all >>know of far worse delays.

9 months to pay someone to replicate the C64 shell and put in some very ordinary motherboard with an underpowered CPU which is already 3 years old. And we all know that in x86 terms it's like an eternity.

Why do you still treat people like idiots?

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO Research and Development in what you do, ZERO!

a BIG FAT ZERO!

The difference between your company and the other company is this:

You are nothing more than a pc assembly company what in the real world is called a "system builder", how well those systems are built is still to be discovered.

The Vics...or whatever you want to call them, guess what... they are not yours! Don't pretend you have developed those, you have purchased them (those end of line models), rebadged them and are now selling them on for profit. Nothing more than any other online retailer.

>>They have been a tad bit busy to satisfy tens of thousands of purchases of their C64x >>(plus hundreds of VIC-Slim orders). Next is to get COS 1.x out to Beta testers in the >>coming weeks while furthering work on the Commodore Amiga series.


COS1.x? What is this? Linux. So your R&D is in picking up something that already exists, changing a few bits here and there to make it look a bit Amigaish or a tad Commodoreish. Big deal!

So theoretically I could pick up a computer case, put an x86 motherboard in, install Linux Ubuntu, call it Banantu slap a big banana on as a logo and off I go.

Actually...this is not a bad idea...might give Atari a ring.

How excellent!

>>be happy that C=USA has begun shipping products as their focus swings to their >>Commodore Amiga series.

ROFL!

I missed you...keep posting, this is better than watching comedy TV. :)
if this company is "so zero zero" why are you wasting yer time writing all these lines of text?
they make no research? good. 70% of pc market doesn't make research and they equally are 70% of the market. do you usually yell against 70% of pc brands?


@cusa: let's shock us! if it's not a lie as the "chinese factory affair" was, i hope you all the best.


i'm not so anxious on reviews: c64x it's surely cute and pretty but it's an intel atom based compact pc. let's wait for the os instead.

for the tough guy about dell: does sam4xx run my wb 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.04, 3.0, 3.1 3.5 or 3.9? what? only 4.0? my amiga runs 4.0. why your sam doesn't run all the others?

[kolla]

if this company is "so zero zero" why are you wasting yer time writing all these lines of text?

For entertainment, same reason I am replying to you now. For some of us, writing many lines of text is not hard work at all, we can do it pretty much in our sleep.

[orange]

@Dammy

COS1.x? What is this? Linux. So your R&D is in picking up something that already exists, changing a few bits here and there to make it look a bit Amigaish or a tad Commodoreish. Big deal!

So theoretically I could pick up a computer case, put an x86 motherboard in, install Linux Ubuntu, call it Banantu slap a big banana on as a logo and off I go.



hm, I've heard lots of companies are using Linux this way. For eg. lots of routers, them Android phones and similar..

but, as long as the potential buyer knows what he's getting, I don't see reason for anyone getting so upset about all this.

[TheDaddy]

@rebraist

>>if this company is "so zero zero" why are you wasting yer time writing all these lines of text?

Because it's funny, incredibly funny.


>>they make no research? good. 70% of pc market doesn't make research and they equally are 70% of the market. do you usually yell against 70% of pc brands?


No I don't, I don't yell against 70% of pc market because they don't pretend to be something they are not, I hope you can understand that, if not then you have a problem.


>>let's shock us! if it's not a lie as the "chinese factory affair" was, i hope you all the best.

I wish them all the best too.

But, and hopefully you'll grasp this:

Wouldn't have been easier to say: "Sorry we've f*cked up, we wanted to impress", it would have been a more honourable thing to do but no, they keep on coming and keep on digging"

Just say we want to make x86 compatible machines and slap the Commodore and Amiga name on because we know that we'll sell a few.

It looks like Bill McEwen's last hope to have a go at Hyperion and the only way to do this is to license the name on anything he can possibly think of hence CUSA, iContain, tablets with the Amiga name on, toilet paper and so on.

All this because he has actually got no products at all, zero, the absolute nothing. There was a questionable OS that was demonstrated a few years back that could be moved from one device to another but then nothing, the abyss, the emptiness and the uselessness of it all is staggering. One of the worst things that ever happened to our beloved platform was it being driven away from us by a trucker.

How can these Amiga Inc. fans look at themselves in the mirror and say: "Oh yes I have got the new C64 or the new Amiga" and really believe it?

There is nothing Commodore or Amiga but the name.


>>i'm not so anxious on reviews: c64x it's surely cute and pretty but it's an intel atom based compact pc. let's wait for the os instead.


OS? What? Linux. There done.

I can assemble you (because that is what they do) a FASTER pc than the C64x, with a lot more memory, more powerful graphics card for less money which runs Ubuntu, AROS and Windows.

[TheDaddy]

hm, I've heard lots of companies are using Linux this way. For eg. lots of routers, them Android phones and similar..

but, as long as the potential buyer knows what he's getting, I don't see reason for anyone getting so upset about all this.


You are missing the point completely!

read above.

[rebraist]

@rebraist

>>if this company is "so zero zero" why are you wasting yer time writing all these lines of text?

Because it's funny, incredibly funny.


>>they make no research? good. 70% of pc market doesn't make research and they equally are 70% of the market. do you usually yell against 70% of pc brands?


No I don't, I don't yell against 70% of pc market because they don't pretend to be something they are not, I hope you can understand that, if not then you have a problem.


>>let's shock us! if it's not a lie as the "chinese factory affair" was, i hope you all the best.

I wish them all the best too.

But, and hopefully you'll grasp this:

Wouldn't have been easier to say: "Sorry we've f*cked up, we wanted to impress", it would have been a more honourable thing to do but no, they keep on coming and keep on digging"

Just say we want to make x86 compatible machines and slap the Commodore and Amiga name on because we know that we'll sell a few.

It looks like Bill McEwen's last hope to have a go at Hyperion and the only way to do this is to license the name on anything he can possibly think of hence CUSA, iContain, tablets with the Amiga name on, toilet paper and so on.

All this because he has actually got no products at all, zero, the absolute nothing. There was a questionable OS that was demonstrated a few years back that could be moved from one device to another but then nothing, the abyss, the emptiness and the uselessness of it all is staggering. One of the worst things that ever happened to our beloved platform was it being driven away from us by a trucker.

How can these Amiga Inc. fans look at themselves in the mirror and say: "Oh yes I have got the new C64 or the new Amiga" and really believe it?

There is nothing Commodore or Amiga but the name.


>>i'm not so anxious on reviews: c64x it's surely cute and pretty but it's an intel atom based compact pc. let's wait for the os instead.


OS? What? Linux. There done.


I can assemble you (because that is what they do) a FASTER pc than the C64x, with a lot more memory, more powerful graphics card for less money which runs Ubuntu, AROS and Windows.

Mimicry and pretending, x86, overpriced machines, selling smoke, using linux (or unix) as something written by them, using 80s brand to sell standard pcs, marketing, marketing, marketing...
Are you angry with apple too and normally do you yell against fruit? This could be an interesting thing.

[TheDaddy]

@rebraist

>>Mimicry and pretending, x86, overpriced machines, selling smoke, using linux (or unix) as something written by them, using 80s brand to sell standard pcs, marketing, marketing, marketing...
Are you angry with apple too and normally do you yell against fruit? This could be an interesting thing.


Sorry, apart from the fact that I am finding it difficult to understand what you are saying, but really WHAT?

[Duce]

Just curious here, Dammy - with a preface. I in no way meant to insult the C-USA offerings by stating that they specifically are underpowered, I merely wished to state my experiences with identical hardware (the Atom same boards in the 64 model), which were less than ideal for myself. Did not mean to insinuate that your machines may not do what the majority of your customers require from them. That being said, I use one of the Atom ION boards as a WinUAE box with fairly pleasant results, after minimizing the Windows footprint in the background, it handles any old legacy Amiga stuff I throw at it.

With that, I'd appreciate a serious answer to a question:

What media outlets is C-USA shipping the C-USA 64 (NOT the commodity rebadged AIO's) to for reviews? I want to know where to look for reviews now that they are shipping, since you guys have clearly developed a press model, I'd assume they will be going to reviewers ASAP.

Hey, if you can bombard us with info about them, I figure we have a right to ask where we can look for independent reviews now that they have shipped, no?

[wizard66]

WOW a Banantu ???? !!!!
Damm I want one with the babanna it beats the x86/c64 from CUSA for sure :-) LOL

[TheDaddy]

WOW a Banantu ???? !!!!
Damm I want one with the babanna it beats the x86/c64 from CUSA for sure :-) LOL


Do you think I should copyright it? :)

[Fullflavormenthol]

@rebraist

>>Mimicry and pretending, x86, overpriced machines, selling smoke, using linux (or unix) as something written by them, using 80s brand to sell standard pcs, marketing, marketing, marketing...
Are you angry with apple too and normally do you yell against fruit? This could be an interesting thing.


Sorry, apart from the fact that I am finding it difficult to understand what you are saying, but really WHAT?

I think he is trying to argue that Apple does the same thing? At least that is what I pulled from it.

[gertsy]

The ghost of Franko lives....

[Belial6]

Just curious here, Dammy - with a preface. I in no way meant to insult the C-USA offerings by stating that they specifically are underpowered, I merely wished to state my experiences with identical hardware (the Atom same boards in the 64 model), which were less than ideal for myself. Did not mean to insinuate that your machines may not do what the majority of your customers require from them. That being said, I use one of the Atom ION boards as a WinUAE box with fairly pleasant results, after minimizing the Windows footprint in the background, it handles any old legacy Amiga stuff I throw at it.

With that, I'd appreciate a serious answer to a question:

What media outlets is C-USA shipping the C-USA 64 (NOT the commodity rebadged AIO's) to for reviews? I want to know where to look for reviews now that they are shipping, since you guys have clearly developed a press model, I'd assume they will be going to reviewers ASAP.

Hey, if you can bombard us with info about them, I figure we have a right to ask where we can look for independent reviews now that they have shipped, no?

Asking where independent reviews will be found is certainly a fair question. Although Dammy is not a CUSA employee. He has been clear about this, and in no way has ever implied that he was. He is in regular contact with CUSA though.

I am surprised that you have so much trouble getting your Atom based system to work. I have an Acer Revo. It has an N270 CPU and an ION1 video chipset. I use it as an HTPC. It handles XBMC, Netflix and HULU all just fine. It also handles Flash games and light gaming with no problems. If yours doesn't handle these, something in your setup is defective. The C64x uses a dual core D525 CPU with ION2 graphics. Maybe this is a poor assumption, but I would expect a significant speed boost over the adequate N270/ION1.

CUSA has been pretty clear on what kind of performance you should expect from this system. They are not claiming that it will break any speed records. They have been consistent for some time now that the Amiga line will be their power systems. The C64x is a retro system that is not designed for 'gamers' as in people wanting to play the latest games. It WILL be plenty fast enough to emulate the C64 that it's outside is designed to look like. I would be really surprised if it couldn't handle UAE just fine as well.

The question for me that will determine if it is a good processor/graphics chip selection will be when I see the power profiles coming out. My Revo Atom system uses only 12 watts when idle, and tops out at 20 watts when under full load. If the C64x comes in at 30 watts or less under full load, it will be perfect for the job it is designed for.

