Ignore Lists (Sideways)

[Wayne]

@AppleHammer.

The first part of the problem isn't your desire for an ignore list. That's perfectly natural and the fact that Franko thinks you're an idiot for wanting it makes it even more logical and useful.

I'm all for the whole "+1 for a complete, site-wide Franko ignore list"..

The bigger issues are of software. Since being purchased, the site has not been upgraded and still runs vBulletin 3.8x (they've moved on to 4.x and it's now MUCH worse than 3.8x ever was). While there is a rudimentary ignore feature built in, as you guessed, it's not very user friendly.

In fact, MOST of vBulletin isn't user-friendly, and if I still owned it, chances are it would have already been rebooted into a new forum system called Xenforo (the same software that runs whyzzat.com).

The second part of your request is for an automatic logon feature. Again, Xenforo has it (and whyzzat.com uses it) but vBulletin 3.8x is now nearly 2 years out of date, meaning no such option is likely to exist -- or if it does, it's not implemented well.

The solution isn't an easy one, and it would involve an investment either way.



Writing custom vBulletin 3.8x modules -- good luck with that. The company that bought out (and subsequently screwed up) vBulletin a couple of years ago doesn't provide, offer, or encourage any support for 3.8x, preferring instead that everyone "just shut up and buy a new license for 4.x"
Upgrading to vBulletin FORUM 4.x puts AO back on the support track, but loses a lot of the functionality (such as the front page), making it much less like a site, and much more like just a forum. ($180+ for a 4.x license)
Upgrading to vBulletin 4.x CMS -- a more full-optioned feature, it's still going to be somewhat of a reboot, because it doesn't use the same front page, the same type themes (they're ALL CSS only now) or anything else. The only thing that really gets saved is the forum data -- which while important, is not all Amiga.org is about). ($285 for a 4.x CMS license)
Find something else like Xenforo to replace it. Again, complete reboot, and it saves the data from the forums, and YES, you can add on modules to make it more like AO is now, even saving that data, but there are major problems, such as building a new theme, listening to "Amiga Users" (and I use the term loosely) bitching about the changes and everything else...


In short, they're not bad features to have, but adding them to the current system might be neigh on impossible.

In truth, and to admit it, had I known then that vBulletin was changing into what it did, I'd never have pushed us as hard as I did in this direction. I'd even love to offer to build a new theme for AO as it sits, but it'd sort of be wasted effort considering it's need to be updated and/or moved to something else.

Sadly, while I have a great deal of respect for them, I don't think the current owners have either the time to devote (and it *would be a lot*), or the inclination needed to make such an upgrade to such a large system as Amiga.org..

Wayne

[Wayne]

I didn't know until recently that it was possible to block someone on amiga.org.
I am deeply shocked that something like that might be possible on an amiga forum where friendship should be prevalent.
With no more than 100 or 200 regular posters, it makes absolutly no sense to block some users among our fellow amigans. Why not just ignore the whole forum and remain alone with no one bothering you? No one is forcing you to connect here to read messages.

It comes down to the whole "one bad apple" (aka Franko) scenario. Is it better to completely leave Amiga.org because of one troll, or would it be better to simply be able to "ignore" the ramblings of said -=Moderated=-?

I think the latter, because if everyone stops coming here because of a troll or two, what's the point of even offering Amiga.org as a service any longer?

[amigadave]

It comes down to the whole "one bad apple" (aka Franko) scenario. Is it better to completely leave Amiga.org because of one troll, or would it be better to simply be able to "ignore" the ramblings of said asshat?

I think the latter, because if everyone stops coming here because of a troll or two, what's the point of even offering Amiga.org as a service any longer?

Good example Wayne! Having Franko on my ignore list is the only way I can tolerate this place anymore.

Glad to see you still visit here once in a while. I wish you had never lost your interest in all things Amiga and also wish you had not sold this site.

I am sure that the money was useful to you at the time, but I would have preferred that you had just taken a vacation from here, and then come back when you had rested up and your interest in Amiga topics returned.

But I don't blame you at all for your choices, I doubt that I would have been able to put up with all the antics that some members do here for as long as you did. Thanks again for hanging in and improving Amiga.org for as long as you did.

[hairy]

Now be a good old man and accept my humble nomination for life tenure

As you said so many times in your "Imam's Public Speakings", I've fixed it for you :D

[nOw2]

I'm all for the whole "+1 for a complete, site-wide Franko ignore list"..I didn't want to name names, but you are spot on.

Some of this thread is starting to disappear under "this user is on your ignore list".

[odin]

+1

[Wayne]

Ah...

This message is hidden because Franko is on your ignore list.

That's better...

Wayne

[Franko]

I see... the little kiddies can't handle anything being said in reply to their pathetic personal attacks and so some idiot of a moderator decides to remove my posts based on nothing more than unfair and biased opinions in favour of their cry baby little chums... what a sad bunch of idiots there are on this site... :)

Well two can play at that game... ;)

[Franko]

It comes down to the whole "one bad apple" (aka Franko) scenario. Is it better to completely leave Amiga.org because of one troll, or would it be better to simply be able to "ignore" the ramblings of said asshat?

I think the latter, because if everyone stops coming here because of a troll or two, what's the point of even offering Amiga.org as a service any longer?

Once again a personal attack by a sad bitter twisted old man with nothing better to do with his time than lurk around here trolling personal attacks on me... :rolleyes:

Get a life for gawds sake man... :)

[Kesa]

@AppleHammer.

The first part of the problem isn't your desire for an ignore list. That's perfectly natural and the fact that Franko thinks you're an idiot for wanting it makes it even more logical and useful.

I'm all for the whole "+1 for a complete, site-wide Franko ignore list"..

The bigger issues are of software. Since being purchased, the site has not been upgraded and still runs vBulletin 3.8x (they've moved on to 4.x and it's now MUCH worse than 3.8x ever was). While there is a rudimentary ignore feature built in, as you guessed, it's not very user friendly.

In fact, MOST of vBulletin isn't user-friendly, and if I still owned it, chances are it would have already been rebooted into a new forum system called Xenforo (the same software that runs whyzzat.com).

The second part of your request is for an automatic logon feature. Again, Xenforo has it (and whyzzat.com uses it) but vBulletin 3.8x is now nearly 2 years out of date, meaning no such option is likely to exist -- or if it does, it's not implemented well.

The solution isn't an easy one, and it would involve an investment either way.



Writing custom vBulletin 3.8x modules -- good luck with that. The company that bought out (and subsequently screwed up) vBulletin a couple of years ago doesn't provide, offer, or encourage any support for 3.8x, preferring instead that everyone "just shut up and buy a new license for 4.x"
Upgrading to vBulletin FORUM 4.x puts AO back on the support track, but loses a lot of the functionality (such as the front page), making it much less like a site, and much more like just a forum. ($180+ for a 4.x license)
Upgrading to vBulletin 4.x CMS -- a more full-optioned feature, it's still going to be somewhat of a reboot, because it doesn't use the same front page, the same type themes (they're ALL CSS only now) or anything else. The only thing that really gets saved is the forum data -- which while important, is not all Amiga.org is about). ($285 for a 4.x CMS license)
Find something else like Xenforo to replace it. Again, complete reboot, and it saves the data from the forums, and YES, you can add on modules to make it more like AO is now, even saving that data, but there are major problems, such as building a new theme, listening to "Amiga Users" (and I use the term loosely) bitching about the changes and everything else...


In short, they're not bad features to have, but adding them to the current system might be neigh on impossible.

In truth, and to admit it, had I known then that vBulletin was changing into what it did, I'd never have pushed us as hard as I did in this direction. I'd even love to offer to build a new theme for AO as it sits, but it'd sort of be wasted effort considering it's need to be updated and/or moved to something else.

Sadly, while I have a great deal of respect for them, I don't think the current owners have either the time to devote (and it *would be a lot*), or the inclination needed to make such an upgrade to such a large system as Amiga.org..

Wayne

This is typical Wayne of late.

@Wayne. Why do you bother even posting here anymore? All you do now is post negative comments and opinions about all things Amiga. You posted in this thread explaining ways to improve Amiga.org and even gave recommendations. But then right at the end you tell us it's impossible to do any of it. You posted all those ideas just so you could tell us it's a waste of time like Amiga isn't worth the bother.

I have respect for you for being the creator of this site but there's a limit to how far that goes. I'm sorry Wayne but over the last few months you have been acting like a complete dickhead. My opinion of you is so low at the moment i actually think Doommaster is a more preferable member to you. Sure doomy is a con artist and a wanker in general but at least he had a passion for Amigas (he even sang a song telling us so) which is more than what i can say for you.