[mongo]

CUSA has been pretty clear on what kind of performance you should expect from this system.

Our mission statement is to produce "Beautiful, High-Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment".

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Vision.aspx

[Belial6]

And they still say they intend to. What is your point in that non-sequetor statement. Just because a company says they intend to make high performance computers doesn't mean they are tricking anyone when they have a lower spec'ed model that they say is spec'ed lower.

[CritAnime]

Here we go again.
http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-popcorn.gif

[mongo]

And they still say they intend to. What is your point in that non-sequetor statement. Just because a company says they intend to make high performance computers doesn't mean they are tricking anyone when they have a lower spec'ed model that they say is spec'ed lower.

What we do
Beautiful, High-Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Home.aspx

They don't say it's what they intend to do, they say it's what they do.

[Belial6]

Trolling. Simple Trolling. We all get it. You hate CUSA. It isn't your particular view of the one true Amiga. Even so, your trolls make you look ridiculous. You know they are working on higher end machines. You know that they are not claiming that the C64x is a powerhouse machine. Playing stupid and taking statements from their website out of context or being pedantic doesn't make your right. It just makes you a troll.

[mongo]

Trolling. Simple Trolling. We all get it. You hate CUSA. It isn't your particular view of the one true Amiga. Even so, your trolls make you look ridiculous. You know they are working on higher end machines. You know that they are not claiming that the C64x is a powerhouse machine. Playing stupid and taking statements from their website out of context or being pedantic doesn't make your right. It just makes you a troll.

Uh...What?

I don't hate CUSA, I just think they're a bunch of liars. And I don't recall saying anything about my "particular view of the one true Amiga." To anyone. Ever.

How did I take the statement about "What we do" out of context anyway? Is it not what they do? Or claim to do?


Commodore USA, LLC is committed to selling "Beautiful, High-Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment".

Our mission is to produce "Beautiful, High-Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment".

Our mantra is to produce "Beautiful, High-Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment".

Our mission statement is to produce "Beautiful, High-Performance, Home Computers for Creativity and Entertainment".

All from CUSA's website.

I don't see where they mention that the C64x isn't really all that powerful.

[lsmart]

I vote this news item be deleted.

[..]

The Commodore USA Amiga won't contain AmigaOS so doesn't belong on this board.

The posting is in "other Operating systems (non-Amiga)". Your wording implies you wouldn´t want to read about AROS and MorphOS either. Perhaps you are well advised to just stick to the categories you prefer.

[lsmart]

I can assemble you (because that is what they do) a FASTER pc than the C64x, with a lot more memory, more powerful graphics card for less money which runs Ubuntu, AROS and Windows.

But can you fit it into a nice C64 replica with modern keyboard layout? I think they did a great job on the case!
Besides: have you tried the latest Ubuntu? They have a menu at the top, they have close gadgets on the left, they can lower windows instead of iconify. It is really beautiful clean and easy to understand. The only trouble is: It´s buggy as hell and still has the usual Linux-quirks.
If CommodoreOS improves the visual shell in a way that is less fragile than Unity (e.g. come up with a sensible, pre-configured AmiWM) this would be quite a feat.

[smerf]

Hi,

Why are some people getting their panties tied in a knot over CUSA.

I look at it this way, someone is finally bringing out a new machine for commodore users. If you want to buy it, then buy it. If you don't want to buy it, then stfu and don't buy it.

Me, myself and I -- don't want to buy it, why because I already have Ubuntu installed on my machine, I use Cloanto's Amiga Forever and C64 forever on a super fast machine and really enjoy it. When I am in the Amiga mode it works great, I don't have to worry about degrade, or memory shut off, or pal, or ntsc, or ocs, or aga etc. It just all works and runs way much faster than my Amiga 68040 4000, or my Amiga Blizzard PPC A1200.

I believe this is what we should of supported years ago and the way the Amiga community should of went.

Any idiot or fool could of seen that PPC was a dying spin off, that the units developing new software OS systems would take years (or decades) of trying to get it to work. Now I have some people trying to get me to buy a MAC (almost had me went to ebay and even bid on one) but now I am thinking why, just to try another unworkable OS that will never get any support from mainline gaming companies, just use the Amiga forever, and forget about all this nonsense. I belong to "I buy Power" in the PC world, and that is just the way I am. I have an Amiga, enjoy it, still buy hardware for it from Amigakit and enjoy seeing on how far I can take it. I still think it multi tasks better than a PC using windows, but I enjoy the multi tasking in Ubuntu. Right now the only reason I have Windows on my PC is to play games, all my major duties and tasks have gone to ubuntu.

smerf

[TheDaddy]

@Ismart

>>But can you fit it into a nice C64 replica with modern keyboard layout?

Yes, of course and a more ergonomic layout at that too.

>>I think they did a great job on the case!

I am not debating the case.

>> have you tried the latest Ubuntu? They have a menu at the top, they have close gadgets on the left, they can lower windows instead of iconify. It is really beautiful clean and easy to understand. The only trouble is: It´s buggy as hell and still has the usual Linux-quirks.


I have been using Ubuntu for a while and I can't stand it to be honest.

Just a name, that is all it is. There is no Commodore and no Amiga in it.

[runequester]

But can you fit it into a nice C64 replica with modern keyboard layout? I think they did a great job on the case!
Besides: have you tried the latest Ubuntu? They have a menu at the top, they have close gadgets on the left, they can lower windows instead of iconify. It is really beautiful clean and easy to understand. The only trouble is: It´s buggy as hell and still has the usual Linux-quirks.
If CommodoreOS improves the visual shell in a way that is less fragile than Unity (e.g. come up with a sensible, pre-configured AmiWM) this would be quite a feat.
People may say I am lying, but I am amongst those who'd be interested in a more fully featured amiga-like desktop environment.

But that takes more than 2 bedroom coders. Look at how much work and effort has gone into gnome, KDE, unity etc

[Hattig]

This thread wouldn't be always bumped up if you lot didn't keep on replying to it!

Anyway, improve the motherboard to an AMD Fusion and upgrade the case to not be one of the most ugly computers ever made (apart from the Dragon 32 and Atari 400) and maybe I'll be interested.

[Darrin]

Trolling. Simple Trolling. We all get it. You hate CUSA. It isn't your particular view of the one true Amiga. Even so, your trolls make you look ridiculous. You know they are working on higher end machines. You know that they are not claiming that the C64x is a powerhouse machine. Playing stupid and taking statements from their website out of context or being pedantic doesn't make your right. It just makes you a troll.

We're trolling?

This from the guy who was dancing around on the C-USA forums saying that he was hoping Hyperion would go bust so his uncle Barry could steal their assets and make OS4 for his Commodore computers?

It is obvious where your loyalities sit and where your personal ethics lie.

You really should use a different name on other boards when you want to sprout evil crap like that.

[persia]

Does it run Haiku?

[gizmo350]

People may say I am lying, but I am amongst those who'd be interested in a more fully featured amiga-like desktop environment.

But that takes more than 2 bedroom coders. Look at how much work and effort has gone into gnome, KDE, unity etc

+10K!

Look how long it has taken AROS under X86! You can't just whip out a native Amiga OS under X86 overnight! And C>USA wanted to (rip) include AROS on their machines FIRST! Good for AROS for turning them down. IMHO, C>USA would have bastardized the product for sure and claimed it as their own development :(.

[CritAnime]

Just found something interesting. On the CUSA forum thing there is a thread containing a quote from the main editor of OS News. Apparently praising Barry for getting the C64X out the door.

posted by Digitex (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5234-os-news-editor-warns-hp-a-dell)
Thom Holwerda, editor of OS News, commented today on our most recent shipping milestone, admits he couldn't do it, and even warns HP & Dell to "watch out". WOW!

In his words, quote:

"Well, I'm happy for mr Altman that he managed to ship these things.

I personally wouldn't have been able to go through all that effort to become an x86 OEM, but good on him for sticking to his guns! HP and Dell better watch out."

I thought this was odd considering that OS News came under legal attack, then later retracted, by CUSA. So I went looking for the thing he was referencing. Nothing on OS News so I did a google search and this is what came up.

Posted by Thom_Holwerda (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0)
Well, I'm happy for mr Altman that he managed to ship these things.

Of course, in order to get here, he needed to steal countless people's works; threaten me with legal action; create a cheesy website about me claiming I was gay, and insinuating that being gay was a bad thing; post fake pictures (I just learned from this thread); re-badge existing hardware; and re-badge Ubuntu.

I personally wouldn't have been able to go through all that effort to become an x86 OEM, but good on him for sticking to his guns! HP and Dell better watch out.

Did you notice what that something had been changed from the original to completely changing the underlying sarcastic meaning of the post ;)

A small thing I know but thought I would bring it up.

BTW the thread over on the CUSA forum is locked. So no replies can be made. How about that then :rolleyes:

Now to sit back and see the usual amount of "your a troll" responses roll in.

[gizmo350]

Just found something interesting. On the CUSA forum thing there is a thread containing a quote from the main editor of OS News. Apparently praising him for getting the C64X out the door.

posted by Digitex (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5234-os-news-editor-warns-hp-a-dell)


I thought this was odd considering that OS News came under legal attack, then later retracted, by CUSA. So I went looking for the thing he was referencing. Nothing on OS News so I did a google search and this is what came up.

Posted by Thom_Holwerda (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0)


Did you notice what that something had been changed from the original completely changing the underlying meaning of the post ;)

A small thing I know but though I would bring it up.

BTW the thread over on the CUSA forum is locked. So no replies can be made. How about that then :rolleyes:

Now to sit back and see the usual amount of "your a troll" responses roll in.

Yeah, in OS News' opinion, HP & Dell better watch out for C>USA's lies, deception and corrupt business practices.

In Altman's statement he is trying to convey that HP & Dell better watch out for the competition!

Did Altman train under Bill Clinton? :confused:

Excellent investigative reporting CritAnime!

http://www.truth-on-mlm.net/images/businessethics.jpg

[tone007]

Ha!

I'm sure the "HP and Dell better watch out" is sarcasm.

[CritAnime]

its amazing how one person can make a small alteration to a post on another site and completely alter the underlying meaning. I do think there is some bill clinton school of spin in play here. ;)

[spihunter]

Just found something interesting. On the CUSA forum thing there is a thread containing a quote from the main editor of OS News. Apparently praising him for getting the C64X out the door.

posted by Digitex (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5234-os-news-editor-warns-hp-a-dell)


I thought this was odd considering that OS News came under legal attack, then later retracted, by CUSA. So I went looking for the thing he was referencing. Nothing on OS News so I did a google search and this is what came up.

Posted by Thom_Holwerda (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0)


Did you notice what that something had been changed from the original to completely changing the underlying sarcastic meaning of the post ;)

A small thing I know but thought I would bring it up.

BTW the thread over on the CUSA forum is locked. So no replies can be made. How about that then :rolleyes:

Now to sit back and see the usual amount of "your a troll" responses roll in.


Wow! That's about as low as it gets right there. I can't believe that he altered the original post and then quoted it on his own forum. That's pretty scum of the earth action right there......
I promised to myself to stay out of these C-USA threads but this is just pure BS.

[Belial6]

Yes, the quote is certainly sarcasm. I don't don't think that using that quote really works in CUSA's favor. I also wouldn't take anything Thom says at face value. Anyone that would complain about someone rebadging Ubuntu is either too stupid to be part of the conversations, or trolling and playing dumb in an attempt troll their own readers.

It seems pretty clear that the two of them are in a pissing match. I would guess using the quote was used in that vein and at the end of the day they will both do themselves more harm than good playing at that game.

[Daedalus]

Yes, the quote is certainly sarcasm. I don't don't think that using that quote really works in CUSA's favor. I also wouldn't take anything Thom says at face value. Anyone that would complain about someone rebadging Ubuntu is either too stupid to be part of the conversations, or trolling and playing dumb in an attempt troll their own readers.

Eh, Thom doesn't have a problem with rebadging Ubuntu - he has even run articles on various distros based on Ubuntu. I think you should look more carefully at exactly what Thom has a problem with.

[CritAnime]

Yes, the quote is certainly sarcasm. I don't don't think that using that quote really works in CUSA's favor. I also wouldn't take anything Thom says at face value. Anyone that would complain about someone rebadging Ubuntu is either too stupid to be part of the conversations, or trolling and playing dumb in an attempt troll their own readers.

It seems pretty clear that the two of them are in a pissing match. I would guess using the quote was used in that vein and at the end of the day they will both do themselves more harm than good playing at that game.

:roflmao:

Oh your good. That made me chuckle.

[persia]

Yeah, considering Ubuntu started as a rebadging of Debian.....

Eh, Thom doesn't have a problem with rebadging Ubuntu - he has even run articles on various distros based on Ubuntu. I think you should look more carefully at exactly what Thom has a problem with.

[tone007]

I just received my C64x, and I think the color might be a little off!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/6771_161158058848_788618848_3424584_4293934_n.jpg

[CritAnime]

It's the special edition ;)

[TheDaddy]

It's the special edition ;)

I am not sure if you have been following this over at amigaworld.net but this might interest you:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0

Thom is the osnews.com editor.

[Belial6]

Thom listed the bad things he sees CUSA doing, and "rebadged Ubuntu" was on that list. Thus he was trolling. Because as has been stated and we all know and he certainly knows, Ubuntu was a rebadged product.

[adz]

I vote this news item be deleted.

Amiga.org » Amiga computer related discussion » Amiga News and Community Announcements » Announcements and Press Releases » CommodoreUSA Begins Shipment of C64x and VIC Slim

It clearly says Amiga computer related discussion and the Commodore USA Amiga won't contain AmigaOS so doesn't belong on this board.

-1

[Kesa]

Yeah, Barry's pretty dumb to do that. I think he was just trying to be sarcastic. Sarcasm is not one of his strengths. So what happened with the fake photos? What was Barrys and Dammys response to this?

[CritAnime]

You can see his response to that over at http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4554-re-cusa-customization-section-photos?limit=15&start=30&lang=en#4623 and look for Digitex.

[Thom Holwerda]

Thom listed the bad things he sees CUSA doing, and "rebadged Ubuntu" was on that list. Thus he was trolling. Because as has been stated and we all know and he certainly knows, Ubuntu was a rebadged product.

It must be nice to have such a simplistic view on the world :lol:

No, what I meant was: they're claiming this epic heritage, and by calling it CommodoreOS and using the Amiga name (in supposed future products, check their), they are clearly trying to confuse and trick people with the software - even though it's "just" Ubuntu, instead of some custom, super-efficient Amiga-like software.

Re-badging Ubuntu in and of itself isn't bad at all.

[Thom Holwerda]

It seems pretty clear that the two of them are in a pissing match.

Not really. The guy has just done some very nasty things about me, while I have done very little to retaliate. To take your analogy - he's trying to piss on me by sending legal threats and making derogatory websites about me, while I'm just enjoying the nice weather.

This would be a pissing contest if I had thrown all his nasty actions on OSNews' front page. I have not done so.

[Kesa]

It must be nice to have such a simplistic view on the world :lol:

No, what I meant was: they're claiming this epic heritage, and by calling it CommodoreOS and using the Amiga name (in supposed future products, check their), they are clearly trying to confuse and trick people with the software - even though it's "just" Ubuntu, instead of some custom, super-efficient Amiga-like software.

Re-badging Ubuntu in and of itself isn't bad at all.

Not really. The guy has just done some very nasty things about me, while I have done very little to retaliate. To take your analogy - he's trying to piss on me by sending legal threats and making derogatory websites about me, while I'm just enjoying the nice weather.

This would be a pissing contest if I had thrown all his nasty actions on OSNews' front page. I have not done so.

You joined this site just so you could tell us you don't care? It seems like a lot of trouble for someone who doesn't care. If you want my opinion you should put all of the nasty actions he has done against you on Amiga.org and everywhere else and let Barry be damned for what he really is. Sometimes people deserve what they get and i definitely think you should defend yourself better.

P.S. welcome to Amiga.org :)

[number6]

@thread


What with all the speculation about which companies produce some of the elements, I thought I'd include this from Barry on that topic:

several posts about manufacturers and an assembler (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5264-re-commodore-a-cybernet#5288)

#6

[Thom Holwerda]

You joined this site just so you could tell us you don't care?

No, I joined to clarify to that other guy I wasn't trolling - he just misunderstood me or I wasn't clear enough (or both). Just wanted to clear up the confusion :).

[spihunter]

Not really. The guy has just done some very nasty things about me, while I have done very little to retaliate. To take your analogy - he's trying to piss on me by sending legal threats and making derogatory websites about me, while I'm just enjoying the nice weather.

This would be a pissing contest if I had thrown all his nasty actions on OSNews' front page. I have not done so.

Thank you for not posting any of this on OSnews. It's already embarassing enough that these C-USA people feel the need to spam this forum with their crap.

[Kesa]

Am i the only one who finds the posts on their website suspicious? I mean, the amount of unconditional loyalty the members have to Barry and CUSA is simply amazing. Why would people give such loyalty to a company that has never released any products? They haven't released anything yet and members over there are already Apple like fanboys. What is Barry doing, just sitting there all day making posts from fictional members to keep his site going? :confused:

[Kesa]

No, I joined to clarify to that other guy I wasn't trolling - he just misunderstood me or I wasn't clear enough (or both). Just wanted to clear up the confusion :).

I don't think you are going to get far with that. He's a bit of a prat so i wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

[spihunter]

Am i the only one who finds the posts on their website suspicious? I mean, the amount of unconditional loyalty the members have to Barry and CUSA is simply amazing. Why would people give such loyalty to a company that has never released any products? They haven't released anything yet and members over there are already Apple like fanboys. What is Barry doing, just sitting there all day making posts from fictional members to keep his site going? :confused:


It wouldn't surprise me. I've read that they delete anyone that asks any real questions over there anyway.

[mongo]

@thread


What with all the speculation about which companies produce some of the elements, I thought I'd include this from Barry on that topic:

several posts about manufacturers and an assembler (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5264-re-commodore-a-cybernet#5288)

#6

Seewor is the manufacturer of the VIC-Slim. It was mentioned on their web site, including a link to CUSA's site. This was removed, along with the pricing of the KPC210 (VIC-Slim without the Commodore sicker) shortly after I posted the pricing here. I'd imagine this was done at Barry's request, since it's not good for business if your customers find out they can buy the exact same thing for half the price and get it shipped faster.

[number6]

Seewor is the manufacturer of the VIC-Slim. It was mentioned on their web site, including a link to CUSA's site. This was removed, along with the pricing of the KPC210 (VIC-Slim without the Commodore sicker) shortly after I posted the pricing here. I'd imagine this was done at Barry's request, since it's not good for business if your customers find out they can buy the exact same thing for half the price and get it shipped faster.


You might follow this more closely than I. I had not heard the names Cybernet, Foxconn, or Great Wall mentioned prior.

#6

[eliyahu]

You might follow this more closely than I. I had not heard the names Cybernet, Foxconn, or Great Wall mentioned prior. cybernet is the OEM of their 'VIC-pro' which was previously known as the 'phoenix.' foxconn and greatwall are the subcontractors used to produce components for their 'VIC-slim.' the VIC-slim is outsourced to seeworth which handles everything nicely for CUSA. both products are direct from china, commodore sticker included.

consumers can purchase the exact same system from seeworth individually or in bulk for significantly less than CUSA offers it, even when customs fees are included.

-- eliyahu

[Daedalus]

It wouldn't surprise me. I've read that they delete anyone that asks any real questions over there anyway.

Yep, it seems a lot of threads get locked and go missing over there alright. I guess if you filter any forum to only include posts you like, the result will be pretty one-sided, as Kesa has pointed out... It has to look suspicious to outsiders with a bit of common sense as well though - that many fanboys and supporters of a product that has yet to be seen in the wild? It doesn't add up... I can understand people getting excited about a new movie coming out, even the new iPhone and all that, but a Linux box? Nice case and all that, but it's hardly the second coming.

[number6]

that many fanboys and supporters of a product that has yet to be seen in the wild?


Some were shipped Friday, according to the OP.
What is normal UPS time for delivery these days?
Despite what is said about censorship, I've seen posts asking if anyone received a tracking #.

#6

[Tension]

And I don't recall saying anything about my "particular view of the one true Amiga."


you spelt 'teh' wrong.

[eliyahu]

Some were shipped Friday, according to the OP.
What is normal UPS time for delivery these days?
Despite what is said about censorship, I've seen posts asking if anyone received a tracking #.

#6

yes. and so far, in the thread (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=15#5270) to which you refer, no one has posted that they have received a tracking number so far. i do not doubt that the systems have shipped, though. i'm just curious to see the first 'reviews' on the interwebs.

-- eliyahu

[number6]

yes. and so far, in the thread (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=15#5270) to which you refer, no one has posted that they have received a tracking number so far. i do not doubt that the systems have shipped, though. i'm just curious to see the first 'reviews' on the interwebs.

-- eliyahu


Oddly the smaller companies we discuss here issue tracking numbers well before 3 or 4 days have lapsed.
I really think this speaks to infrastructure, but I could be wrong.

#6

[CritAnime]

I am curious about something as I honestly have no idea how this works. It's just a bit of personal interest and learning. So it maybe a little OT but we shall see how it goes.

I understand that order numbers happen in a sequential way but how does cancelled, say at the very last minuet, orders effect this? Are they put back into the pool of numbers, as such, or do they just appear on a list somewhere as failed order and that's it? Also how does the PayPal checkout effect the order if you cancel at the point of payment or the payment method is refused?

I know this sounds daft but it's just something I have never been clear on and it would be interesting to find out. I also figured someone on here might know :)

[commodorejohn]

Congratulations! After only well over a year of ballyhooing, thread-spamming, and abuse of anybody who questions their approach, CUSA has finally (allegedly) shipped...an overpriced mid-range PC in a novelty case!

I tell you, I'm really awaiting that skinned Ubuntu distro with bated breath now!

[CritAnime]

Oh?

[Darrin]

Congratulations! After only well over a year of ballyhooing, thread-spamming, and abuse of anybody who questions their approach, CUSA has finally (allegedly) shipped...an overpriced mid-range PC in a novelty case!

I tell you, I'm really awaiting that skinned Ubuntu distro with bated breath now!

The following post has just appeared on C-USA.con:

Commodorejohn says: "Congratulations! CUSA has shipped a PC in a novel case!

I tell you, I'm really waiting with bated breath.

;)

[AmigaHeretic]

Congratulations! After only well over a year of ballyhooing, thread-spamming, and abuse of anybody who questions their approach, CUSA has finally (allegedly) shipped...an overpriced mid-range PC in a novelty case!

I tell you, I'm really awaiting that skinned Ubuntu distro with bated breath now!



The following post has just appeared on C-USA.con:


Commodorejohn says: "Congratulations! CUSA has shipped a PC in a novel case!

I tell you, I'm really waiting with bated breath.




;)



Nice! :laughing:

[tone007]

The following post has just appeared on C-USA.con:


Ha, Freudian slip or intentional?

[Tension]

The following post has just appeared on C-USA.con:

Quote: Originally Posted by commodorejohn
Congratulations! After only well over a year of ballyhooing, thread-spamming, and abuse of anybody who questions their approach, CUSA has finally (allegedly) shipped...an overpriced mid-range PC in a novelty case!

I tell you, I'm really awaiting that skinned Ubuntu distro with bated breath now!

The following post has just appeared on C-USA.con:

Quote: Commodorejohn says: "Congratulations! CUSA has shipped a PC in a novel case!

I tell you, I'm really waiting with bated breath.



;)

I cant believe the depths to which these ****s will sink. Paraphrasing like that and deliberately taking quotes out of context to twist them round is a dirty tactic. What respectable company would want to do business with these scumbags?

Apart from that, I am speechless.

(Zips up flame-proof jacket)

[jorkany]

Just wanted to point out that Google has a new image matching search - just go to the normal Google images home page and click the little camera icon in the criteria entry textbox. It works a bit iffy now, but throwing in a search term along with an image dramatically improves the results. Try it out with the reversed CUSA factory images and see for yourself.


@number6,
"What is normal UPS time for delivery these days?"

In-state just a couple of days, most of my out of state deliveries take from 4 days to a ~week. Shipping numbers however are available very quickly, they would certainly be available for the first shipments now.

[Belial6]

Not really. The guy has just done some very nasty things about me, while I have done very little to retaliate. To take your analogy - he's trying to piss on me by sending legal threats and making derogatory websites about me, while I'm just enjoying the nice weather.

This would be a pissing contest if I had thrown all his nasty actions on OSNews' front page. I have not done so.

Thom, you were quoted as saying that Dell and HP better watch out for C-USA. There are three possible meaning I could take from that:

1) It is a complete fabrication, and you never said it. So Barry is lying and you really are just enjoying the weather.

2) You said it an meant it in all sincerity. Based on your posts here, it doesn't seem likely, and it seem pretty unethical that you would allow people to think that Berry used the quote out of context.

or

3) You were being sarcastic and taking a jab at him. Given your and Barry's history as well as the fact that you made derogatory list about him, this seems like the most likely scenario. If that is the case, then, yes. You are in a pissing match with him. You are intentionally trying to antagonize him, and you are pretending to be the victim. Simply put you are trolling.

So, please. Enlighten me. Which of the above is the case, or is there some other answer than "I didn't say it.", "I said it and was sincere.", or "I said it and was insincere."

[commodorejohn]

I cant believe the depths to which these ****s will sink. Paraphrasing like that and deliberately taking quotes out of context to twist them round is a dirty tactic. What respectable company would want to do business with these scumbags?
Uh, that was a joke on Darrin's part. Not that it's particularily implausible, but neither my original post nor an edited form is on commodoreusa.net's feedback section.

[Belial6]

Oddly the smaller companies we discuss here issue tracking numbers well before 3 or 4 days have lapsed.
I really think this speaks to infrastructure, but I could be wrong.

#6

Yes, the lack of anyone having received tracking numbers speak badly, I am the one that suggested that people not congratulate CUSA on shipping until UPS confirms that they have the shipments. I am also the one that followed up asking if anyone has received a tracking number. My posts have not been deleted, nor have they been locked.

It should not surprise anyone when they behave like animals here, and they are removed from a site that has a stated goal of supporting a company. The claims of "innocent questions" don't ring true. The CUSA forums have some hard questions. It also has criticisms of CUSA's choices. That speaks to the fact that CUSA is not deleting every negative post, but are deleting trolls and their posts.

To be clear though, from my point of view, no units have shipped until UPS or the end customer verifies it. I see too many companies that claim to have shipped to get an extra week, and by the time the shipment is "late", they have gotten the real shipment out.

[Tension]

The following post has just appeared on C-USA.con:



;)

Uh, that was a joke on Darrin's part. Not that it's particularily implausible, but neither my original post nor an edited form is on commodoreusa.net's feedback section.

Doesn't sound implausible in the slightest... Not after the whole:

Thom Holwerda, editor of OS News, commented today on our most recent shipping milestone, admits he couldn't do it, and even warns HP & Dell to "watch out". WOW!

In his words, quote:

"Well, I'm happy for mr Altman that he managed to ship these things.

I personally wouldn't have been able to go through all that effort to become an x86 OEM, but good on him for sticking to his guns! HP and Dell better watch out."

[Thom Holwerda]

So, please. Enlighten me.

What, I don't have the right to be a little sarcastic about the guy after the stunts he pulled on me? The lengths to which some will go to defend this guy :s.

[TheDaddy]

What, I don't have the right to be a little sarcastic about the guy after the stunts he pulled on me? The lengths to which some will go to defend this guy :s.


You haven't seen nothing yet! :)

[commodorejohn]

What, I don't have the right to be a little sarcastic about the guy after the stunts he pulled on me? The lengths to which some will go to defend this guy :s.
Oh, you shoulda been here for the last year or so...it's been quite astonishing.

[Belial6]

What, I don't have the right to be a little sarcastic about the guy after the stunts he pulled on me? The lengths to which some will go to defend this guy :s.

You certainly do. But when you do, and post it in a venue like OSNews, you are officially in a pissing match with him. When you claim that you are not, you lose credibility. If you are in a pissing match with him, just fess up and admit that you are going to be making jabs because you are annoyed with him.

I'm not going to claim that Barry is pristine in this, but neither are you, and you are certainly not "just enjoying the weather".

[Thom Holwerda]

You certainly do. But when you do, and post it in a venue like OSNews, you are officially in a pissing match with him.

Uhm... You didn't read any of my posts, did you? You do realise I've been pretty clear in that I have NOT posted anything about this on OSNews, right? Not about the derogatory, anti-gay website, nothing about the fake photographs, nothing about the childish paraphrasing of my comments, nothing about the childish manner in which the "apology" (it really wasn't one) came to be - nothing.

If you honestly believe that my "actions" (or lack thereof, actually) are akin to the kind of abuse he's been giving me, then I think you need to have your peepers checked.

[TheDaddy]

@Thom

Leave it.

Belial6 is a CUSA follower-fan-registered CUSA forum user-cult member. You are wasting your time :)

[Belial6]

Uhm... You didn't read any of my posts, did you? You do realise I've been pretty clear in that I have NOT posted anything about this on OSNews, right? Not about the derogatory, anti-gay website, nothing about the fake photographs, nothing about the childish paraphrasing of my comments, nothing about the childish manner in which the "apology" (it really wasn't one) came to be - nothing.

If you honestly believe that my "actions" (or lack thereof, actually) are akin to the kind of abuse he's been giving me, then I think you need to have your peepers checked.

I don't know what kind of abuse he has given you. According to you, you have kept it secret. What I do know is that it doesn't take much Googling to find you making derogatory remarks about CUSA and Barry specifically on OSNews. You call his company a Hoax. You make snide remarks about him, and accuse him of being a crook.

You then follow that up by claiming that you haven't done anything to him and you are a poor victim getting pissed on while you mind your own business. That is a lie. You and Barry are in a pissing match, and pointing at him and saying "he is worse" does not excuse your behavior.

You are the editor of what I think is is fair to say is a very popular news site. When you are the editor of a news site you have a MUCH greater responsibility to tell the truth. You have failed at that.

If you don't like Barry's behavior, the proper thing to do is simply lay out the truth. Your approach apparently is to hide what you claim to be the truth, and instead make unfounded accusations and snide remarks. And yes. You have done it on OSNews. Listing the things you didn't say doesn't take away the things you did.

[Thom Holwerda]

@Thom

Leave it.

Belial6 is a CUSA follower-fan-registered CUSA forum user-cult member. You are wasting your time :)

Thanks dude, that just saved me some time :). It's pretty clear, too, you're right. Just read his above post!

Are we sure this guy isn't actually Barry himself? :P

[TheDaddy]

Thanks dude, that just saved me some time :). It's pretty clear, too, you're right. Just read his above post!

Are we sure this guy isn't actually Barry himself? :P


Not sure. It could be, apparently he takes many forms and he howls to a full moon so I'll let you decide... :)

[spihunter]

Thanks dude, that just saved me some time :). It's pretty clear, too, you're right. Just read his above post!

Are we sure this guy isn't actually Barry himself? :P

I've been wondering that myself. The best thing you could probably do is just never mention these guys on OSnews ever again. It's like they are trying to prevoke you to get free advertising....

[Darrin]

Ha, Freudian slip or intentional?

Intentional as it was a joke on the way they manipulated the comments of the chap who runs OSNews to make it look like he was a fan of them. :)

(Sorry if it misled anyone, but it was satire based on their recent unethical actions as brought to light on Amigaworld.net)

[Duce]

With all due respect, Thom. And I say that as a longtime follower of OS News.

Why take the abuse? Why not make a personal blog post explaining the entire *******ed situation with them from head to toe (not on OSNews, I am sure you have a private blog)? If what you say is true, you're being harassed - go to *******ed bat, have some journalistic integrity and call them out. Let them send as many imaginary lawyers after you as they wish, just state the truth. Tell them the same thing I told their minions: "**** you, tough guy".

Man, for ages these clowns have been doing the same *******ed thing to anyone that "resists their force". Threats, slander, insults, etc. Screw that, man. What they are doing is ****ty business practice and in some cases, outright childish bullying, and you are far from the first to be treated this way. Your site is "respectable press", don't take bull**** from these people. Did they do this to Lance Ulanoff @ PC Mag when he wasn't too keen on their ideas? Of course not, they figure OSNews is a pissant site. It's not.

Please post your account of the situation (not here however, though, lol - we already have enough tinfoil hat wearers) on a site. Their antics have been ignored and often even condoned for far too long.

What's next, someone doesn't give them the press they figure they deserve and they post pics of a guys wife and kids with home address? Jesus Christ.

[Darrin]

I've been wondering that myself. The best thing you could probably do is just never mention these guys on OSnews ever again. It's like they are trying to prevoke you to get free advertising....

I don't believe he is (Belial6). He's a long-term Minimig user and has always been a very nice chap when posting on Minimig.net.

His blind love for Barry and the way he makes excuses for all the crap C-USA does is a complete mystery to me. It is like he's 2 different people.

[TheDaddy]

With all due respect, Thom. And I say that as a longtime follower of OS News.

Why take the abuse? Why not make a personal blog post explaining the entire *******ed situation with them from head to toe (not on OSNews, I am sure you have a private blog)? If what you say is true, you're being harassed - go to *******ed bat, have some journalistic integrity and call them out. Let them send as many imaginary lawyers after you as they wish, just state the truth. Tell them the same thing I told their minions: "**** you, tough guy".

Man, for ages these clowns have been doing the same *******ed thing to anyone that "resists their force". Threats, slander, insults, etc. Screw that, man. What they are doing is ****ty business practice and in some cases, outright childish bullying, and you are far from the first to be treated this way. Your site is "respectable press", don't take bull**** from these people. Did they do this to Lance Ulanoff @ PC Mag when he wasn't too keen on their ideas? Of course not, they figure OSNews is a pissant site. It's not.

Please post your account of the situation (not here however, though, lol - we already have enough tinfoil hat wearers) on a site. Their antics have been ignored and often even condoned for far too long.


WOW! I like that! :)

[Thom Holwerda]

Why take the abuse? Why not make a personal blog post explaining the entire *******ed situation with them from head to toe (not on OSNews, I am sure you have a private blog)?

I have an unused blog somewhere, but I haven't used it in ages.

Anywho, I'm not really sure what it would accomplish. Making a few forum posts is easy and takes little time - writing out everything in a blog post would take considerable time, and that's more than I'm willing to put into it. I basically run two companies myself you know :).

Anybody else is free to write a proper blog post about this, and I'll be glad to help - but that's it.

[Belial6]

Thanks dude, that just saved me some time :). It's pretty clear, too, you're right. Just read his above post!

Are we sure this guy isn't actually Barry himself? :P

Really? Really? Your behavior towards me doesn't help your credibility at all. You are seriously accusing me of being the guy that you hate? Why because I call you out on your lying and trolling? Sir, you have no integrity. Does this mean you are going to start making snarky rude comments about me on OSNews too? Are you then going to whine that I am abusing you too?

[Thom Holwerda]

Really? Really? Your behavior towards me doesn't help your credibility at all. You are seriously accusing me of being the guy that you hate? Why because I call you out on your lying and trolling? Sir, you have no integrity. Does this mean you are going to start making snarky rude comments about me on OSNews too? Are you then going to whine that I am abusing you too?

I guess you glossed over the tongue-in-cheeck indicator, also called a smiley. Relax!

[Nostalgiac]

unrelated (I think) to all above posts: I met up with an old friend of mine in Belgium who was showing off a brand new old fashioned 'sports' bag labelled 'Commodore 64' - he refused to say where he got it but admitted it was indeed new and related to the new 64 release :D

Tom UK

ps: didn't have a cam/phone on me sadly

[jorkany]

unrelated (I think) to all above posts: I met up with an old friend of mine in Belgium who was showing off a brand new old fashioned 'sports' bag labelled 'Commodore 64' - he refused to say where he got it but admitted it was indeed new and related to the new 64 release :D

Tom UK

ps: didn't have a cam/phone on me sadly

Did it look something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Commodore-64-Shoulder-Bag-PVC/dp/B004U695JW
?

[Duce]

I apologize for my somewhat brash post in your direction, Thom. But after seeing this runaway gongshow - bully, harass and belittle people for MONTHS here and elsewhere, all the while demanding people kiss their collective asses and call it ice cream, enough - lol. This isn't about their products. I do wish them the best, I hope their products review well. It's about their scumbag business tactics and their treatment of people. That has ALWAYS been the issue that people seen as their "detractors" have had, nothing more nothing less.

It's simply wrong, and I wish someone with a more public voice such as yourself would bring it to light. People with said voices should bring such things to light, I feel - it's the power of the press, and the strength of the Internet itself.

Like I said, what's next in regards to what they will do to anyone that speaks out? Personal info posted, rumors started, etc? Seems that's already been done.

Don't you find it patronizing, Thom - that they would slander you (again, assuming your claims are accurate) in the fashion they have, but they aren't doing the same to the larger press people like Ulanoff @ PC Mag that also went "meh" about their offerings? You aren't small fry, press wise. Your site (s) are well respected, a service to the community, and you seem to be a well spoken intelligent fellow and it grinds me to see people get bullied and **** talked, heh.

[psxphill]

Did it look something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Commodore-64-Shoulder-Bag-PVC/dp/B004U695JW
?

I guess this means we have to hate amazon now?

[XDelusion]

Where is Franko?!?!??!

-10

[Thom Holwerda]

Don't you find it patronizing, Thom - that they would slander you (again, assuming your claims are accurate) in the fashion they have, but they aren't doing the same to the larger press people like Ulanoff @ PC Mag that also went "meh" about their offerings? You aren't small fry, press wise. Your site (s) are well respected, a service to the community, and you seem to be a well spoken intelligent fellow and it grinds me to see people get bullied and **** talked, heh.

It is the way it is. A post from me on some personal blog of mine nobody reads isn't going to change a damn thing. I'm obviously not going to use OSNews for something as idiotic as this, since that seems to be exactly what Barry wants me to do (all evidence points to it). Barry making a website calling me gay was probably a major provocation in his eyes, but he didn't take into account that since I'm Dutch and quite civilised, being gay or not means #$%-all to me :roflmao:.

All in all, he just looks like a rather petty little man - which is sad, since there is definite potential in making beautiful, elegant and modern variants of the C64. Especially if they were open, with a choice of operating systems (Linux, Windows, AROS, AmigaForever, etc.). He could've garnered an immense amount of goodwill among not only the Amiga crowd, but also the OSNews crowd, and more importantly, beyond those niches.

It could've been pretty good. Sadly, he blew it - big time.

[Kesa]

Thom, you were quoted as saying that Dell and HP better watch out for C-USA. There are three possible meaning I could take from that:

1) It is a complete fabrication, and you never said it. So Barry is lying and you really are just enjoying the weather.

2) You said it an meant it in all sincerity. Based on your posts here, it doesn't seem likely, and it seem pretty unethical that you would allow people to think that Berry used the quote out of context.

or

3) You were being sarcastic and taking a jab at him. Given your and Barry's history as well as the fact that you made derogatory list about him, this seems like the most likely scenario. If that is the case, then, yes. You are in a pissing match with him. You are intentionally trying to antagonize him, and you are pretending to be the victim. Simply put you are trolling.

So, please. Enlighten me. Which of the above is the case, or is there some other answer than "I didn't say it.", "I said it and was sincere.", or "I said it and was insincere."

So lets get this straight. If someone defends themselves they are trolling?

[Duce]

Fair enough, Thom. My apologies for what must seem like venting at you, heh.

Enough is enough with their clown show. I've never seen a more unprofessional group of people in my entire life, and I am honestly staggered that they have not been asked to leave a lot of forums due to the abuse they hurl - and I am extremely anti censorship.

[eliyahu]

Fair enough, Thom. My apologies for what must seem like venting at you, heh.

Enough is enough with their clown show. I've never seen a more unprofessional group of people in my entire life, and I am honestly staggered that they have not been asked to leave a lot of forums due to the abuse they hurl - and I am extremely anti censorship.
i don't think they've been asked to leave, but if you'll notice, they don't really post around here or on AWN anymore. they have a nice little community (http://commodore-amiga.org) they can control, and they're happy there. especially because they can occasionally spew venom at people without getting in trouble.

instead these threads get started -- almost exclusively -- by dammy who, judging from his antics on moo, is primarily doing it to wind people up rather than share 'news.' the best thing is to ignore these damn people and get back to our hobby.

-- eliyahu

[CritAnime]

Does this mean you are going to start making snarky rude comments about me on OSNews too? Are you then going to whine that I am abusing you too?

Oh grow up will you. Your starting to take this too far now and your behaviour on this site is getting just as shocking as Barry's own comments over on c-a.org. You call people trolls over the most pathetic of things and for defending themselves. If anything your becoming the most vile of trolls I have ever seen. How about you take your bat and ball over to c-a.org and stay there. Then you can spew as much bile as you want in the commfort of familiar surroundings with people that share your views.

P.S
I guess this means we have to hate amazon now?

while we are at it we might aswell hate Wikipedia too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64x (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64x) :(

Though I do find that bag on amazon kind of funky.

P.P.S
Completely unrelated to the thread but my Amiga 600's floppy drive has died a death. After lots of TLC to keep it going it coughed it's last breath. :cry:

[TheGoose]

Where is Franko?!?!??!

-10

I tried to fight them off yesterday, but they were too much for me. The posts came over the wall! I tried to making arbitrary posts in other threads to bury this one off the front page. It failed. :(

But there may be a new hope; I have a browser / macro script recorder I may unleash on poor amiga.org and see how the old database likes that...

Ho!

[Belial6]

So lets get this straight. If someone defends themselves they are trolling?

No, getting into a pissing match, and then playing victim and claiming that you didn't do anything is being a troll. Playing dumb as he is doing by claiming that he was joking when he agreed with the insult of me, by saying that putting a smiley face in his post to TheDaddy is trolling. Thom has been on the internet plenty long enough to know what he is doing. He is not some ignorant newbie that doesn't realize it when he is trolling.

[commodorejohn]

No, getting into a pissing match, and then playing victim and claiming that you didn't do anything is being a troll.
So what category does getting all loudly butthurt because someone badmouthed the creator of a product you've sworn fealty to fall into?

[eliyahu]

So what category does getting all loudly butthurt because someone badmouthed the creator of a product you've sworn fealty to fall into?
aw, snap! :roflmao:

-- eliyahu

[CritAnime]

Belial6 is quickly starting to sound like a corrupted MP3. Constantly circling the same arguments and spouting troll when all else fails. Maybe he should just walk away from this and just chill out. I am actually kind of supprised this has not been relegated to the sock draw by now.

[Darrin]

No, getting into a pissing match, and then playing victim and claiming that you didn't do anything is being a troll. Playing dumb as he is doing by claiming that he was joking when he agreed with the insult of me, by saying that putting a smiley face in his post to TheDaddy is trolling. Thom has been on the internet plenty long enough to know what he is doing. He is not some ignorant newbie that doesn't realize it when he is trolling.

Judas sold his soul for 30 pieces of silver. You seemed to have sold yours for a C64x.

[hishamk]

Can't help but think of an overweight Lebanese-Mexican billionaire when the name VIC Slim comes up....Carlos Slim? :)

[psxphill]

Belial6 is quickly starting to sound like a corrupted MP3. Constantly circling the same arguments and spouting troll when all else fails. Maybe he should just walk away from this and just chill out. I am actually kind of supprised this has not been relegated to the sock draw by now.

You're all as bad as each other, if everyone didn't relentlesly slag off CUSA then the thread wouldn't be on the front page. Nobody would be arguing and you wouldn't all look like dicks.

[CritAnime]

You're all as bad as each other, if everyone didn't relentlesly slag off CUSA then the thread wouldn't be on the front page. Nobody would be arguing and you wouldn't all look like dicks.

No no. There is a difference between us. I don't go around calling everyone a troll like I am stuck on a loop. I also honestly don't really give a damned about CUSA. I just like winding others up. :)

However it does annoy me when you have people, who obviously just can't let something go, start on the personal attacks. That is just taking things a step too far.

[jorkany]

So couple of questions...

Does anyone here really believe that CUSA is faking the C64x?

And, has anyone here ordered a C64x?

[dammy]

I just like winding others up. :)

Well, at least you admit you are a troll.

[commodorejohn]

Does anyone here really believe that CUSA is faking the C64x?
Well, I'm not going to class it as "not vaporware" until I see some actual reports of people receiving it, but I've never had serious doubts that it's a real product. My objection is not on its reality, it's on the fact that it A. is not a C64, however fancy the C64 drag it's in, and it's therefore disingenous to call it one, to say nothing of the way its parent company has been poncing around touting themselves as the True Future of Commodore, and B. isn't even a good deal on a PC - you can get far better hardware for $600-1000, or similarily-powered hardware for much cheaper, if you're really wanting a nice keyboard you can get one separately for $80, if you want a PC in a C64 case you can do it well cheaper than the $250 you're dropping on CUSA's case, and if you're really willing to drop $600 on something for no other consideration than brand name? Congratulations, you're a model citizen of corporate America.

[Rogee]

isn't even a good deal on a PC - you can get far better hardware for $600-1000, or similarily-powered hardware for much cheaper, if you're really wanting a nice keyboard you can get one separately for $80, if you want a PC in a C64 case you can do it well cheaper than the $250 you're dropping on CUSA's case, and if you're really willing to drop $600 on something for no other consideration than brand name? Congratulations, you're a model citizen of corporate America.

Seriously, who cares if you can get a better PC for less? That's clearly not why people are buying it. They want the case, and they don't want to build one themselves. I know I wouldn't want to.

It's a novelty, and they are the only company offering such a thing. That's why it is priced higher than vanilla PCs. $600 really isn't that much money.

I'll be the first to agree that CUSA's business practices are sketchy, but complaining about the price and specs is pointless and getting old.

[commodorejohn]

If they're going to sell commodity PC hardware, I'm damn well going to compare apples to apples, and the C64x falls far short when so doing. If people think they're really recapturing anything that made the C64 special, they're letting themselves be deluded by marketing blurbage.

And $600 isn't chump change, either, especially considering that's only the base model, with no CD/DVD and 160GB HD - it only moderately exceeds my three-year-old $350 laptop. Considering that the models with specs that approach modern standards are $700-900, it's an even poorer deal.

(Complaining about price and specs may be getting old, but if people would quit trying to claim that "there, it's a real thing, all your arguments are now invalid," I wouldn't have to keep repeating it.)

[amiga92570]

Judas sold his soul for 30 pieces of silver. You seemed to have sold yours for a C64x.

That is your lamest comment yet. I guess there are no bounds to your stupidity.

[Darrin]

That is your lamest comment yet. I guess there are no bounds to your stupidity.

I think you'll find that you're the stupid one. Yawn.

[Hattig]

Still arguing? Sheesh! Ignore the topic and it'll slide off the page. Keep on posting and it'll never go away. And we all know what they say about people who argue on the internet...

[Darrin]

And we all know what they say about people who argue on the internet...

That they do it to have a break

[koaftder]

Barry making a website calling me gay was probably a major provocation in his eyes, but he didn't take into account that since I'm Dutch and quite civilised, being gay or not means #$%-all to me :roflmao:.
.
Apparently it does.

How many times are you going to bring up the gay joke on various sites? It looks like it got your goat. Maybe theres a little truth in it after all (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Are you sure Barry pulled that little stunt?

[commodorejohn]

Apparently it does.

How many times are you going to bring up the gay joke on various sites? It looks like it got your goat. Maybe theres a little truth in it after all (not that there's anything wrong with that).
'Cause, y'know, it couldn't be that it's just a stunningly douchey thing for the CEO of an alleged Major Up And Comer to be doing, or anything. Nope, nosir!

[koaftder]

'Cause, y'know, it couldn't be that it's just a stunningly douchey thing for the CEO of an alleged Major Up And Comer to be doing, or anything. Nope, nosir!

No, we really don't know and I don't see the need to make stuff up either. Thom Holwerda's account of the event has gone from, "I don't know who did that", to "It could have been Barry" to "Barry is an #@%@^".

[persia]

Yeah, let's leave the personal stuff out of this. What Barry and Moochie do in their spare time is purely between them and not a topic of discussion for this site.

[Thom Holwerda]

Apparently it does.

How many times are you going to bring up the gay joke on various sites? It looks like it got your goat. Maybe theres a little truth in it after all (not that there's anything wrong with that).

You obviously didn't read very carefully. What bothered me about the gay thing is not that he called me gay - but that he then proceeded to slurs against the gay community. THAT is what DID bother me. I made that quite clear in these posts, but alas, you might have missed it.

And *of course* I'm going to bring it up in this thread, alongside the stealing of images, fake photos, and the legal threat, because it illustrates what kind of guy Barry is. This behaviour - unlike some of his advocates make it out to be - is not normal. It's not acceptable. If anybody in my employment ever did even ONE of these things, I would fire him on the spot.

[psxphill]

If people think they're really recapturing anything that made the C64 special, they're letting themselves be deluded by marketing blurbage.

The only way to recapture the past is delusion, some people will pay alot of money for that.

Same as they'll pay a premium for apple hardware. iPad is overpriced too.

[commodorejohn]

The only way to recapture the past is delusion, some people will pay alot of money for that.

Same as they'll pay a premium for apple hardware. iPad is overpriced too.
True that, but to my knowledge Steve Jobs doesn't spend his time personally harassing people who criticize his company's products.

(He spends it swimming in a giant pile of money like Scrooge McDuck. I'm 99% sure on this.)

[CritAnime]

The only way to recapture the past is delusion, some people will pay alot of money for that.


Along with playing on peoples nostalgia.

However.

Actually bringing this thread back onto topic slightly, I know it's shocking lol, but it would seem that people are starting to show signs of concern about their deliveries on c-a.org. Still no sign of any kind of dispatch confirmation from the boys at CUSA.

edit===
@commodorejohn

True that, but to my knowledge Steve Jobs doesn't spend his time personally harassing people who criticize his company's products.

(He spends it swimming in a giant pile of money like Scrooge McDuck. I'm 99% sure on this.)

Lol I now have visions of him in a money pit.

[Darrin]

True that, but to my knowledge Steve Jobs doesn't spend his time personally harassing people who criticize his company's products.

(He spends it swimming in a giant pile of money like Scrooge McDuck. I'm 99% sure on this.)

If we really want to criticize Bazza's actual "products" then we need to complain about how lumpy his sofas are, how uncomfortable his recliners are and how wobbly his coffee-tables are.

[Belial6]

You obviously didn't read very carefully. What bothered me about the gay thing is not that he called me gay - but that he then proceeded to slurs against the gay community. THAT is what DID bother me. I made that quite clear in these posts, but alas, you might have missed it.

And *of course* I'm going to bring it up in this thread, alongside the stealing of images, fake photos, and the legal threat, because it illustrates what kind of guy Barry is. This behaviour - unlike some of his advocates make it out to be - is not normal. It's not acceptable. If anybody in my employment ever did even ONE of these things, I would fire him on the spot.

We can expect the same kind of attitude from you towards your supporters here who also make gay jokes about people and the anti-gay sentiment it carries. Right?

It is also telling how you were called on the change from "I don't know who did it." to making repeated accusations. The more you talk, the lower your credibility goes.

[CritAnime]

We can expect the same kind of attitude from you towards your supporters here who also make gay jokes about people and the anti-gay sentiment it carries. Right?


Who has been using gay jokes?

[Thom Holwerda]

It is also telling how you were called on the change from "I don't know who did it." to making repeated accusations. The more you talk, the lower your credibility goes.

Except, I never said "I don't know who did it." :)

[_ThEcRoW]

damn!, i ran out of popcorn. Gotta get some more...

[JJ]

Thom, you were quoted as saying that Dell and HP better watch out for C-USA. There are three possible meaning I could take from that:

1) It is a complete fabrication, and you never said it. So Barry is lying and you really are just enjoying the weather.

2) You said it an meant it in all sincerity. Based on your posts here, it doesn't seem likely, and it seem pretty unethical that you would allow people to think that Berry used the quote out of context.

or

3) You were being sarcastic and taking a jab at him. Given your and Barry's history as well as the fact that you made derogatory list about him, this seems like the most likely scenario. If that is the case, then, yes. You are in a pissing match with him. You are intentionally trying to antagonize him, and you are pretending to be the victim. Simply put you are trolling.

So, please. Enlighten me. Which of the above is the case, or is there some other answer than "I didn't say it.", "I said it and was sincere.", or "I said it and was insincere."


Dude do everyone a favour and **** off

[JJ]

Where is Franko?!?!??!

-10


He has left thank god. Franko is much more of a prick than anyone connected to CUSA ever

[Franko]

He has left thank god. JJ is much more of a prick than anyone connected to CUSA ever

:roflmao:

[JJ]

No idea what you said.

But this is the worst job at leaving ever. You keep still posting.

Please stay left the site is so much nicer again now.

I shouldnt have to worry anyway , the scots life expectancy is below kenya , so you not got long left in you.

[Franko]

No idea what you said. (ie: I'm Thick and can't read)

But this is the worst job at leaving ever. You keep still posting. (No I Don't)

Please stay left the site is so much nicer again now. (Tough Luck)

I shouldnt have to worry anyway , the Welsh life expectancy is below Scotland , so I not got long left in me.

:roflmao: :roflmao:

[Duce]

Ahh Christ, I just noticed Franko was back, lol.

WB, Franko.

[psxphill]

True that, but to my knowledge Steve Jobs doesn't spend his time personally harassing people who criticize his company's products.

He doesn't need to, someone wrote a Seve Jobs email generator.

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1384.html

Steve Jobs has the advantage that the internet didn't exist when he started up. So you didn't have a huge group of passive agressive zealots harassing you about not only why they didn't like your products but also why they wanted to stop anyone else from buying them as well. Most people don't react well under that kind of pressure. It would probably have been better for him if he had just ignored it, because now he's bitten once everyone is just going to keep on baiting him.

If they are late shipping then chargeback on the credit card. Other than that I imagine that everyone he has harrassed has probably given him enough of a reason to. You can't expect him to turn the other cheek if you aren't prepared to do the same.

[persia]

Barry's martyrdom syndrome aside. There are like what, a thousand classic Amiga fans that post on all these boards? Why he even bothered to come here I don't know. There's like 6 billion people that don't give a #### about C=USA and he has to come to the only place on earth that does.

No purveyor of cheap faux retro kitsch goes to antiques dealers for support. Why did he bring his circus here? Barry was looking for a fight and he got one and now he cries and moans about how badly he was treated. Buck up Cable Guy, there's not one of us that can make any difference in whether you fail or succeed. I've stirred one person away from C=USA, that's it. Big Deal. So put away your martyr complex and leave us alone.

Barry's story could be more compelling if he just told the truth. Everybody likes the idea of a little guy making it in business. He's dived head first into the only market that isn't growing in electronics. He's done it from a furniture store and a modest house in Florida. It's crazy. But it's a good story.

[commodorejohn]

No purveyor of cheap faux retro kitsch goes to antiques dealers for support. Why did he bring his circus here? Barry was looking for a fight and he got one and now he cries and moans about how badly he was treated.
This. But at least it's friggin' hilarious :D

[jorkany]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5142-theyre-on-their-way

5 days 16 hours ago.

UPS must be having a slow week.

[Darrin]

Dude do everyone a favour and **** off

Ah, there's nothing like the Welsh "Welcome in the hillside". :D

Off topic: Swansea went up! Getting ready to come back over for the Swans v Man Utd game (and the Swans v Villa).

[Darrin]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5142-theyre-on-their-way

5 days 16 hours ago.

UPS must be having a slow week.

It's a long way from China... ;)

[spihunter]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5142-theyre-on-their-way

5 days 16 hours ago.

UPS must be having a slow week.

Oh oh! Trouble brewwing in cheap plastic and crappy motherboard paradise?.

[JJ]

Ah, there's nothing like the Welsh "Welcome in the hillside". :D

Off topic: Swansea went up! Getting ready to come back over for the Swans v Man Utd game (and the Swans v Villa).


:roflmao: :roflmao: :laughing:

Yeah was really chuffed for Swansea. Despiter being born in Cardiff and working here I am netural as my dads from london and supports Arsenal so ive always been a goooner too :)

My wifes from Gower, Swansea and she hates football and sport in General but got forced to watch the playoffs and even she was all chuffed

[AmigaHeretic]

@Franko

I thought you were no longer posting on Amiga.org?

I also thought you were no longer using the Internet after June 29, 2011?

[JJ]

Is that what he said he would do. He is so full **** it beggars belief.

[AmigaHeretic]

Is that what he said he would do. He is so full **** it beggars belief.

Yeah, I'm sure someone has some links.

I guess he'll just come in here and tell us all how gullible we are for believing him? :confused:

[Franko]

Is that what he said he would do. Im so full **** it beggars belief.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[number6]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5142-theyre-on-their-way

5 days 16 hours ago.

UPS must be having a slow week.


I can't believe (oh yes I can) how many pages I had to backtrack in this thread for an on-topic post.

any of this plausible? (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=647502&postcount=90)

#6

[haywirepc]

People are wondering why no one got a tracking number. Someone would have to buy one before they can ship it silly!


Or maybe they are waiting till they get 5 orders, this way they can box them all up at once. Its hard being a multi-million dollar computer company you know!

:roflmao:

Steven

[tone007]

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

+1

[tone007]

THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY...THEY'RE OUT THE DOOR.....

Gotta give him credit for using THEY'RE and THEIR correctly!

(first nice thing I've said about C=USA, I think.)

[AmigaHeretic]

+1


Not sure why you are giving the guy a "+1", for editing someones posting and making it look like they said something they didn't? Maybe he does work for CUSA! +1 +1 +1 !!!!!!

I used to like the guy and think he was entertaining, but it's old. Now after saying he won't post here, won't post on the Internet after several page long rants, he comes and just keeps posting smilies?

Just lame. No big deal, but old, tired and lame.

[tone007]

Not sure why you are giving the guy a "+1", for editing someones posting and making it look like they said something they didn't? Maybe he does work for CUSA! +1 +1 +1 !!!!!!

I used to like the guy and think he was entertaining, but it's old. Now after saying he won't post here, won't post on the Internet after several page long rants, he comes and just keeps posting smilies?

Just lame. No big deal, but old, tired and lame.

-1

[AmigaHeretic]

-1

-1

Boo!!! :laughing:

;)

[tone007]

-1

Boo!!! :laughing:

;)

Eat me!

[AmigaHeretic]

Eat me!

If tone007 were an IceCream flavor he'd be Pralines N' Dick.

Franko, care for a bowl?


(I'm kidding. :) )

[Arkhan]

Not sure why you are giving the guy a "+1", for editing someones posting and making it look like they said something they didn't? Maybe he does work for CUSA! +1 +1 +1 !!!!!!

I used to like the guy and think he was entertaining, but it's old. Now after saying he won't post here, won't post on the Internet after several page long rants, he comes and just keeps posting smilies?

Just lame. No big deal, but old, tired and lame.

AmigaHeretic--;

[psxphill]

Barry was looking for a fight and he got one and now he cries and moans about how badly he was treated.

I doubt he came here looking for a fight, he probably thought as he was releasing Amiga branded computers that going to a site full of people who like Amiga computers would be good for business. He obviously didn't have a clue what he was letting himself in for.

His business practices are no different from old commodore & if they were still around then they would be making similar machines. The only difference is they'd probably have found a way to make them cheaper.

[commodorejohn]

His business practices are no different from old commodore & if they were still around then they would be making similar machines. The only difference is they'd probably have found a way to make them cheaper.
Really? Funny, I didn't know they ripped off art from people without attribution...

[Franko]

Not sure why you are giving the guy a "+1" (ie: cos I'm thicker than JJ), for editing someones posting and making it look like they said something they didn't? (ie:cos he's cleverer than me) Maybe he does work for CUSA! +1 +1 +1 !!!!!! (ie: and I believe in conspiracy theories)

I used to like the gays and think they were entertaining, but I'm old. Now after saying I won't post here, won't post on the Internet after several page long pants, I come and just keeps posting smilies?

I'm Just lame. I'm No big deal, butt ugly old, tired and lame.
:roflmao: :roflmao:

[TheGoose]

Gotta give him credit for using THEY'RE and THEIR correctly!

(first nice thing I've said about C=USA, I think.)

:lol:

let's not forget THERE

[Kesa]

:roflmao: :roflmao:

Franko you used to be good at trolling so what's up with this nonsense? You were always creative and clever but i don't find this funny because i am not a 5 year old.

[Franko]

Franko I used to be good at trolling so what's up with this nonsense? I was never creative and clever but i do find this funny because i am not yet a 5 year old.

;)

[commodorejohn]

Franko you used to be good at trolling so what's up with this nonsense? You were always creative and clever but i don't find this funny because i am not a 5 year old.
I think Franko's account has been picked up by someone who has it in for him. This doesn't read like anything else he's ever posted.

[spihunter]

I think Franko's account has been picked up by someone who has it in for him. This doesn't read like anything else he's ever posted.


You guys are missing the part where he is changing the quotes. It's pretty funny.....

[psxphill]

You guys are missing the part where he is changing the quotes. It's pretty boring.....

Really you think Franko is boring?

[JJ]

So Franko is quoting me and changing what I say. That's sooooooooooooo funny.

I prostate myself at the feet of the worlds greatest living comedian.

[tone007]

I prostate myself at the feet of the worlds greatest living comedian.

This didn't even need to be changed to be funny!

[Tripitaka]

I think I would miss Franko if he left, at least he makes me laugh.

As for this news item, I just wrote the word "Amiga" in my arse with a biro. I have an Amiga arse now. I'm going to write it on my wall too so that I can have an Amiga wall.... and then....Yeah, I think you get the idea.

[CritAnime]

As for this news item, I just wrote the word "Amiga" in my arse with a biro. I have an Amiga arse now.

If you could throw together a website with some hastily ripped pictures. Make a little fan centric forum. Be a bit more caustic and aggressive towards the Amiga communities. Be a douche any time someone questions your products. Then maybe you could sell the produce of your arse as genuine Amiga ****. :roflmao:

[crawff]

@Franko

It is actually really funny, even though it shouldn't be. :-)

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

So Franko is quoting me and changing what I say. That's sooooooooooooo funny.

I prostate myself at the feet of the worlds greatest living comedian.

+1

Even though I no longer own one, I like to check up on goings-on in the Amiga world. Franko just makes this site unbearable, however - but hooray - "thanks" to him, I finally learned how to use the "ignore" feature!

[Franko]

+1

Even though I no longer own one (it fell off during the war), I like to check up on goings-on in the real world. Franko just makes this site bearable, however - but hooray - "thanks" to him, I finally learned how I'm the most "ignorant" feature!
:roflmao:

[number6]

:roflmao:


Methinks you need to update "Thank Gawd It's All Over" and "Gone Back To The Real World", otherwise people will think both references are to your dumping of flash. Heh.

#6

[TheGoose]

You guys are missing the part where he is changing the quotes. It's pretty funny.....

:lol:

Kesa got served.

[jorkany]

Looks like somebody did get a shipping confirmation of some sort:

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=45&lang=en#5430
Its a notice of a Click and Ship label being made under Barry's and Commodore's name. The timeing of the notification late today implies that it will actually be shipped out tomorrow. So I'm expecting it to show up Tuesday or Wednesday next week.

[Darrin]

Looks like somebody did get a shipping confirmation of some sort:

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=45&lang=en#5430

So it has taken just under a week for them to assemble 1 unit on those folding tables at the back of the shop and print a shipping label. My maths is a little fuzzy, so if 1 unit takes just under a week to send out then 30,000 units should take a little under 30,000 weeks... what's that in years? ;)

[gizmo350]

So it has taken just under a week for them to assemble 1 unit on those folding tables at the back of the shop and print a shipping label. My maths is a little fuzzy, so if 1 unit takes just under a week to send out then 30,000 units should take a little under 30,000 weeks... what's that in years? ;)


576 years!

[Darrin]

Hi Gizmo,

as your "Where's Franko" thread has vanished, Franko emailed me in response to your game:
http://www.prolaptopshop.com/images/amigaorg/wheresfranko.jpg

and sent me another vserion for those who found it too hard:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/WheresFranko02.jpg

:D

[number6]

Hi Gizmo,

as your "Where's Franko" thread has vanished,


How soon they forget the "sock drawer"...

#6

[Darrin]

How soon they forget the "sock drawer"...

#6

Nooooooooooo! Not the SOCK DRAW! :eek:

[number6]

Nooooooooooo! Not the SOCK DRAW! :eek:


Is that like "not the comfy pillow"?
If so, then my response should be:
"No one expects the amiga.org inquisition."

#6

[number6]

@Darrin

Please excuse sloppy move to on-topic thread.

Originally Posted by number6:

Sure, the quote can have another meaning or merely be the attempt to plant a seed of PR.
Regardless, it's obvious that COS V1.0 is an "in house" production.
It's also obvious that since Leo has posted that he will be leaving for quite a while, that some work will have to be contracted out, which probably would have been the case regardless.

#6

Darrin:Leo is heading to the lifeboat already?

He's made public mention of having a baby. He's already admitted time off will be necessary. Beyond that, he'll only know how this affects his long range plans with time, although he has spoken of a trip to China late summer.

#6

[Darrin]

@Darrin

Please excuse sloppy move to on-topic thread.
He's made public mention of having a baby. He's already admitted time off will be necessary. Beyond that, he'll only know how this affects his long range plans with time, although he has spoken of a trip to China late summer.

#6

LOL. Good move. :)

A baby? Well congratualtions to Leo and his wife. He'd better start stocking up on sleep immediately.

OK, some serious suggestions for the baby's name:

Agnus
Paula
Gary
Denise
... keep 'em coming...

[Kesa]

Don't forget Moochie! Remember Barry's not human :roflmao:

[gizmo350]

http://www.yadamnfool.com/images/MoreSmileys5/lmfao.gif http://www.yadamnfool.com/images/MoreSmileys5/lmfao.gifhttp://www.yadamnfool.com/images/MoreSmileys5/lmfao.gifhttp://www.yadamnfool.com/images/MoreSmileys5/lmfao.gifhttp://www.yadamnfool.com/images/MoreSmileys5/lmfao.gif

Thanks for sharing that Darrin!


Hi Gizmo,

as your "Where's Franko" thread has vanished, Franko emailed me in response to your game:
http://www.prolaptopshop.com/images/amigaorg/wheresfranko.jpg

and sent me another vserion for those who found it too hard:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/WheresFranko02.jpg

:D

[amiga92570]

So it has taken just under a week for them to assemble 1 unit on those folding tables at the back of the shop and print a shipping label. My maths is a little fuzzy, so if 1 unit takes just under a week to send out then 30,000 units should take a little under 30,000 weeks... what's that in years? ;)

I guess we found Darrin's computational limit?

[Darrin]

I guess we found Darrin's computational limit?

and the limit of your IQ when you can't grasp sarcasm. Leave the humour to me and keep buying the velcro fastening shoes. ;)

[Iggy]

...keep buying the velcro fastening shoes. ;)

Ha! :)

[amiga92570]

and the limit of your IQ when you can't grasp sarcasm. Leave the humour to me and keep buying the velcro fastening shoes. ;)

Leave the humour too you? I would rather enjoy jumping of a cliff. Its a good thing you keep putting your foot in your mouth, so others can easily put one in your ass

[Darrin]

Leave the humour too you? I would rather enjoy jumping of a cliff. Its a good thing you keep putting your foot in your mouth, so others can easily put one in your ass

Please do jump. We'll enjoy that,

You'll need to put on about 100 lbs of muscle first. :)

[Darrin]

Ha! :)

Well, it saves him having to ask his mother to tie his laces. ;) :D

or in his case, he probably asks Bazza. :p

[AmigaHeretic]

Its a good thing you keep putting your foot in your mouth, so others can easily put one in your ass


You'll need to put on about 100 lbs of muscle first. :)

100lbs of muscle?!?!?!? That's a tight sphincter!

(Sorry couldn't resist!)

[AmigaHeretic]

This guy wears velcro shoes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQyib5ZQZY

[Darrin]

100lbs of muscle?!?!?!? That's a tight sphincter!

(Sorry couldn't resist!)

LOL. My party trick at Xmas is to crack walnuts... in my crack! Frightens the hell out of the guests and best to do it after we eat. :p

[Darrin]

This guy were velcro shoes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQyib5ZQZY

Christ! Imagine him and Doomy doing the "Only The Amiga Makes It Possible" song as a duet!

[Kesa]

Man this is annoying. Reminds me of Franko :hammer:

MtN1YnoL46Q

[psxphill]

LOL. My party trick at Xmas is to crack walnuts... in my crack! Frightens the hell out of the guests and best to do it after we eat. :p

If I was at a party where someone put walnuts in their arse then I would be frightened. But then I'm straight.

[EgillSkallagrimsson]

Man this is annoying. Reminds me of Franko :hammer:

MtN1YnoL46Q

This song has been permanently burned into my brain thanks to having a 3yo niece that loves it. :laughing:

[TiredOLife]

I can't believe your niece is allowed to listen to that.
I'm a grown man and that clip is going to give me nightmares tonight.

[djrikki]

Hmm lol Not that annoying I sat through part 2 and 3 as well xD

[number6]

@thread

May need more sock drawers in order to sort socks by "colors".

#6

[jorkany]

C64x units have begun arriving:

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=75&lang=en#5545

[commodorejohn]

Well, congratulations. After only over a year of being a general pain in the ass, CUSA has successfully built and shipped...an overpriced PC in a novelty case. I'll alert the media.

[gunni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_4ELmU2BSY

a guy opening a box... :laughing:

edit: now a longer unboxing video

http://www.youtube.com/user/EternalPtah#p/u/1/k8xMh7k2Bhc

nothing of it up and running tho

[Kesa]

Is gunni actually Franko like with Creeping Jesus? I always knew that guy was a traitor!

[lsmart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_4ELmU2BSY

a guy opening a box... :laughing:

edit: now a longer unboxing video

http://www.youtube.com/user/EternalPtah#p/u/1/k8xMh7k2Bhc

nothing of it up and running tho

There is another one, where one guy is comparing old vs. new case feature by feature. He hasn´t turned it on though either:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVZtdccifL8

[persia]

There seems to be a reluctance to actually turn it on and break the illusion.

[the_leander]

Well, congratulations. After only over a year of being a general pain in the ass, CUSA has successfully built and shipped...an overpriced PC in a novelty case. I'll alert the media.

And yet for all that, they've still managed to do more in 12 months than Hyperion+partners have been able to in nearly a decade. And their systems will be vastly more usable to folk out of the box.

Fair play to them, Barry may be a muppet of the highest order, but he's a muppet that delivers.

[jorkany]

And yet for all that, they've still managed to do more in 12 months than Hyperion+partners have been able to in nearly a decade. And their systems will be vastly more usable to folk out of the box.

Fair play to them, Barry may be a muppet of the highest order, but he's a muppet that delivers.

X1000 pre-orders are butthurt. And out 700 UK monetary units.

[spihunter]

There seems to be a reluctance to actually turn it on and break the illusion.


They went through the trouble of doing an unboxing video and didn't show it running?. WTF?. I'm more interested in what the "CommodoreOS" looks like. I bet they just shipped the first batch with regular Ubuntu installed.....

[the_leander]

X1000 pre-orders are butthurt. And out 700 UK monetary units.

Bigtime.

Especially fun is seeing the proof offered up by tptb as evidence of new beta boards.

So, who's got the popcorn?

[commodorejohn]

There seems to be a reluctance to actually turn it on and break the illusion.
That's what I was going to say - maybe they're hoping that if they leave it sit it might turn into an actual C64?
And yet for all that, they've still managed to do more in 12 months than Hyperion+partners have been able to in nearly a decade. And their systems will be vastly more usable to folk out of the box.
I'm nobody's Hyperion defender, but "well, at least they've accomplished something!" as an excuse for long-term miscellaneous douchebaggery or "revivals" that have zilch to do with the product whose legacy they're trying to exploit? DOES. NOT. FLY. BABY.

[hairy]

Looks like an xDuck, FLIES (yeah, seems it does) like an xDuck... OMG! it's an xDuck!

[number6]

They went through the trouble of doing an unboxing video and didn't show it running?. WTF?. I'm more interested in what the "CommodoreOS" looks like. I bet they just shipped the first batch with regular Ubuntu installed.....

Status update on that and a few other things from Leo (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-re-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=120&lang=en#5623)

#6

[commodorejohn]

Unbutu / Commodre OS
Hee :D "Ubuntu/Commodore OS," eh? I'll mull that over while driving my Buick/Commodorejohnmobile home from work/CJEmployer.

Have they said anything yet on what the hell is going to differentiate "Commodore OS" from Ubuntu with an Amiga-themed GNOME skin?

[persia]

For US$895 surely there must be an OS installed? I mean you're getting netbook specs at i7 prices, so they should be able to throw in Windows 7 Home Basic...

[gunni]

Is gunni actually Franko like with Creeping Jesus? I always knew that guy was a traitor!

who???
I just got the link from a friend because I "like that retro crap"

[CritAnime]

Commodore OS has not yet entered beta testing. Hopefully late next week. Too many distractions popping up pushing out the schedule.
We've had a lot of interest from beta testers which I need to get on top of. Sorry for the delay.
There'll be at least an issue tracker(closed?) for Commodore OS of course. The C=OS distro is about 95% there.
The last 5 percent is always the hardest.
Provided nothing goes awry during beta testing we are considering opening Commodore OS up to the public just like any distro.
There will be no telephone support for Commodore OS at this stage much like many other distros. Can't be helped.
Eventually the plan is for machines to be imaged with Ubuntu, Commodore OS, and a legacy mode.
There's a European retailer or two that want to include Windows in the mix as well.
MS have been in contact as well, but I don't think we'll go there.



So if they are opening the distro to the public then whats stopping someone, or group of people, taking COS, reworking it and then distributing it as something else.

**Hint, Hint** ;)

that's unless they throw a u-turn and claim it's all proprietary software.

[Fullflavormenthol]

So if they are opening the distro to the public then whats stopping someone, or group of people, taking COS, reworking it and then distributing it as something else.

**Hint, Hint** ;)

that's unless they throw a u-turn and claim it's all proprietary software.

They are going to find themselves in the same situation as Red Hat. Basically Red Hat gets redistributed with all the trademarked stuff pulled out, but functionally it is the same OS...including the "proprietary code" because once connected with the OS it falls under the same GPL that everything else does. (Which is why Red Hat is really a subscription to customer support.)

They are going to run head first into GPL and are not going to like the results because once they tie something into it, it will be covered under GPL. I know people who are fans of C=USA are found of drawing a comparison to Apple here. The one problem is the OSX is based (partially) on BSD which is a license of a different color when compared to GPL. Basically BSD is friendly to commercial ventures and proprietary code being tied into a derivative OS, whereas GPL is really, really, really not. In fact it just can't happen under GPL.

Other than that...good for C=USA in their endeavors...just don't expect a GPL based OS to not be available almost instantly to everyone else.

[commodorejohn]

Yeah, that is odd considering they're trying to build themselves up as a hardware/software combo house...I wonder if Barry thought he'd get to reap the benefits of open-source but didn't think about the conditions, or what?

[CritAnime]

If I am honest I find this GPL thing really interesting. I have wanted to learn about this for a while and this recent thing with COS has been the catalyst for me to want to learn about it properly.

So I am genuinely wanting to learn about this and not rip on CUSA with this question :)

If CUSA decide that they are only going to distribute COS with their machines would that go against GPL then?

[koaftder]

Keep in mind that most software libraries tend to use a more liberal license than GPL, i.e. LGPL, BSD and others. If CUSA wishes to distribute their proprietary software along with their derived open source software stack, that is perfectly permissible and not even remotely interesting. The GPL only applies to works derived from GPL code. Merely distributing proprietary software with linux does not obligate one to share the source code for said proprietary software.

[persia]

It appears that C=USA is going to make their Linux distro open to the public. Commercial Linux distros exist, Fedora, Suse, Oracle are examples, so they could sell Commode OS if they wished.

[koaftder]

So if they are opening the distro to the public then whats stopping someone, or group of people, taking COS, reworking it and then distributing it as something else.


Complete lack of interest.

[number6]

@thread

a bit more about schedule and app store (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5540-re-qaa-with-cusa?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5680)

#6

[commodorejohn]

Hey, there's this cool new thing I've discovered that's just like an app store, but for free! It's called a "package manager."

[koaftder]

Hey, there's this cool new thing I've discovered that's just like an app store, but for free! It's called a "package manager."

There are commercial apps these days in the package manager.

http://i.imgur.com/Hxru2.png

[koaftder]

also:
http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=642564&postcount=2
http://i.imgur.com/Yt0ZP.png

So it's interesting when DiscreetFX does it, but it's lame when CUSA does it? Why?

[spihunter]

also:
http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=642564&postcount=2
http://i.imgur.com/Yt0ZP.png

So it's interesting when DiscreetFX does it, but it's lame when CUSA does it? Why?

Because DiscreetFX aren't lying, stealing, homaphobes?