How did this turn into "lets attack Franko"? I think if anyone is to be banned or blocked site wide it should be Wayne. For example: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=627083#post627083

Wayne, stop acting like a dickhead.

[Franko]

How did this turn into "lets attack Franko"? I think if anyone is to be banned or blocked site wide it should be Wayne. For example: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=627083#post627083

Wayne, stop acting like a dickhead.

Well said Kesa (your whole post I mean) agree with you 100 % on it... :)

As to the bit above well this bitter old man for whatever his reasons has spent as much time as he when here attacking me (as well as on MooBunny). To be honest his postings of late seem to be nothing more than trying to bring down this site in the hope of attracting members over to his own site... ;)

Sad but somewhere along the way he obviously lost the plot and is now left desperately floundering trying to sooth his overblown ego... :)

And even though I wouldn't use this ignore feature anymore it's also a shame that he can't be put on it... :rolleyes:

[Franko]

Or in short, grow the fish up and have a good laugh at the retards expense.

You must get really bored then but nice to know you can laugh at yourself... :D

[Kronos]

You must get really bored then but nice to know you can laugh at yourself... :D

Wow !! I guess you really had to work your head-muscle to come up with that one !!

[Franko]

Wow !! I guess you really had to work your head-muscle to come up with that one !!

Nope... simple and lame insults are easy to reply to... :)

[Kesa]

Errmmm... this doesn't make sense. How is Wayne supposed to see my personal attack on him if the mods put it all the way in here? It should be on the front page. Also what does the "(sideways)" mean in the thread name? :confused:

[adz]

There's an ignore list? :shocked:

[Franko]

There's an ignore list? :shocked:

Yes... but it seems it only allows you to ignore me... :)

[Franko]

@ Kesa & ChaosLord

Hmmm... you two have been lurking in this thread for ten minutes now... ;)

What you pair up to... :)

[Pyromania]

@Wayne

We are always interested in anything that would help Amiga.org or make it grow even more. We thought seriously about upgrading to vBulletin 4.x in the past but we became shy when we learned about all it's problems. We are big fans of the Amiga old and new and feel Amiga.org is one of the great sites to visit and discuss all good things Amiga/MorphOS/AROS Etc.

[the_leander]

This is typical Wayne of late.

@Wayne. Why do you bother even posting here anymore? All you do now is post negative comments and opinions about all things Amiga.

Yes, how dare Wayne use negative phrases! We must all be happy, all of the time, burn the heretics!

Have you visited whyzzat recently? The CMS he's talking about really is something a bit special, and not in the short bus sense either.



You posted in this thread explaining ways to improve Amiga.org and even gave recommendations. But then right at the end you tell us it's impossible to do any of it.

It's impossible unless the current owners put in the time and effort. I spoke to Karlos a lot about the last reboot from xoops and seriously - it was a truly herculean task to get it done and working.

Now admittedly a jump to the system he's talking about might well be easier since the software isn't that out of date. But basically unless you can find someone with both the technical expertise (which limits it to maybe 5-10 people on this site) with both the time and inclination (hands up who can remember the gargantuan amount of flack was thrown out when the switch was to vbullitin was announced- now go and ask those people to put themselves into the firing line) then what he's saying is essentially correct.


You posted all those ideas just so you could tell us it's a waste of time like Amiga isn't worth the bother.

Have you considered the possibility that he wasn't aiming it at the Amiga, but at the hassle itself?


My opinion of you is so low at the moment i actually think Doommaster is a more preferable member to you. Sure doomy is a con artist and a wanker in general but at least he had a passion for Amigas (he even sang a song telling us so) which is more than what i can say for you.

Wow, you'd want someone who actively harmed people within the community over someone who dares to speak plainly and truthfully, because they're "passionate"? Way to prioritise dude!

[gertsy]

Passionate about people ? The community? Or oneself.
What's the purpose of this thread ?
Forum ?

[the_leander]

Passionate about people ? The community? Or oneself.
What's the purpose of this thread ?
Forum ?

I got the impression that kesa values people more for their commitment to "the cause" (Amiga) than their actual behaviour. Hence his view that it would be more acceptable to have this place filled with con artists who express "passion" whilst screwing you over then people who spoke honestly and plainly, but weren't as interested in Amiga.

At least, that's the way I read it, YMMV, of course :)

[gertsy]

I got the impression that kesa values people more for their commitment to "the cause" (Amiga) than their actual behaviour. Hence his view that it would be more acceptable to have this place filled with con artists who express "passion" whilst screwing you over then people who spoke honestly and plainly, but weren't as interested in Amiga.

At least, that's the way I read it, YMMV, of course :)

Yeah but if they can sing too. Surely that's enough ?

[adz]

Meh, this site has turned ghey anyway...

[the_leander]

Yeah but if they can sing too. Surely that's enough ?

I saw that video too you know, and I don't think torturing domestic cats counts ;)

[gertsy]

I saw that video too you know, and I don't think torturing domestic cats counts ;)

Could it be possible. Is it a clever cover or the return of the original?... Hoo Hooo!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNti5bN9ILU&feature=related

[Kesa]

Yes, how dare Wayne use negative phrases! We must all be happy, all of the time, burn the heretics!

Have you visited whyzzat recently? The CMS he's talking about really is something a bit special, and not in the short bus sense either.




It's impossible unless the current owners put in the time and effort. I spoke to Karlos a lot about the last reboot from xoops and seriously - it was a truly herculean task to get it done and working.

Now admittedly a jump to the system he's talking about might well be easier since the software isn't that out of date. But basically unless you can find someone with both the technical expertise (which limits it to maybe 5-10 people on this site) with both the time and inclination (hands up who can remember the gargantuan amount of flack was thrown out when the switch was to vbullitin was announced- now go and ask those people to put themselves into the firing line) then what he's saying is essentially correct.



Have you considered the possibility that he wasn't aiming it at the Amiga, but at the hassle itself?



Wow, you'd want someone who actively harmed people within the community over someone who dares to speak plainly and truthfully, because they're "passionate"? Way to prioritise dude!

I was talking hypothetically about doomy but i never said that. My bad. I know Doomy was scum and would never let him back into this community but hypothetically if i had to choose between Wayne and Doomy to have a beer and tell stories about anything Amiga i would choose Doomy. The reason is that i would prefer to have a conversation with someone about Amigas with someone who actually cares about them as opposed to someone who clearly doesn't give a ****.

But i wish him luck on his other site. I have joined it and think it's good so maybe he should move onto something he has a passion for. Good luck to him.

[the_leander]

I know Doomy is scum and would never let him back into this community but hypothetically if i had to choose between Wayne and Doomy to have a beer and tell stories about anything Amiga i would choose Doomy.

What's it like being a mark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cue_sports_terms#Mark)?

Also: FTFY ;)

[Kesa]

What's it like being a mark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cue_sports_terms#Mark)?

Also: FTFY ;)

That's me! I'm a mark! Thanks Leander :)

[the_leander]

That's me! I'm a mark! Thanks Leander :)

Joking aside for a moment, I would be extremely cautious in any dealings with a con artist and hold as seriously suspect any claims they made about a pastime they enjoyed that you share. In fact, if I knew them to be a con artist, I would actively avoid contact with them.

Wayne might not enjoy Amigas any more (and tbh given the **** he's taken over the years, no fair minded person could blame him either). But like many others, he's made good friends through this place, as many of the long time members have.

This site was more than just about the Amiga and it continues to be. It's a big part of the reason why it's still here whilst most of it's contemporaries have long since died off or been closed down.

This isn't Amigans.net.

[Kesa]

This site was more than just about the Amiga and it continues to be. It's a big part of the reason why it's still here whilst most of it's contemporaries have long since died off or been closed down.

This isn't Amigans.net.

Hmmm... Maybe you could tell me about what happened to the other sites? Why did they close down or die off? This is the only Amiga forums site i know of except for maybe lemonamiga which seems quite good.

For the record i think if they gave the fun police what they wanted and got rid of the members they don't like Amiga.org would become very boring...

[the_leander]

Hmmm... Maybe you could tell me about what happened to the other sites? Why did they close down or die off? This is the only Amiga forums site i know of except for maybe lemonamiga which seems quite good.

Well in ANN.lu's case became a self perpetuating flame war during the height of the conflict between MorphOS and Hyperion supporters. It made even the exodus that happened on here look downright tame in comparison. In the end the owner had enough and shut the place down for the sake of his own sanity and the good of mankind.

Other places withered due to the falling numbers of users (many in the community simply walked when Eyetech made public the fact that Amiga.Inc, far from being "on schedule and rocking" hadn't in fact touched what was to be OS4 in months). Lemonamiga which concentrated mostly on the classic stuff seems to have done ok, it never really featured on the radar unless you were more of a retro buff, but at the same time it never had any of the dramallamas that came with AmigaNG either.


For the record i think if they gave the fun police what they wanted and got rid of the members they don't like Amiga.org would become very boring...

Fair play mate :)

[Belial6]

So, how do I set the Ignore feature? Given that there two particular individuals how not only disrupt most threads I read, but brag about how they are going to continue to disrupt threads that they want to force off the site, It would be a lot more pleasant if I could block them.

[the_leander]

So, how do I set the Ignore feature? Given that there two particular individuals how not only disrupt most threads I read, but brag about how they are going to continue to disrupt threads that they want to force off the site, It would be a lot more pleasant if I could block them.

Click on the UserCP link that's present under your nick at the top right of your browser page, on the left hand side you'll see a list of options Framed under "Your Control Panel", about halfway down is an option entitled "Edit Ignore List"
Copy and paste (or just type) the name of the individual you want to ignore. Hit save, the end.

Or, click here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[Belial6]

Thanks! That helps a lot. With just ignoring two users (+ one of those user's new alternate accounts) the threads start to become readable again. There are still a couple of trolls, but the noise level drops dramatically.

[LordSpunky]

For the record i think if they gave the fun police what they wanted and got rid of the members they don't like Amiga.org would become very boring...

I agree, sometimes I come here just for the giggle factor, although I need to learn to keep my insane ramblings to the coffee house! Sometimes there is too much seriousness and uniform controls that stop us being us, and too much geek talk is bad for your health!

[adz]

...and it's really starting to reek of the Aids...

[Karlos]

...and it's really starting to reek of the Aids...

I am presently trying to diagnose the cause of the intermittent 500 internal server error. It could be a dodgy plugin, or it could just be the aids and fail starting to bother the server itself too.

[the_leander]

I am presently trying to diagnose the cause of the intermittent 500 internal server error. It could be a dodgy plugin, or it could just be the aids and fail starting to bother the server itself too.

I say nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure ;)

[cecilia]

Thanks! That helps a lot. With just ignoring two users (+ one of those user's new alternate accounts) the threads start to become readable again. .............

I thought "alternate accounts" were against the rules here????
and I agree with it, btw.

anyway, the ignore feature is a good thing

[Karlos]

I say nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure ;)

Hey, it worked for PHPNuke. Actually, perhaps that's how it got named :lol:

[adz]

I am presently trying to diagnose the cause of the intermittent 500 internal server error. It could be a dodgy plugin, or it could just be the aids and fail starting to bother the server itself too.

We needs a huge dose of aids-be-gone, or a giant ban hammer, either way, we achieve the desired effect.

I thought "alternate accounts" were against the rules here????
and I agree with it, btw.

anyway, the ignore feature is a good thing

For the first time ever, I actually feel the need for an ignore list, even in the days of red vs. blue, as well as the whole Billsy saga, I never once felt like I neeeded to ignore people on this site. Having just read this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58128) I now have an ignore list the length of my arm, hopfully that should make this place a little more barable.

[the_leander]

Hey, it worked for PHPNuke. Actually, perhaps that's how it got named :lol:

I remember when AOrg ran on it... Thanks to this place, I found out about both Goatse and tubgirl.

Thankfully I was spared lemonparty.

:lol:

[adz]

I remember when AOrg ran on it... Thanks to this place, I found out about both Goatse and tubgirl.

Thankfully I was spared lemonparty.

:lol:

Yes, those were the days...I can send you a lemonparty link if you like :eek:

[adz]

I say nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure ;)

/me warms up the orbital ION cannon :banana:

[the_leander]

Yes, those were the days...I can send you a lemonparty link if you like :eek:

A bit late for that I'm afraid, I learned of it's existence through the medium of IRC... It was only years later that the wider media started on reporting of the dangers of chatrooms... :(

[adz]

A bit late for that I'm afraid, I learned of it's existence through the medium of IRC... It was only years later that the wider media started on reporting of the dangers of chatrooms... :(

What the ****, pass the mind bleach please :eek: Bet I know who forwarded it to you too :razz: