C64x's Pre-Production Video [Archive]

digitex

05-05-2011, 07:00 PM

Nah, I reckon it's pretty interesting...

Not sure about the gloss-finish of the C64 cases though...

Mike.

These are just samples to ascertain fit and polish before production which is scheduled to begin in a week's time.
The color is exactly the same but the lighting in the factory doesn't show it properly. The shiny surface is only temporary as the mold is now being textured to obtain the original C64 finish.
We would like to thank Motorola Rapid Prototyping Services for their excellent job with the mold and Technicraft Plastics for their services and allowing us to film this historic moment.

Follow us on twitter for the latest news @commodoreUSA #C64

ChrisUnionNJ

05-05-2011, 07:16 PM

I'm just happy to see them making something was tired of all the hot air!!

Chris :hammer:

Franko

05-05-2011, 07:17 PM

Quote from The New York Times dated Friday May 6th 2011

Full Article Here... (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/the-new-commodore-64-updated-with-its-old-exterior/)

Barry Altman, president and chief executive of Commodore USA, said he purchased the Commodore trademark in September of last year with the goal of reviving the company and offering a product that no longer exists.

Now forgive me if I'm wrong here but hasn't CUSA been Using the Commodore name and Trademark since before September of last year... must be a typo surely...;)

Just like the other interview I posted a link to a wee while back where Barry claimed they were on their second production run... :)

Must be some sort of time travel going on over at CUSA HQ... :D

dammy

05-05-2011, 08:19 PM

Quote from The New York Times dated Friday May 6th 2011

Full Article Here... (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/the-new-commodore-64-updated-with-its-old-exterior/)

Actually, that was April 6th, 2011.

Now forgive me if I'm wrong here but hasn't CUSA been Using the Commodore name and Trademark since before September of last year... must be a typo surely...;)

Just like the other interview I posted a link to a wee while back where Barry claimed they were on their second production run... :)

I don't think Barry bought it, but license it. Barry is more then likely on the second if not third production run sales. Which is different then having done production runs itself, just the quota of advanced sales.

Must be some sort of time travel going on over at CUSA HQ... :D

Or NY Times and you screwed up on a couple of things. Lets see, time machine vs screw ups, think I know which one I'll go with.

Franko

05-05-2011, 08:49 PM

Actually, that was April 6th, 2011.

Yup you got me on that one it was indeed April and not may, trouble is whenever I read something Barry says I get so many tears in my eyes with laughing that it's difficult to read sometimes... :)

I don't think Barry bought it, but license it. Barry is more then likely on the second if not third production run sales. Which is different then having done production runs itself, just the quota of advanced sales.

Hmmm... now let me see The New York Times quotes Barry as saying "purchased" Dammy says "Licence", now which one do I believe... hmm... tough choice that... can you guess who I believe here... ;)

Or NY Times and you screwed up on a couple of things. Lets see, time machine vs screw ups, think I know which one I'll go with.

I know even The New York Times can screw things up but not to the extent that Barry can (doubt anyone could screw up things like Barry does) so I'll go for the magical mysterious time machine they must have built in Barry Kitchen, sorry production facility out of left over fake C64 bits... :)

Now even I'd be tempted to buy one of those, how many have they produced so far... :)

Idea: you just need to produce one time machine and set it on an infinite time loop at the production time to continually loop back and produce itself, so by this time one hundred years ago they'd have had enough built to release them on the first release date that's since been and gone... ;)

skurk

05-06-2011, 02:11 AM

I expect to see another video in the not too distant future of the actual C64x's production line.

As much as I dislike the whole "PC disguised as a C64" concept, I tip my hat to Barry for actually pulling this through. I'm not buying, but I'm impressed by his persistence.

Hattig

05-06-2011, 02:59 AM

Nah, I reckon it's pretty interesting...

Not sure about the gloss-finish of the C64 cases though...

Mike.

The computer will come with some iron wool, and also, for no extra charge, a special gel in "nicotine yellow" to get the computer looking like a decade old C64 in a chain smoker's house.

Damiga

05-06-2011, 04:32 AM

Wow, I think this is good news.
I was originally an Atari user myself, but I bought my first Amiga earlier this year.
So I don't have the same nostalgic feeling over the Amiga as some(most?) people in the current Amiga community have. And I haven't experienced all the apparently bad things happening in the community with copyrights and licenses moving back and forward , being sold and whatnot.

I can understand the feeling that this is wrong and bad, but for me, as a new user, it's good news. I think it's fun that something "new" is created.

I apologize if I upset someone, it's not my intention =)

PS. Don't get me wrong, I love the old stuff and I think that nothing compares to the original(I have 5 amigas myself, 2*A1200, 2*A500, and one a600). But i think the world is big enough for both old and new =)

kolla

05-06-2011, 04:58 AM

But this "new stuff" is just an ordinary PC, nothing exciting about it.
Also, it has nothing to do with Amiga. The original C64 also had nothing to do with Amiga as such.

Damiga

05-06-2011, 05:10 AM

But this "new stuff" is just an ordinary PC, nothing exciting about it.
Also, it has nothing to do with Amiga. The original C64 also had nothing to do with Amiga as such.

I know it's just PC, but I like it.
I like the computer in the keyboard Idea(I know it's not a new idea) and the retro design.

I've seen people doing mods of old C64s, putting in mini-itx motherboards and I've been interested in doing it myself. But I don't have the skill to do it good enough and I think it would be a shame to destroy a nice old C64. So for me it's a good solution.

I'm thinking of buying one but the FPGA replay and an Indivision AGA is first on my list right now.

Bamiga2002

05-06-2011, 05:13 AM

The original C64 also had nothing to do with Amiga as such.Wrong! Commodore 64 was the big brother and Commodore Amiga was its amazon-like little sister :)

dammy

05-06-2011, 05:34 AM

But this "new stuff" is just an ordinary PC, nothing exciting about it.
Also, it has nothing to do with Amiga. The original C64 also had nothing to do with Amiga as such.

True, the Commodore Amigas will be out later this year.

Bamiga2002

05-06-2011, 05:49 AM

True, the Commodore Amigas will be out later this year.Yep, it will only be having a little different name: Natami!

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 06:27 AM

and the most boring video of the decade goes to... ;)

Well, that means you watched it, couldn't be that boring if it kept you away from posting here. :laughing:

persia

05-06-2011, 06:34 AM

It's like an accident on the road, you want to turn away but you just have to look and when you see it you realise you should have just turned away.....

Well, that means you watched it, couldn't be that boring if it kept you away from posting here. :laughing:

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 06:38 AM

Quote from The New York Times dated Friday May 6th 2011

Full Article Here... (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/the-new-commodore-64-updated-with-its-old-exterior/)

Now forgive me if I'm wrong here but hasn't CUSA been Using the Commodore name and Trademark since before September of last year... must be a typo surely...;)

Just like the other interview I posted a link to a wee while back where Barry claimed they were on their second production run... :)

Must be some sort of time travel going on over at CUSA HQ... :D

Technically, he is correct. Since they purchased the rights to commodore, the first run was in the 80's before they went bankrupt. company's do this all the time. Look up the space shuttle, b1 bomber, and see who made it. It doesn't list the company I worked for while working on these projects. When a new company buys the rights to old company name they can claim that they created everything they bought.

mongo

05-06-2011, 07:01 AM

tokyoracer

05-06-2011, 07:41 AM

Huh, i'm amazed they have gotten this far with it. Though I'm still not buying the overpriced lump of plastic.

Nlandas

05-06-2011, 07:43 AM

But this "new stuff" is just an ordinary PC, nothing exciting about it.
Also, it has nothing to do with Amiga. The original C64 also had nothing to do with Amiga as such.

Now trust me, I've been around since the A2000 was released and my parents bought one of them to go to college with. I started out on the Vic20 -> C64 -> C64C -> A2000 w/ 8088 Bridgeboard -> A4000/030(one of the first 120 off the boat) w/ 386 BB.

I am all for custom hardware when it makes sense and in the early days it was the only way to get things done. The industry was new and innovations were possible but the industry is in a totally different place now. I am all for FPGA systems that us custom cores to emulate our beloved machines and I'll likely buy one like the MCC-216 too. However, I'm in a different place on all of this than a lot of Amigans.

I personally, think these would be a neat way to capture some of the nostalgia of the old day, while running a modern PC - which BTW - can easily run Amiga Forever or Commodore Forever to emulate the Amiga or C64, or Stella or MAME, etc. Yes, this isn't a C64 and if he builds a PC in an Amiga case, it's not an Amiga. However, as I said, I'm in a different place with this - I kind of like the idea of having a PC inside those classic looking cases. If they aren't a bazillion dollars more than building my own PC, like I normally do - I'll consider it.

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 07:55 AM

I personally, think these would be a neat way to capture some of the nostalgia of the old day, while running a modern PC - which BTW - can easily run Amiga Forever or Commodore Forever to emulate the Amiga or C64, or Stella or MAME, etc.
I could respect that in theory, but CUSA have plainly demonstrated that they don't give a rat's ass about anything but name recognition, and their only official representative around these parts has been nothing but a douche to anybody who doesn't jump on board and start salivating over their novelty PC (the essence of his argument: "this is the new Commodore because we say it's the new Commodore, if you disagree you're stupid and need to shut up.") Even if I wanted something like this, I wouldn't give my money to these people.

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 08:03 AM

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/3847-c64-going-in-production

Very interesting!

:)

This is for real, nobody can say otherwise now. I think it will be a success.

I expect to see another video in the not too distant future of the actual C64x's production line.

Keep the videos coming! :)

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:07 AM

They didn't purchase anything. They have a license to use the name for all in one keyboard computers. That is all.

They have the naming rights, purchased or not. I am sure some deal was made. They can still claim themselves producers of commodore computers.

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:09 AM

Now trust me, I've been around since the A2000 was released and my parents bought one of them to go to college with. I started out on the Vic20 -> C64 -> C64C -> A2000 w/ 8088 Bridgeboard -> A4000/030(one of the first 120 off the boat) w/ 386 BB.

I am all for custom hardware when it makes sense and in the early days it was the only way to get things done. The industry was new and innovations were possible but the industry is in a totally different place now. I am all for FPGA systems that us custom cores to emulate our beloved machines and I'll likely buy one like the MCC-216 too. However, I'm in a different place on all of this than a lot of Amigans.

I personally, think these would be a neat way to capture some of the nostalgia of the old day, while running a modern PC - which BTW - can easily run Amiga Forever or Commodore Forever to emulate the Amiga or C64, or Stella or MAME, etc. Yes, this isn't a C64 and if he builds a PC in an Amiga case, it's not an Amiga. However, as I said, I'm in a different place with this - I kind of like the idea of having a PC inside those classic looking cases. If they aren't a bazillion dollars more than building my own PC, like I normally do - I'll consider it.

I totally agree with you

jorkany

05-06-2011, 08:10 AM

(the essence of his argument: "this is the new Commodore because we say it's the new Commodore, if you disagree you're stupid and need to shut up.")
This is no different from how Hyperion & Co. operate.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:10 AM

True, the Commodore Amigas will be out later this year.

You mean those off -the-shelf desktop PC cases? They're out now if you bother doing a google search and cost around $50.

dammy

05-06-2011, 08:11 AM

They have the naming rights, purchased or not. I am sure some deal was made. They can still claim themselves producers of commodore computers.

They have exclusive rights to AIO computers, other systems do not fall under exclusive rights agreement.

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:11 AM

I could respect that in theory, but CUSA have plainly demonstrated that they don't give a rat's ass about anything but name recognition, and their only official representative around these parts has been nothing but a douche to anybody who doesn't jump on board and start salivating over their novelty PC (the essence of his argument: "this is the new Commodore because we say it's the new Commodore, if you disagree you're stupid and need to shut up.") Even if I wanted something like this, I wouldn't give my money to these people.

If you disagree that this is the new commodore, that is stupid. I think its groovy seeing all these people who have never designed or built anything complain about someone trying to do something. I am however not surprised as so called amigans on this site seem to complain about everything ever done that is even remotely associated with commodore-amiga.

dammy

05-06-2011, 08:12 AM

You mean those off -the-shelf desktop PC cases? They're out now if you bother doing a google search and cost around $50.

And the A500x being designed by Yoz.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:13 AM

And the A500x being designed by Yoz.

And yet "The Daddy" managed it in a fraction of the time with no funding...

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:19 AM

And yet "The Daddy" managed it in a fraction of the time with no funding...

And your point is, is he planning on selling thousands. Are you saying that unless a company does not seek funding, it is not viable, real? I am suprised that someone from Lousiana would have that point of view.

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 08:23 AM

This is no different from how Hyperion & Co. operate.
And when have I ever defended Hyperion?
If you disagree that this is the new commodore, that is stupid. I think its groovy seeing all these people who have never designed or built anything complain about someone trying to do something. I am however not surprised as so called amigans on this site seem to complain about everything ever done that is even remotely associated with commodore-amiga.
There are plenty of Amiga-related projects I haven't complained about, and have expresssed my (cautious) excitement for. But you'll note the phrase "Amiga-related," as in "actually having anything at all to do with the Amiga, and not being a cheap attempt to cash in on a brand you had nothing to do with establishing."

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:25 AM

And your point is, is he planning on selling thousands. Are you saying that unless a company does not seek funding, it is not viable, real? I am suprised that someone from Lousiana would have that point of view.

My point is that C-USA are "behind schedule and sinking" and their Amiga's are not Amigas.

Also check The Daddy's thread and you'll see that C=USA have already "been in touch" and warned him about his cases.

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:26 AM

It actually is amiga related as they will be calling them amigas, even though you don't like it.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:30 AM

It actually is amiga related as they will be calling them amigas, even though you don't like it.

Yeah, and I won't be the only one. So enjoy alienating the target consumer.

I'm waiting to see the complains roll in once people start to call C=USA's "customer service" department. Popcorn at the ready...

Hattig

05-06-2011, 08:30 AM

You mean those off -the-shelf desktop PC cases? They're out now if you bother doing a google search and cost around $50.

I expect that they will make moulds and custom case design for these too when the time comes - if the C64X is a reasonably successful product anyway.

I wouldn't say no to a new Amiga case with cherry key switches and full keyboard, that can hold a mini-itx board, slim optical drive, a couple of 2.5" hard drives and some memory card slots. Gotta have somewhere to stick the FPGAArcade / NatAmi!

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:32 AM

I expect that they will make moulds and custom case design for these too when the time comes - if the C64X is a reasonably successful product anyway.

I wouldn't say no to a new Amiga case with cherry key switches and full keyboard, that can hold a mini-itx board, slim optical drive, a couple of 2.5" hard drives and some memory card slots. Gotta have somewhere to stick the FPGAArcade / NatAmi!

Yeah, I like teh design too. Thankfully I can buy the design elsewhere and add my own Amiga sticker (and no doubt save a bucket-load of cash in the process). :)

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:33 AM

My point is that C-USA are "behind schedule and sinking" and their Amiga's are not Amigas.

Also check The Daddy's thread and you'll see that C=USA have already "been in touch" and warned him about his cases.

I would say they are not that behind schedule being its a new startup. I have seen many established companies push schedules out due to technical difficulties. Boeing, airbus, apple, microsoft to name a few. I guess if you use the name amiga name you are to be held liable for changing schedules. I really do not see why people complain so much, it is not as though you are going to purchase from them. I have an idea, why don't all of you get together and make a new technically equivalent amiga. I would love to support your efforts. I doubt seriously you would get anywhere with it though. On the positive side, you won't have to seek and additional funding as investors will probably leave you alone.

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 08:36 AM

It actually is amiga related as they will be calling them amigas, even though you don't like it.
And if I put dog**** in a soda bottle, it'll taste delicious.

TheDaddy

05-06-2011, 08:36 AM

I expect that they will make moulds and custom case design for these too when the time comes - if the C64X is a reasonably successful product anyway.

I wouldn't say no to a new Amiga case with cherry key switches and full keyboard, that can hold a mini-itx board, slim optical drive, a couple of 2.5" hard drives and some memory card slots. Gotta have somewhere to stick the FPGAArcade / NatAmi!

It sounds suspiciously like one of these two:

http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=15490&start=135

Case with inbuilt keyboard...check
Mini-itx boards check
FlexATX boards...check
Slim Optical Drive (DVD-RW or Bluray)...check

:)

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:37 AM

I'm waiting to see the complains roll in once people start to call C=USA's "customer service" department. Popcorn at the ready...

I am sorry, I didn't realize you worked for there consumer complaints department.

persia

05-06-2011, 08:37 AM

This is confusing, because AIOs typically refer to iMac style computers. It seems to me you're missing a crucial part (the screen).

They have exclusive rights to AIO computers, other systems do not fall under exclusive rights agreement.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:38 AM

I would say they are not that behind schedule being its a new startup. I have seen many established companies push schedules out due to technical difficulties. Boeing, airbus, apple, microsoft to name a few. I guess if you use the name amiga you are to be held liable for changing schedules. I really do not see why people complain so much, it is not as though you are going to purchase form them. I have an idea, why don't all of you get together and make a new technically equivalent amiga. I would love to support your efforts. I doubt seriously you would get anywhere with it though. On the positive side, you won't have to seek and additional funding as investors will probably leave you alone.

Their main problem as I see it is that they ended up with a huge gap between the initial publicity (Tron DVD, media attention) and their ability to actually have models to ship. The initial "wow I want one of those" has now faded into "that was a nice idea".

Now, as to why we don't all get together and make a similar product, we have been for years and years. It is called an off-the-shelf PC running VICE and UAE. Most of us have one thanks.

And, no matter how much you ignore it, you haven't made an "Amiga", you have a PC running Linus. Wow! I've never seen one of them before! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:38 AM

Yeah, I like teh design too. Thankfully I can buy the design elsewhere and add my own Amiga sticker (and no doubt save a bucket-load of cash in the process). :)

I thought you didn't want one?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:39 AM

I am sorry, I didn't realize you worked for there consumer complaints department.

Why would I want to take a huge pay cut?

Do theye even have support department apart from a few sock puppets with an attitude problem?

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:39 AM

And if I put dog**** in a soda bottle, it'll taste delicious.

Well I don't think I will ever try that. I will take your word on it.:roflmao:

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:39 AM

I thought you didn't want one?

Are you really this stupid?

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:43 AM

Are you really this stupid?

you tell me, you seem to have all the answers. :laughing:

persia

05-06-2011, 08:44 AM

The target consumer isn't the Amiga enthusiast. We aren't really big enough to be a target. The Amiga name will probably be less beneficial than the Commodore name. There's far less nostalgia around it. The C64 was from the keyboard computer age, apple, bbc, acorn, atari, sinclair, coleco et al. The Apple ][ was the first personal computer to make it into the home in volume. It's a harkening back to a simpler age. Amiga sits beyond that age. It has cult value, but far less than Commodore.

Yeah, and I won't be the only one. So enjoy alienating the target consumer.

I'm waiting to see the complains roll in once people start to call C=USA's "customer service" department. Popcorn at the ready...

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:47 AM

The target consumer isn't the Amiga enthusiast. We aren't really big enough to be a target. The Amiga name will probably be less beneficial than the Commodore name. There's far less nostalgia around it. The C64 was from the keyboard computer age, apple, bbc, acorn, atari, sinclair, coleco et al. The Apple ][ was the first personal computer to make it into the home in volume. It's a harkening back to a simpler age. Amiga sits beyond that age. It has cult value, but far less than Commodore.

I would agree, most will buy it for the looks(retro). Most young people I know including grandchildren buy new computers, phone, etc just to change the color, or some gadget. They do not care what is on the inside of the case.

number6

05-06-2011, 08:49 AM

Their main problem as I see it is that they ended up with a huge gap between the initial publicity (Tron DVD, media attention) and their ability to actually have models to ship. The initial "wow I want one of those" has now faded into "that was a nice idea".

Not just a delay in the h/w to ship, but also the custom linux OS to go along with it.
This is the difference between having all the freedom in the world to work from your own internal time table, vs having to comply with the time table of a partner, in this case - Disney.
Although I can relate to what you see here, in the long run, I doubt the delay will over shadow the positive aspects PR-wise that Disney has offered them.

#6

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:54 AM

you tell me, you seem to have all the answers. :laughing:

I do. And apparently yes you are.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 08:57 AM

The target consumer isn't the Amiga enthusiast. We aren't really big enough to be a target. The Amiga name will probably be less beneficial than the Commodore name. There's far less nostalgia around it. The C64 was from the keyboard computer age, apple, bbc, acorn, atari, sinclair, coleco et al. The Apple ][ was the first personal computer to make it into the home in volume. It's a harkening back to a simpler age. Amiga sits beyond that age. It has cult value, but far less than Commodore.

Exactly. I fail to see why they're using the Amiga name on PC products. I would have used it to produce a range of cases aimed at the classic, FPGA, OS4 and MorphOS markets as a sideline. Possibly even marketing an actual "Commodore Amiga Minimig" for the Christmas period.

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 08:57 AM

This is no different from how Hyperion & Co. operate.

+1

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 08:59 AM

I do. And apparently yes you are.

I have to disagree. But I will say that you seem a bit manic at times. You also clearly will fight to the death for something you care nothing about. now I would call that...

Franko

05-06-2011, 08:59 AM

Technically, he is correct. Since they purchased the rights to commodore, the first run was in the 80's before they went bankrupt. company's do this all the time. Look up the space shuttle, b1 bomber, and see who made it. It doesn't list the company I worked for while working on these projects. When a new company buys the rights to old company name they can claim that they created everything they bought.

No idea why you chose my post to make the statement above as your reply has nothing to do with the question I posted, rather odd (but then I suppose most stuff in these CUSA threads is odd and arrives from the Twilight Zone)... ;)

As to your other assumption that I went brain dead and watched the video, if you count the half second it took me to click on the thumbs down thingy then nah... don't think you could class that as watching it... :)

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 09:00 AM

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:02 AM

I would agree, most will buy it for the looks(retro). Most young people I know including grandchildren buy new computers, phone, etc just to change the color, or some gadget. They do not care what is on the inside of the case.

LOL. Now you're tripping on weed!

That might work with phones, but young people know all about what is inside a computer and they want performance. People are not going to buy these things for their grandkids, they're going to buy a cheap desktop or $400 laptop running Windows. The kids themselves will want a kick-arse Alienware PC to run the latest games and Linux users are going to want a cheap option and are likely to throw their own solution together.

We've yet to see the reliability of these things and the technical support. The though of you and Dammy manning a phone line in India doesn't fill me with confidence, and good luck with Joe Public who doesn't realise that he's running a computer with Linux and not Windows. 25% of the calls will probably be from people having trouble installing World of Warcraft.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:04 AM

Do it, we are waiting.

Why? I own my own company and I make a very nice wage thank you. Plus, why should I undermine those already working on it (projects like the FPGA Arcade).

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 09:04 AM

No idea why you chose my post to make the statement above as your reply has nothing to do with the question I posted, rather odd (but then I suppose most stuff in these CUSA threads is odd and arrives from the Twilight Zone)... ;)

As to your other assumption that I went brain dead and watched the video, if you count the half second it took me to click on the thumbs down thingy then nah... don't think you could class that as watching it... :)

do not attempt to change the channel, we control the horizontal, vertical, volume and well everything else darnit. :hammer:

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:05 AM

I have to disagree. But I will say that you seem a bit manic at times. You also clearly will fight to the death for something you care nothing about. now I would call that...

We'll have to disagree then.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:05 AM

do not attempt to change the channel, we control the horizontal, vertical, volume and well everything else darnit. :hammer:

Who is this "We"? You're "Barry" and I claim my $5! :D

jorkany

05-06-2011, 09:07 AM

That might work with phones, but young people know all about what is inside a computer and they want performance.
I spoke to my friend's 5-yr-old while he was working on a new Flash game and he said he didn't know what was inside the computer, but he did demand performance.

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 09:12 AM

My point is that C-USA are "behind schedule and sinking" and their Amiga's are not Amigas.

AFAIK, There are no Amigas from Commodore USA yet...

Franko

05-06-2011, 09:13 AM

do not attempt to change the channel, we control the horizontal, vertical, volume and well everything else darnit. :hammer:

Wow... someone who posts bizarre and bull**** reply's just like me, I could ALMOST get to like you... :)

Nah... scratch that... your just weird... :D

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 09:15 AM

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 09:15 AM

LOL. Now you're tripping on weed!

That might work with phones, but young people know all about what is inside a computer and they want performance. People are not going to buy these things for their grandkids, they're going to buy a cheap desktop or $400 laptop running Windows. The kids themselves will want a kick-arse Alienware PC to run the latest games and Linux users are going to want a cheap option and are likely to throw their own solution together.

We've yet to see the reliability of these things and the technical support. The though of you and Dammy manning a phone line in India doesn't fill me with confidence, and good luck with Joe Public who doesn't realise that he's running a computer with Linux and not Windows. 25% of the calls will probably be from people having trouble installing World of Warcraft.

well never did any drugs, as for buying my grandchildren computers and such, they can buy there own or their parents can. I didn't realize all kids were after Alienware computers. I again will take your word for it, since its been a long time since I was a kid. I remember when I was a kid I wanted a, Oh forgot, didnt have computers then. hahha.. Like when my grandkid asked what computer I had in school- I just pointed to my head. Much like you, they did not understand. As far as Commodores reliability concerns, I couldn't really care as they have to take care of it. That is what you do when you start a business.

Franko

05-06-2011, 09:15 AM

AFAIK, There are no Amigas from Commodore USA yet...

And there never will be... cos whatever they like to call them THEY WILL NOT BE AMIGA's ... :rolleyes:

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 09:17 AM

The target consumer isn't the Amiga enthusiast. We aren't really big enough to be a target.

So True!

(And this is why the MorphOS Team's Mac Strategy makes so much sense...)

amiga92570

05-06-2011, 09:18 AM

Wow... someone who posts bizarre and bull**** reply's just like me, I could ALMOST get to like you... :)

Nah... scratch that... your just weird... :D

You make me laugh, Franko

mongo

05-06-2011, 09:18 AM

Just like the other interview I posted a link to a wee while back where Barry claimed they were on their second production run...

The flood of interest that followed this advertisement resulted in a staggering amount of publicity and consumer excitement. During our brief interview, Altman said the company is “already sold out on the first two production runs.” Altman explained that the company is able to produce an average of 60,000 machines per month, which leads us to believe that in less than 48 hours they’ve experienced a brisk run of pre-order sales. While he couldn’t give an exact number, he boisterously exclaimed they’ve already sold “a ton.”

http://videogamewriters.com/commodore-ceo-talks-newstalgia-c64x-sales-and-retro-gaming-6762

If you order now you'll be one of the first people on the planet to get one. - CommodoreUSACTO - 3 days ago.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/3788-any-commodore-64s-shipped

How does that work? Are they going to ship the newest orders first?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:19 AM

I spoke to my friend's 5-yr-old while he was working on a new Flash game and he said he didn't know what was inside the computer, but he did demand performance.

Thanks you. My point exactly.

It isn't really hard to understand really because we all did the same as kids. The VIC-20 was nice until the C-64 appeared and then we wanted that because it was best! Then we wanted the Amiga because it was best and then we wanted more RAM, a 68020 CPU, then a 68030 CPU, then a... etc.

We put up with "slow" in the retro market because it is all we have, but we still dream of 300MHz Coldfire CPU cards arriving one day.

Unfortunately for the C64x, it is taking on the PC mraket and it is lined up directly against much faster and much cheaper offerings. The "look" may be one factor when purchasing it, but so will the OS (and most people are going to want Windows, so factor that into the cost) and they're going to look at the price. If dad can buy little Jimmy a faster computer with more features with a monitor and a all-in-one printer for the same price as a C64x then C=USA are in trouble.

I've used breadbox C64s since I was a kid, but last month I picked up a C64C to use with my Chameleon64. The first thing I noticed was how much more comfortable it was to type on. I know the breadbox design is iconic, but I can't help thinking that from a practical point of view C=USA should have gone with the later design.

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 09:19 AM

Not just a delay in the h/w to ship, but also the custom linux OS to go along with it.
This is the difference between having all the freedom in the world to work from your own internal time table, vs having to comply with the time table of a partner, in this case - Disney.
Although I can relate to what you see here, in the long run, I doubt the delay will over shadow the positive aspects PR-wise that Disney has offered them.

#6

I agree with you on this one.

And some times "internal time tables" tends to be *way too slow* for your *own* good! A certain level of stress isn't always bad...

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 09:23 AM

Exactly. I fail to see why they're using the Amiga name on PC products. I would have used it to produce a range of cases aimed at the classic, FPGA, OS4 and MorphOS markets as a sideline. Possibly even marketing an actual "Commodore Amiga Minimig" for the Christmas period.

AFAIK, they aren't using the Amiga name on *any* products as of yet.

And you have no idea what it will be when it gets here (and neither do I, but I'm not the one making assumptions about it; You are!).

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:24 AM

AFAIK, There are no Amigas from Commodore USA yet...

They have pictures of them on their website. Look under future products (they should have the C64x in there too technically).

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:25 AM

AFAIK, they aren't using the Amiga name on *any* products as of yet.

And you have no idea what it will be when it gets here (and neither do I, but I'm not the one making assumptions about it; You are!).

Again, look under "future products" and look for those pictures of that Android Tablet with the big Amiga sticker on it.

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 09:31 AM

AFAIK, There are no Amigas from Commodore USA yet...
Nor will there be. PCs with an Amiga facade, maybe, if they make enough from whoever still remembers and carea about the C64x by the time it arrives in stores, but not Amigas.

takemehomegrandma

05-06-2011, 09:36 AM

They have pictures of them on their website. Look under future products (they should have the C64x in there too technically).

They have had sooooo many pictures of their website, right? ;)

As long as nobody can buy the thing, I would consider it "conceptual" or "experimental" (to track some response or whatever, I don't know).

*Fact is*, there are no Commodore Amiga's available from them yet, and you have no idea of what it will be when it gets here.

And seeing the production videos here (in combination with the Disney thing) makes me more certain that Commodore USA is here for real, it's not a hoax or whatever, and that they will capitalize on this to be able to do new products in the future (and this is where "Amiga" comes into the picture).

I predict the Commodore Amiga's will be something that looks very much alike the Amiga 500 or Amiga 1200 (probably the former, since its case design/shape is better known to people).

dammy

05-06-2011, 10:14 AM

http://videogamewriters.com/commodore-ceo-talks-newstalgia-c64x-sales-and-retro-gaming-6762

- CommodoreUSACTO - 3 days ago.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/3788-any-commodore-64s-shipped

How does that work? Are they going to ship the newest orders first?

Folks who preorder will get their C64x before those buying it from retail shops. For those who preordered first get their C64x before those who are now ordering.

dammy

05-06-2011, 10:22 AM

Again, look under "future products" and look for those pictures of that Android Tablet with the big Amiga sticker on it.

The only thing I know about the new Amigas, one will be the A500x with a case done by Yoz and it will NOT have Atom CPUs but i5/i7. Other then that, I'm waiting on hard details myself on hardware and COS 2.0 details.

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 10:48 AM

The only thing I know about the new Amigas, one will be the A500x with a case done by Yoz and it will NOT have Atom CPUs but i5/i7. Other then that, I'm waiting on hard details myself on hardware and COS 2.0 details.
Ohhhhh, so it won't be a PC clone, it'll be a PC clone? Suddenly I'm having a change of heart!

mongo

05-06-2011, 10:54 AM

Folks who preorder will get their C64x before those buying it from retail shops. For those who preordered first get their C64x before those who are now ordering.

So they're going to ship out the first two production runs that they claim they have already sold, but if I order now, I will be one of the first people on the planet to get one?

Were the first two production runs sold to people on other planets or something?

AmigaHeretic

05-06-2011, 10:56 AM

Ohhhhh, so it won't be a PC clone, it'll be a PC clone? Suddenly I'm having a change of heart!

Quit playing word games. You know exactly the difference. The C64x is an overpriced PC clone.

The Amiga branded ones will be completely different and you can see that clearly. They are meant to be insanely overpriced as #### PC clones. The difference is obvious commodorejohn. Geez.

:roflmao:

AmigaHeretic

05-06-2011, 10:59 AM

So they're going to ship out the first two production runs that they claim they have already sold, but if I order now, I will be one of the first people on the planet to get one?

Were the first two production runs sold to people on other planets or something?

They sold 10,000s of them to large retail stores they said. However those stores are not selling them. I guess they are using these C64s for there own Point Of Sale machines? Maybe giving them to their own employees as X-Mas presents? :confused:

EDIT:

Hold on, just wait for it................

"Just watch our website real soonish, YOU"LL SEE DAMMIT!"

That's the CUSA tage line, "Just watch our website!"

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:06 AM

@ Dammy

Why do you bother spamming this site with CUSA crap all you get here is the piss ripped out of you and folks having a great time in doing so and showing up CUSA for the sad joke that it is... :)

You're worse then a door to door double glazing salesman who despite the fact you been told not thank you I already have double glazing just keeps coming back in the desperate hope of making a sale... :)

Why do you do it... is it because nobody pays your own forum any attention so you have to come over here in the vain hope that someone will actually listen to you and gawd forbid actually take you seriously... :)

Your deluded Dammy, methinks you can't tell the difference between moobunny and reality, get some help man before you finally teeter over the edge and find their is no way back... ;)

dammy

05-06-2011, 11:10 AM

Ohhhhh, so it won't be a PC clone, it'll be a PC clone? Suddenly I'm having a change of heart!

Call it what you wish, but it will be a Commodore Amiga. What OS runs on a individual is up to that individual. I probably will not buy the A500x but a big box because I plan to run multiple OSs on it. If AROS ever gets SMP, I'll run that as well.

dammy

05-06-2011, 11:12 AM

They sold 10,000s of them to large retail stores they said. However those stores are not selling them. I guess they are using these C64s for there own Point Of Sale machines? Maybe giving them to their own employees as X-Mas presents? :confused:

Retail stores will get their stock after the preorders have been shipped.

broken

05-06-2011, 11:16 AM

Call it what you wish, but it will be a Commodore Amiga.

lol

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 11:17 AM

Call it what you wish, but it will be a Commodore Amiga.
No, it will be a PC clone in a case that says "Commodore Amiga." If I put on a slinky flesh-tone dress, it would not make me Marilyn Monroe.

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:19 AM

Call it what you wish, but it will be a Commodore Amiga. What OS runs on a individual is up to that individual. I probably will not buy the A500x but a big box because I plan to run multiple OSs on it. If AROS ever gets SMP, I'll run that as well.

No it will be (if it ever sees the light of day) a CommodoreUSA LLC Amiga and that doesn't change the fact that it will be nothing to do in any shape or form with a REAL Amiga... :)

Get your sales pitch right... Dammy... :D

dammy

05-06-2011, 11:23 AM

@ Dammy

Why do you bother spamming this site with CUSA crap all you get here is the piss ripped out of you and folks having a great time in doing so and showing up CUSA for the sad joke that it is... :)

There is a skeetter on my leg? <slap> Thanks, I didn't notice the little blood sucker.

You're worse then a door to door double glazing salesman who despite the fact you been told not thank you I already have double glazing just keeps coming back in the desperate hope of making a sale... :)

I know you only been here for less then a year, you will get use to me in a few years.

Why do you do it... is it because nobody pays your own forum any attention so you have to come over here in the vain hope that someone will actually listen to you and gawd forbid actually take you seriously... :)

Your deluded Dammy, methinks you can't tell the difference between moobunny and reality, get some help man before you finally teeter over the edge and find their is no way back... ;)

I am not the one spamming nearly 5,000 post in less in a year on AO. I couldn't possibly do more then two thousand, I'm just not that big of an attention whore.

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:25 AM

Just a quick thought for you to ponder on Dammy for the future. Here in the UK the trademarks for the following names are still free and available to purchase...

A1200x
Amiga 1200x

Now if someone were to purchase them before you know who then they wouldn't be able to sell them here in the UK without breaking the law, methinks Barry has missed this wee point or he realises no one here is going to be dumb enough to buy them and has no intention of even trying to sell them here... ;)

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:35 AM

There is a skeetter on my leg? <slap> Thanks, I didn't notice the little blood sucker.

Poor thing, glad you killed it, it could have ended up catching a nasty infection from you... :)

I know you only been here for less then a year, you will get use to me in a few years.

Wow... you changed your tune (again) I clearly recall you posting on numerous occasions trying to tell everyone I was lying and I must have been online for years... ;)

PS: I'll never get used to how absurd you are... :)

I am not the one spamming nearly 5,000 post in less in a year on AO. I couldn't possibly do more then two thousand, I'm just not that big of an attention whore.

Less than 5000 eh... gawd, I must be getting slow in me old age, how about that skype offer I made, you should hear me talk, my typing has nothing on the speed that I can rattle out words when I'm talking... :)

PS: I'll do me best to up me posting rate if that helps... ;)

PPS: nope your just a whore plain and simple (and most likely a fat ugly one at that)... :)

PPPS: na na na na na.... wheeeeee & wibble.... :D

persia

05-06-2011, 12:00 PM

More production line video

http://www.bibletoyou.com/animated/animations/hist/man_stuck_in_compute.gif

Belial6

05-06-2011, 12:17 PM

Why? I own my own company and I make a very nice wage thank you. Plus, why should I undermine those already working on it (projects like the FPGA Arcade).

Owning your own company means that you can unilaterally make the decision. You don't need to undermine those already working on it. Just source the FPGA from MikeJ, slap out some cases and your good to go. Based on your comments, you should have no problem getting them in stores by Christmas. If you can get them there for a reasonable price, I will buy one.

We all look forward to your new business project.

mongo

05-06-2011, 01:30 PM

They sold 10,000s of them to large retail stores they said.

No. They implied that there could be thousands of sales to large retail stores.

This is what they said :

Without going into any details....let's imagine this; There are quite a few large retail chains...all with more than 1000 locations. An opening order of just 20 pcs/ store= 20,000 units right there alone.

mongo

05-06-2011, 01:35 PM

Retail stores will get their stock after the preorders have been shipped.

Retail stores generally want a firm delivery date before they order any product.

Since they haven't started production yet, how many retail stores do you think have placed orders?

B00tDisk

05-06-2011, 01:46 PM

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 02:09 PM

No. They implied that there could be thousands of sales to large retail stores.
So do we know if there's any real basis for that (besides the magical godly Disney Seal Of Approval (TM)(C)(R),) or is it just true in the sense that I could turn into a giant robot and rampage through Iowa, because there's no conclusive way to say I can't?
The community could use him leaving.
The community could use a hundred more people like him. Well, like him in that he values the Commodore 64 and Amiga for what they are and refuses to pretend that dressing something up in Commodore drag makes it a Commodore, at any rate.

murple

05-06-2011, 02:13 PM

dammy

05-06-2011, 02:19 PM

I stay away from amiga.org for many many weeks thinking when I got back, all these stupid "Commodore" threads would be gone... yet here they still are, top of the pile. Time for another vacation from A.org, I see :(

There are two, one pro and one anti. I can't quiet see two threads as a ton of threads. Best of all, you don't have to read them, that is entirely up to you.

hairy

05-06-2011, 02:24 PM

Sure, just think how quickly they could push CUSA threads out of the first page, if a hundred of them bumps other threads only 4 times... 100x4 = wow, very fast!

Franko

05-06-2011, 02:25 PM

Mongo's got some valid points but poor franko's just coming unhinged. Can't stand the sight of something happening, watches just long enough to negrate (???? really? because they're...doing what people said would never happen? Producing something?), starts **** with Dammy...

The community could use him leaving.

Your entitled to your opinion mate just as I am to mine... ;)

The community could do with you saying something that's either at least worth listening too, amusing or gawd forbid even have some truth in it let alone make sense... ;)

Start **** with Dammy... WTF !!! you can read and follow things can't you, erm obviously not or you wouldn't have made such a stupid claim in the first place... gawd another dunderhied to add to me list... :lol:

Darrin

05-06-2011, 03:43 PM

Owning your own company means that you can unilaterally make the decision. You don't need to undermine those already working on it. Just source the FPGA from MikeJ, slap out some cases and your good to go. Based on your comments, you should have no problem getting them in stores by Christmas. If you can get them there for a reasonable price, I will buy one.

We all look forward to your new business project.

Yawn. I'm afraid I'm rather too successful at what I do now to gamble on a side venture.

runequester

05-06-2011, 03:48 PM

Any screenshots, video etc of their linux distro ?

Any online commentary from people who pre-ordered so far ?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 03:56 PM

Any online commentary from people who pre-ordered so far ?

Yes, we asked the following pre-order customers what they thought:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/1224219726izPp87.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/hurry-up-jesus.png

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/waiting.jpg

...and the reply from C=USA was...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/HurryUpandWait.jpg

crawff

05-06-2011, 04:03 PM

@Murple

Bye

B00tDisk

05-06-2011, 04:09 PM

Yes, we asked the following pre-order customers what they thought:

Now these are people who waited how long for OS4? OS4 for classics? The AmigaOne? The X1K? How long did those (or is that) taking? Months? No, wait - years.

Kinda hypocritical, no? Yeah?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 04:14 PM

Now these are people who waited how long for OS4? OS4 for classics? The AmigaOne? The X1K? How long did those (or is that) taking? Months? No, wait - years.

Kinda hypocritical, no? Yeah?

Not really. The subject is CommodeUSA so strawman arguments about other projects have no relevance unless you want to compare their "partner" Amiga Inc and their coupons...

Oh, and I have an Amiga Inc "coupon" (well, not actually the coupon as they didn't even mail that). I do have the t-shirt though thanks to Garry Hare.

I've got a 50 quid off a "PCI Amiga" coupon somewhere too (but at least Steve offered to refund me on that - I declined).

commodorejohn

05-06-2011, 04:28 PM

Now these are people who waited how long for OS4? OS4 for classics? The AmigaOne? The X1K? How long did those (or is that) taking? Months? No, wait - years.
As someone with no interest in or allegiance to any of the above: a delay is a delay, however many excuses you make for it, and no number of reasons, valid or no, is going to keep people from forgetting the hype from the Tron release or getting bored with waiting.

Belial6

05-06-2011, 04:30 PM

Yawn. I'm afraid I'm rather too successful at what I do now to gamble on a side venture.

So, your too good to follow your own advice huh? Sounds like when called on your claims that you back off real quick. You claim to know how to make a profitable Amiga that is "real". Do it then. If you don't, we can all see that you are talking out your ass.

runequester

05-06-2011, 04:38 PM

Now these are people who waited how long for OS4? OS4 for classics? The AmigaOne? The X1K? How long did those (or is that) taking? Months? No, wait - years.

Kinda hypocritical, no? Yeah?

Depends. If any of those projects took pre-orders, thats a concern. If they didn't, no worry at all.

Nobody is losing sleep over Natami being who knows how many years in the making, because they haven't taken any money for it.

Amiga inc on the other hand took peoples money, and they got burned.

With some credit cards only providing protection within 1-2 months, pre-orders can be dubious.

In the end, some projects (OS4, Sam f.x.) ended up delivering a product. Others never did (pretty much anything promised by amiga inc) or have not yet (X1000).

Once there's stuff in exchange for peoples money, people will mellow out. Until then, not so much.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 04:41 PM

So, your too good to follow your own advice huh? Sounds like when called on your claims that you back off real quick. You claim to know how to make a profitable Amiga that is "real". Do it then. If you don't, we can all see that you are talking out your ass.

I'm a Petroleum Consultant not a furniture salesman.

Shame you don't know the difference. Moron.

TheDaddy

05-06-2011, 04:43 PM

I'm a Petroleum Consultant not a furniture salesman.

Shame you don't know the difference. Moron.

Got to say that a thread always comes alive when Darrin or Franko start posting! :)

digitex

05-06-2011, 05:27 PM

I'm a Petroleum Consultant not a furniture salesman.

Shame you don't know the difference. Moron.

hmmmm 'ya mean " oil rig worker" (spill cleaner)
you are in the Gulf, right?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 05:31 PM

hmmmm 'ya mean " oil rig worker" (spill cleaner)
you are in the Gulf, right?

Do the words -=Moderated=- mean anything to you Barry? I'm sure a disaster that killed people and marine life is amusing to a twunt like you, but I tend to take it a bit more seriously.

No, I don't work in the gulf. I'm still waiting for you to take me up on that offer to come to Lake Charles though.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 05:32 PM

Got to say that a thread always comes alive when Darrin or Franko start posting! :)

and then rapidly goes to hell when Barry turns up. ;)

Kesa

05-06-2011, 06:07 PM

Got to say that a thread always comes alive when Darrin or Franko start posting! :)

That's very true because they are both Scottish and Welsh. This what happens when you let half breeds make posts :D

Darrin

05-06-2011, 06:11 PM

That's very true because they are both Scottish and Welsh. This what happens when you let half breeds make posts :D

Will work for sheep! :p

Kesa

05-06-2011, 06:14 PM

Will work for sheep! :p

Just remember what i said before. Once you reach 10 girlfriends you are legally a shepherd :hammer:

Darrin

05-06-2011, 06:17 PM

Just remember what i said before. Once you reach 10 girlfriends you are legally a shepherd :hammer:

LOL. Actually a shepherd in Wales is known as a Pimp. :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 06:23 PM

That's very true because they are both Scottish and Welsh. This what happens when you let half breeds make posts :D

Oi... you orrible little Englismun you, who got shipped of to the colonies for cracking bad jokes... :madashell:

I ain't no half breed 100% Scottish me with (25% Irish 45% lithuanian 92% Timbuktooian and just a pinch of Alaskan thrown in) so there... :)

Kesa

05-06-2011, 06:23 PM

LOL. Actually a shepherd in Wales is known as a Pimp. :D

LOL. I think it's always a good way to find out if someone is a proud non english halfbreed by asking if they bang sheep or not. It's almost like a secret code. If they answer yes then they are proud of not being english and proud of where they come from. But the english just don't get it. What do you think?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 06:39 PM

LOL. I think it's always a good way to find out if someone is a proud non english halfbreed by asking if they bang sheep or not. It's almost like a secret code. If they answer yes then they are proud of not being english and proud of where they come from. But the english just don't get it. What do you think?

Personally, I just ask them whether they find this sexy:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/1440875785_f1619cdd1f.jpg
:D

Retrofan

05-06-2011, 06:46 PM

Wow! A C=64 vinced by the x86!!! ... BTW... what are we celebrating, that CUSA coudn't find any better to put inside to represent Commodore?

Kesa

05-06-2011, 06:46 PM

This is so fascinating i set up a poll :hammer:

Franko

05-06-2011, 06:47 PM

Personally, I just ask them whether they find this sexy:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/1440875785_f1619cdd1f.jpg
:D

Gawd... the mental image that just popped into me brain of what Welshmen are doing right now after they've spotted that photo has scared me for life... :eek:

PS:Is she a close relative... ;)

Belial6

05-06-2011, 06:55 PM

I'm a Petroleum Consultant not a furniture salesman.

Shame you don't know the difference. Moron.

I'm still not hearing a good reason that your not putting your money where your mouth is. You talk big when telling other people how to invest their money, yet when the suggestion comes that you follow your own advice, you claim your too good for it, and call the person names.

Quite frankly, I would love to see you prove that your not full of hot air. Like I said, I would buy your product.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 07:09 PM

I'm still not hearing a good reason that your not putting your money where your mouth is. You talk big when telling other people how to invest their money, yet when the suggestion comes that you follow your own advice, you claim your too good for it, and call the person names.

Quite frankly, I would love to see you prove that your not full of hot air. Like I said, I would buy your product.

OK, sorry, I thought you were being deliberately ignorant. Allow me to explain again.

I'm giving advice on how C=USA could have marketed the brands of "Commodore" and "Amiga" in a way that would have kept teh whole market happy.

Now, I am allowed to give advice without actually going out and doing it.

I've already put my money where my mouth is this year by buying a pre-release FPGA Arcade and Chameleon64 in order to help fund the release of the final product, so I don't have trouble spending money to support ideas.

However, I'm not teh one who bought the rights to "Commodore", "Amiga" and I hope "Workbench" and "Kickstart" (otherwise Barry could be breaking the law when he releases his PCs with the emulation packages unless they contain a sticker stating "Please use your own Workbench and Kickstart images from your real Amiga" or includes AmigaForever.
Anyway, assuming Barry has the rights, he had the ability to put an Xmas FPGA in the shops. If I was to try it right now (and I really don't have the time because I have a full time job which is why my FPGA Arcade is still in a box in my Man Cave) I'd have to negociate the rights to what I need with Amiga Inc, negociate with Mike for a partnership, arrange production (once all other negociations are agreed) and advertise and distribute the final product.
I'd love to get involved in something like that, but I don't have the time. What I do have the time for is to purchase good products that appeal to me.

I'm still confused as to some of the actions of C=USA. The potential is there, the products are not and their Public Relations is a disaster.

Belial6

05-06-2011, 09:05 PM

OK, sorry, I thought you were being deliberately ignorant. Allow me to explain again.

I'm giving advice on how C=USA could have marketed the brands of "Commodore" and "Amiga" in a way that would have kept teh whole market happy.

Now, I am allowed to give advice without actually going out and doing it.

I've already put my money where my mouth is this year by buying a pre-release FPGA Arcade and Chameleon64 in order to help fund the release of the final product, so I don't have trouble spending money to support ideas.

However, I'm not teh one who bought the rights to "Commodore", "Amiga" and I hope "Workbench" and "Kickstart" (otherwise Barry could be breaking the law when he releases his PCs with the emulation packages unless they contain a sticker stating "Please use your own Workbench and Kickstart images from your real Amiga" or includes AmigaForever.
Anyway, assuming Barry has the rights, he had the ability to put an Xmas FPGA in the shops. If I was to try it right now (and I really don't have the time because I have a full time job which is why my FPGA Arcade is still in a box in my Man Cave) I'd have to negociate the rights to what I need with Amiga Inc, negociate with Mike for a partnership, arrange production (once all other negociations are agreed) and advertise and distribute the final product.
I'd love to get involved in something like that, but I don't have the time. What I do have the time for is to purchase good products that appeal to me.

I'm still confused as to some of the actions of C=USA. The potential is there, the products are not and their Public Relations is a disaster.

Spending a few hundred dollars on a project someone else created is NOT putting your money where your mouth is when you are tell other people how to build businesses. Yeah, it would be great if CUSA decided to run the "Don't Alienate Darrin" charity, but that is not what they did. They are running a business. They didn't run it the way you suggest because what you suggest would be a charity. You clearly believe that to be the case because you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is and invest in your vision.

So, how about this? Why don't you offer to completely bankroll the creation of an FPGA Amiga Compatible in an Amiga case. Since time seems to be your only constraint, and your rolling in so much money that even though you believe it would be profitable, you can't take the time to collect all the money from an FPGA Amiga product, just offer to bankroll the whole thing, and your set.

No doubt, CUSA would entertain a 68k compatible FPGA system one of their cases if you bankrolled it. If not CUSA, then offer to bankroll it for MikeJ or TheDaddy. All of the R&D is basically done. MikeJ has an awsome 68k Amiga compatible platform. TheDaddy is building cases that while I am not too impressed with, have had very good feedback from the users of this site. You have the motherboard. You have the cases. You have the money.

Just do it. Don't make excuses. Don't throw a few hundred at a personal toy and say your putting your money where your mouth is. Put down the real dollars, and get your idea in the stores. I would happily buy your product from the stores, but we both know that you are full of hot air.

Until your 'true' Amiga compatibles hit the store shelves, your claim to know how a business can run is just running at the mouth.

digitex

05-06-2011, 09:42 PM

Spending a few hundred dollars on a project someone else created is NOT putting your money where your mouth is when you are tell other people how to build businesses. Yeah, it would be great if CUSA decided to run the "Don't Alienate Darrin" charity, but that is not what they did. They are running a business. They didn't run it the way you suggest because what you suggest would be a charity. You clearly believe that to be the case because you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is and invest in your vision.

So, how about this? Why don't you offer to completely bankroll the creation of an FPGA Amiga Compatible in an Amiga case. Since time seems to be your only constraint, and your rolling in so much money that even though you believe it would be profitable, you can't take the time to collect all the money from an FPGA Amiga product, just offer to bankroll the whole thing, and your set.

No doubt, CUSA would entertain a 68k compatible FPGA system one of their cases if you bankrolled it. If not CUSA, then offer to bankroll it for MikeJ or TheDaddy. All of the R&D is basically done. MikeJ has an awsome 68k Amiga compatible platform. TheDaddy is building cases that while I am not too impressed with, have had very good feedback from the users of this site. You have the motherboard. You have the cases. You have the money.

Just do it. Don't make excuses. Don't throw a few hundred at a personal toy and say your putting your money where your mouth is. Put down the real dollars, and get your idea in the stores. I would happily buy your product from the stores, but we both know that you are full of hot air.

Until your 'true' Amiga compatibles hit the store shelves, your claim to know how a business can run is just running at the mouth.

Belial6....great idea, but you are just wasting your time. darrin has far too many things going on now for him to devote even a moment of his busy biz nez day to a real business.. As a bonafide self proclaimed "petroleum consultant", he still is having trouble mastering the basic terminology of the industry, like "...high test or regular?", "Mobile One synthetic or 10W40?" and the easiest of all "...fill-er-up?"

Belial6

05-06-2011, 09:55 PM

So there we have it. CUSA is up for discussing your angel investment in a FPGA based Amiga system.

Well Darrin? Are you all hot air, or are you the man you claim to be?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:55 PM

Belial6....great idea, but you are just wasting your time. darrin has far too many things going on now for him to devote even a moment of his busy biz nez day to a real business.. As a bonafide self proclaimed "petroleum consultant", he still is having trouble mastering the basic terminology of the industry, like "...high test or regular?", "Mobile One synthetic or 10W40?" and the easiest of all "...fill-er-up?"

Drone on Barry, you're a pathetic loser and about as unprofessional as you can get. It is going to be very amusing watching you fail. If I was you, I'd get back to practicing how to polish that furniture in the showroom. I get the distinct feeling you're going to make more money off Lazyboys than you are off computers.

I bet your family are proud of you. Discuss that with your analyst at your next meeting as an alternative to your usual anger management issues.

Have fun old boy.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:56 PM

So there we have it. CUSA is up for discussing your angel investment in a FPGA based Amiga system.

Well Darrin? Are you all hot air, or are you the man you claim to be?

Barry isn't up to discussing anything, and if you could actually read English you would understand that. Unless you would like to point out where Barry offered to share his Amiga and Workbench rights with me.

Franko

05-06-2011, 09:56 PM

Belial6....great idea, but you are just wasting your time. darrin has far too many things going on now for him to devote even a moment of his busy biz nez day to a real business.. As a bonafide self proclaimed "petroleum consultant", he still is having trouble mastering the basic terminology of the industry, like "...high test or regular?", "Mobile One synthetic or 10W40?" and the easiest of all "...fill-er-up?"

Hi Barry Boy...

Mind if I ask you a few questions... Oh you do mind... well tough luck, I'm gonna ask anyway... :)

Why is Barry Altman attempting to produce crap ... :)

-Moderator edit-

There was pretty much only one question left after removing all the ones that were in violation of the TOS rules regarding personal insults / abuse. Can we try to tone it down a bit?

TheBilgeRat

05-06-2011, 09:56 PM

How do you get this:

So there we have it. CUSA is up for discussing your angel investment in a FPGA based Amiga system.

Well Darrin? Are you all hot air, or are you the man you claim to be?

...from THIS:

Belial6....great idea, but you are just wasting your time. darrin has far too many things going on now for him to devote even a moment of his busy biz nez day to a real business.. As a bonafide self proclaimed "petroleum consultant", he still is having trouble mastering the basic terminology of the industry, like "...high test or regular?", "Mobile One synthetic or 10W40?" and the easiest of all "...fill-er-up?"

Darrin

05-06-2011, 09:58 PM

How do you get this:

...from THIS:

I think we've just worked out that Balial6 is one of Barry's sock puppets. :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 09:58 PM

So there we have it. CUSA is up for discussing your angel investment in a FPGA based Amiga system.

Well Darrin? Are you all hot air, or are you the man you claim to be?

Why is your tongue covered in Barry Altman faeces... :)

Why are you such a retard... :)

Why don't you just bugger off... :)

WHY... :D

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:00 PM

Spending a few hundred dollars on a project someone else created is NOT putting your money where your mouth is when you are tell other people how to build businesses. Yeah, it would be great if CUSA decided to run the "Don't Alienate Darrin" charity, but that is not what they did. They are running a business. They didn't run it the way you suggest because what you suggest would be a charity. You clearly believe that to be the case because you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is and invest in your vision.

So, how about this? Why don't you offer to completely bankroll the creation of an FPGA Amiga Compatible in an Amiga case. Since time seems to be your only constraint, and your rolling in so much money that even though you believe it would be profitable, you can't take the time to collect all the money from an FPGA Amiga product, just offer to bankroll the whole thing, and your set.

No doubt, CUSA would entertain a 68k compatible FPGA system one of their cases if you bankrolled it. If not CUSA, then offer to bankroll it for MikeJ or TheDaddy. All of the R&D is basically done. MikeJ has an awsome 68k Amiga compatible platform. TheDaddy is building cases that while I am not too impressed with, have had very good feedback from the users of this site. You have the motherboard. You have the cases. You have the money.

Just do it. Don't make excuses. Don't throw a few hundred at a personal toy and say your putting your money where your mouth is. Put down the real dollars, and get your idea in the stores. I would happily buy your product from the stores, but we both know that you are full of hot air.

Until your 'true' Amiga compatibles hit the store shelves, your claim to know how a business can run is just running at the mouth.

I'm not making excuse, I'm trying to explain to a child (you) why I'm not interested. However, you don't want to listen. I think you've been asked just to waffle on.

Kesa

05-06-2011, 10:03 PM

How do you get this:

...from THIS:

Are you supposed to be supporting C=USA and not going against them? :confused:

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:05 PM

Why is your tongue covered in Barry Altman faeces... :)

Why are you such a retard... :)

Why don't you just bugger off... :)

WHY... :D

Because Barry has asked him to be here.

I'm still not sure why C=USA are here, unless it is because EAB and AW have laughed them off. Still, they'll be off soon. Barry's blood pressure is sky high at the moment and no amount of whisky and crack is going to help at this point.

Can you imagine Steve Jobs or Bill Gates acting like him on these forums? He's like a retarded Charlie Sheene with half the tallent. Still his little public tantrums will make great sound-bites for ZDNet, etc for their next articles.

You have to laugh at "Spoilt Brat Syndrome" when you see it. I guess for too long he's been used to having his own way running his little inherited business into the ground and can't seem to grasp just how unlikeable he is and how his business practices and ethics impress hardly anyone. I'm on my second bag of popcorn already and I hate popcorn. :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:11 PM

@ Darrin

Oh don't worry ever little word Barry has ever uttered around here is carefully catalogued and will be released to the press just when Barry boy thinks he is about to hit the big time... :)

The poor fool will go down in history as being the world most idiotic business man ever and boy what a party I'll have that day... :)

Hope the old fool doesn't kick the bucket first with his high blood pressure that would spoil my fun... ;)

Belial6

05-06-2011, 10:14 PM

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:15 PM

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:17 PM

You keep throwing insults, but I still don't hear anything about you putting your money where your mouth is. I only hear whining about CUSA not donating to the "Darrin's too busy making tons of money" charity.

The MiniMig predates CUSA getting rights to Amiga IP. The field was wide open for you to make a mint with an FPGA based Amiga.

Insult all you want. Make excuses all you want. Until you put your money where your mouth is, your just blowing hot air.

Hi Sock Puppet.

I don't need excuses, I have a job and you're talking out of your ass and displaying an inability to either read of understand what I've typed.

Still, you're amusing. You should really apply for the PR job at C=USA.

TheBilgeRat

05-06-2011, 10:18 PM

Are you supposed to be supporting C=USA and not going against them? :confused:

Since when do you take me for a CUSA supporter? :confused:

Kesa

05-06-2011, 10:23 PM

Since when do you take me for a CUSA supporter? :confused:

Unless if i'm mistaken but aren't you an employee of C=USA? If i'm wrong i'm sorry, if i'm not wrong then i'm double sorry.

Belial6

05-06-2011, 10:23 PM

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:23 PM

How many whisky glasses do you think he's hurled at the wall tonight?

I can see him muttering to himself right now while rocking back and forth in his chair. :D

None... he get's Dammy to throw them for him and Leo to clean up the mess... :D

Think his business must be doing really well these days NOT, I mean if I were producing all those items and run off my feet with orders I'd sure have time to visit forums and spout ****e wouldn't you... :lol:

The guys retarded but hey I'm not fussy who I rip the piss out of, equal rights for all, that's me... :)

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:23 PM

Are you supposed to be supporting C=USA and not going against them? :confused:

He was questioning Dammy Jr's lack of logic and his amazing ability to make 1+1=25.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:24 PM

Unless if i'm mistaken but aren't you an employee of C=USA? If i'm wrong i'm sorry, if i'm not wrong then i'm double sorry.

I think you have the wrong guy there. :)

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:26 PM

Franko, You'll supply Darrin with Amiga OS and Kickstarts, right? You claim that you can legally do that. Your not going to act tough like a barking dog behind a fence that cowers when the gate is opened, right?

Are you prepared to supply the OS and kickstarts?

Awww. Poor Dammy Jr is still having trouble grasping English. :(

He doesn't need to, I have them already and Franko never said anything about "Kickstarts".

Isn't it time you downloaded some porn? :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:26 PM

Franko, You'll supply Darrin with Amiga OS and Kickstarts, right? You claim that you can legally do that. Your not going to act tough like a barking dog behind a fence that cowers when the gate is opened, right?

Are you prepared to supply the OS and kickstarts?

Anybody who want's OS 1.3 to 3.1 can have it freely courtesy of yours truly, never claimed I can legally do that so it's obvious you have reading difficulties as well as being Barry stand by arse licker... :)

Open the gate and find out for yourself big boy... :lol:

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:29 PM

None... he get's Dammy to throw them for him and Leo to clean up the mess... :D

Think his business must be doing really well these days NOT, I mean if I were producing all those items and run off my feet with orders I'd sure have time to visit forums and spout ****e wouldn't you... :lol:

The guys retarded but hey I'm not fussy who I rip the piss out of, equal rights for all, that's me... :)

Yes, his timing is somewhat unusual considering what is "supposed" to be happening. It demonstrates a complete lack of focus and neglect. Perhaps we should send him some Ritalin?

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:29 PM

Unless if i'm mistaken but aren't you an employee of C=USA? If i'm wrong i'm sorry, if i'm not wrong then i'm double sorry.

You been drinking again Kesa !!!

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:30 PM

You been drinking again Kesa !!!

Hey Franko, considering the time difference, have you just got up or did you forget to go to sleep? :D

Belial6

05-06-2011, 10:31 PM

Hi Sock Puppet.

I don't need excuses, I have a job and you're talking out of your ass and displaying an inability to either read of understand what I've typed.

Still, you're amusing. You should really apply for the PR job at C=USA.

And you show that you are a lair. You accuse me of being a sock puppet for a CUSA employee, and in the same post suggest I apply for a job at CUSA. Either your a liar that is knowingly making false accusations, or your too stupid to remember what you typed two sentences earlier. Of course, it could be both.

You can see from my join date that I have been registered on this site for 2 months longer than you have. Your claim that I am a sock puppet would suggest that you believe CUSA has had an almost decade long plan to put out 'fake' Amigas. Do you realize how crazy that is?

And if you believe that I am a sock puppet, then you would also believe that CUSA is pushing you to discuss your investment in what you claim would be a money making venture. All you have to do is write the checks instead of complaining about how someone else who has put their money on the table handles their business.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:33 PM

And you show that you are a lair. You accuse me of being a sock puppet for a CUSA employee, and in the same post suggest I apply for a job at CUSA. Either your a liar that is knowingly making false accusations, or your too stupid to remember what you typed two sentences earlier. Of course, it could be both.

You can see from my join date that I have been registered on this site for 2 months longer than you have. Your claim that I am a sock puppet would suggest that you believe CUSA has had an almost decade long plan to put out 'fake' Amigas. Do you realize how crazy that is?

And if you believe that I am a sock puppet, then you would also believe that CUSA is pushing you to discuss your investment in what you claim would be a money making venture. All you have to do is write the checks instead of complaining about how someone else who has put their money on the table handles their business.

LOL. You still can't understand, can you. Awwwww.

Still, you're working hard for that free C64x.

Keep it comming, we're laughing every minute. :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:33 PM

TheBilgeRat

05-06-2011, 10:33 PM

Unless if i'm mistaken but aren't you an employee of C=USA? If i'm wrong i'm sorry, if i'm not wrong then i'm double sorry.

Umm? No. :D

S'all good.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:36 PM

I've only had less than 4 hours sleep over the past 3 days, been too busy on here putting Amigaland to rights to sleep... :)

Noticed Barry boys scarpered and left poor mug BekkyButton6 behind to clean up the mess again... :D

Yes, but poor ButtBandit6 seems to have severe learning difficulties. Poor chap. Still, he seems nice enough and I think we should keep him. He's far more amusing than watching grass grow.

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:40 PM

Yes, but poor ButtBandit6 seems to have severe learning difficulties. Poor chap. Still, he seems nice enough and I think we should keep him. He's far more amusing than watching grass grow.

Yup gotta keep the muppets around for amusement purposes, when Drammy got banned for three days I got the shakes and BendyBum6 is a treasure trove of laughs, need to look after our pets you know... :D

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:44 PM

Yup gotta keep the muppets around for amusement purposes, when Drammy got banned for three days I got the shakes and BendyBum6 is a treasure trove of laughs, need to look after our pets you know... :D

Does he need to be fed and watered? What about toilet training? I think we need to put down some newspaper for him just in case. Page 3 of The Sun is always a favourite.

Kesa

05-06-2011, 10:47 PM

Page 3 of The Sun is always a favourite.

You love her so much you **** on her face? :madashell:

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:51 PM

Does he need to be fed and watered? What about toilet training? I think we need to put down some newspaper for him just in case. Page 3 of The Sun is always a favourite.

I think they live on hot air actually, but they do leave a hell of a lot of jobbies behind for such cute wee critters... :)

Just remember to give them a good telling off when they start barking too loudly, a good slap across the snout with a rolled up copy of PlayBoy usually does the trick... :)

Belial6

05-06-2011, 10:53 PM

Darrin

05-06-2011, 10:56 PM

Franko

05-06-2011, 10:59 PM

You keep throwing out insults, and keep making excuses, but that doesn't get an FPGA Amiga in the stores.

Franko, all you have to do is supply the Kickstarts and Workbench images to Darrin and sign a contract indemnifying him against lawsuit. There. I opened the gate for you. You claim to be after whoever owns the copyright, and challenge them to come forward. That will happen a whole lot faster when Darrin is selling his new Amigas in retail outlets. The Amiga gate is open and ready for you to run free. Are you going to bite?

Nope... no biting here I aint got me teeth in right now... :D

Do you really expect me to take your "advice" or even take anything you have to say seriously... :lol:

You're a Barry Bum Boy for gawds sake therefore a legitimate target for being exposed for the fool you are, so stop trying to pretend that anything you say is going to be read by anyone as trying to make a point... :)

What you say is for amusement purposes only, now get back in your basket, there's a good boy... sit... :)

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:02 PM

Awwww, look Franko, it's back again.

These strawman arguments of yours are very strange. Is this your best attempt of "smoke & mirrors"? You're not very good at it, are you?

Aww... poor wee chap he's got confused now and wandered off into another thread, need a bit more housetraining this one... :D

Darrin

05-06-2011, 11:06 PM

Aww... poor wee chap he's got confused now and wandered off into another thread, need a bit more housetraining this one... :D

I wonder why he's so obsessed with getting me to change my line of work?

Actually, I have a theory! He's probably worried that the whole C=USA thing is going to fail and he's obviously recognised my outstanding abilities and wants me to lead the new Amiga revolution!

Well, either that or he's just trying to cover up and trying desperately to avoid addressing C=USA's dodgy business practices. :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:13 PM

I wonder why he's so obsessed with getting me to change my line of work?

Actually, I have a theory! He's probably worried that the whole C=USA thing is going to fail and he's obviously recognised my outstanding abilities and wants me to lead the new Amiga revolution!

Well, either that or he's just trying to cover up and trying desperately to avoid addressing C=USA's dodgy business practices. :D

He's hoping you'll build one new Amiga that he can then buy and you'll give him a job like Janitor or tea boy cos Barry has nothing to sell after he sold his to Leo so there are no more jobs to be had at CUSA... :)

Either that or he's after your body... :eek:

Gwad... it's after 6:am on a Saturday now, I came here on Tuesday (I think), time for me to get 3 hours kip and refresh the old brain cell, hold the fort till I get back and keep those vermin under control... :)

Night All...

Or should I say...

Morning All... :)

Belial6

05-06-2011, 11:13 PM

@Darrin

No smoke and mirrors. No strawmen. Just a challenge to put your money where your mouth is. Make an FPGA based Amiga and sell it in stores, or accept that your idea was unrealistic.

@Franko

So, tail between the legs it is. No matter how many insults you throw, it doesn't change the fact that you boasted, and when called on it, you ran back to bark from an open gate.

TheBilgeRat

05-06-2011, 11:16 PM

money where your mouth..."is".

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:19 PM

@Darrin

No smoke and mirrors. No strawmen. Just a challenge to put your money where your mouth. Make an FPGA based Amiga and sell it in stores, or accept that your idea was unrealistic.

@Franko

So, tail between the legs it is. No matter how many insults you throw, it doesn't change the fact that you boasted, and when called on it, you ran back to bark from an open gate.

Gawd... shut up would you some of us are trying to sleep...

I never boasted, I wasn't called on anything, didn't run to bark from anywhere... :(

Jeesus are you as thick as Dammy or just pretending, what the frig are you gibbering about man, and hurry up before I nod off...

Darrin

05-06-2011, 11:21 PM

@Darrin

No smoke and mirrors. No strawmen. Just a challenge to put your money where your mouth. Make an FPGA based Amiga and sell it in stores, or accept that your idea was unrealistic.

It isn't my project to sell, I already have a job that doesn't give me enough free time to embark on something like that, Mike has the ability and the intent to sell them himself and just because I'm not in the business of computer sales doesn't mean I can't be critical of someone else's business plan.

FPGA in stores for Xmas is very realistic, especially if it is able to be sold with a selection of Kickstart ROMs and WB3.x.

Perhaps attempts have been made to contact Amiga Inc for licenses. Perhaps they have failed to respond. What do you think?

@Franko

So, tail between the legs it is. No matter how many insults you throw, it doesn't change the fact that you boasted, and when called on it, you ran back to bark from an open gate.

are you still ignoring the Kickstart point made several posts back? Deliberately ignoring?

Darrin

05-06-2011, 11:22 PM

money where your mouth..."is".

Any guesses as to where BellEnd6 likes to put his mouth? :D

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:29 PM

@ Darrin

If BendyBandy6 made a point at me regarding Kickstart then I must have missed it with all the tears of laughter in my eyes... :)

@ BandyAndy6andabit

I aint got nothing to do with Kickstart at the moment, I'm too busy trying to find out who owns the rights to Workbench, so get back to me when you have a point that I may have an interest in and I might even attempt to answer it for you (can't guarantee I'll do it without what you call insults) but I'll gladly answer a question that actually concerns me... understand or do you no comprehendy... jeebus... :rolleyes:

Belial6

05-06-2011, 11:35 PM

And you just keep with name calling. Time will tell whether CUSA will make money or not, but because they don't try to make money the way you want them to, you make personal attacks, and throw around insults.

Claiming that you can't sell FPGA Amigas is a total cop out. If you couldn't buy and resell MikeJ's boards, you could easily sell MiniMigs. Yet, you don't. CUSA has made it clear that they don't think money could be made with an FPGA based Amiga in retail stores. Between you and CUSA, there is only one person that thinks FPGA based Amigas in the retail market can make money. And only one has put real money.

And, what you are doing is not even close to just being "critical of someone else's business plan". You are making personal insults against not only members of CUSA, but anyone that would suggest that they want what CUSA is selling.

Darrin

05-06-2011, 11:38 PM

@ Darrin

If BendyBandy6 made a point at me regarding Kickstart then I must have missed it with all the tears of laughter in my eyes... :)

It was a few posts back. He seems to think that you've laid claim to Kickstart too and that you're able to supply it to me. I pointed out that you've done no such thing, but he ignores any statements of facts and then keeps waffling on about FPGA Arcade production runs and thinks that unless I produce some then I'm not allowed an opinion... or some BS like that. It is kind of hard to follow him as ge seems incapable of understanding answers and answers questions with other totally unrelated questions.

Perhaps he's a bot? Or something like that old Elizer program?

Bellend6: What is your name?
Darrin: Darrin.
Bellend6: Hello Darrin. Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up
Darrin: I have a job.
Bellend6: Elephants are pink. Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up.
Darrin: I don't have the time.
Bellend6: Quarter to twelve. Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up.
Darrin: What's this got to do with Barry's dodgy business?
Bellend6: I like the Dodge Charger, don't you? Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up.
etc, etc, etc

:D

Darrin

05-06-2011, 11:42 PM

And you just keep with name calling. Time will tell whether CUSA will make money or not, but because they don't try to make money the way you want them to, you make personal attacks, and throw around insults.

Yes, time will tell. Unfortunately it will be quite some time if progress so far is anything to go by.

Claiming that you can't sell FPGA Amigas is a total cop out. If you couldn't buy and resell MikeJ's boards, you could easily sell MiniMigs. Yet, you don't. CUSA has made it clear that they don't think money could be made with an FPGA based Amiga in retail stores. Between you and CUSA, there is only one person that thinks FPGA based Amigas in the retail market can make money. And only one has put real money.

Yawn. No it isn't sock-puppet and people are already selling Minimigs. You don't seem to understand business. Small markets with products already selling in them are not exactly a good investment, especially when I already have a sucessful business.

And, what you are doing is not even close to just being "critical of someone else's business plan". You are making personal insults against not only members of CUSA, but anyone that would suggest that they want what CUSA is selling.

I shall point out that C=USA has been insulting and threatening people. Is there any reason why you're ignoring that, sock puppet?

Franko

05-06-2011, 11:46 PM

It was a few posts back. He seems to think that you've laid claim to Kickstart too and that you're able to supply it to me. I pointed out that you've done no such thing, but he ignores any statements of facts and then keeps waffling on about FPGA Arcade production runs and thinks that unless I produce some then I'm not allowed an opinion... or some BS like that. It is kind of hard to follow him as ge seems incapable of understanding answers and answers questions with other totally unrelated questions.

Perhaps he's a bot? Or something like that old Elizer program?

Bellend6: What is your name?
Darrin: Darrin.
Bellend6: Hello Darrin. Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up
Darrin: I have a job.
Bellend6: Elephants are pink. Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up.
Darrin: I don't have the time.
Bellend6: Quarter to twelve. Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up.
Darrin: What's this got to do with Barry's dodgy business?
Bellend6: I like the Dodge Charger, don't you? Make some FPGA Arcades or shut up.
etc, etc, etc

:D
:roflmao:

That was worth holding me eyes open with matchsticks to stay awake... :D

Think you've hit the nail on the head we've been trying to converse with a badly programmed AI that's obviously got a few wires loose... :)

We'll now that problems solved I can get some shut eye safe in the knowledge that BingoBongo6 is really the left over bits from Number 7 from Short Circuit and that's why he's been reduced to number 6... :)

Gawd... I hope his power pack runs out soon... zzzzzzzzzzz

Darrin

05-06-2011, 11:48 PM

:roflmao:

That was worth holding me eyes open with matchsticks to stay awake... :D

Think you've hit the nail on the head we've been trying to converse with a badly programmed AI that's obviously got a few wires loose... :)

We'll now that problems solved I can get some shut eye safe in the knowledge that BingoBongo6 is really the left over bits from Number 7 fro Short Circuit and that's why he's been reduced to number 6... :)

Gawd... I hope his power pack runs out soon... zzzzzzzzzzz

LOL. Well mine has run out. Time for bed as I have some work to do in the morning. More money to make!!!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/austin_powers_goldmember.jpg

TheBilgeRat

05-06-2011, 11:51 PM

Any guesses as to where BellEnd6 likes to put his mouth? :D

Zing!

warpdesign

05-07-2011, 05:01 AM

I don't think it would be a good idea to contact evil, inc. for any licence stuff. And what's the point now that AROS kickstart is around the corner anyway ?

dammy

05-07-2011, 07:25 AM

Wow! A C=64 vinced by the x86!!! ... BTW... what are we celebrating, that CUSA coudn't find any better to put inside to represent Commodore?

The only thing that could be done is with ARM. I've briefly talked to Barry about the cost reduction to the EFIKA i.mx53 that has a targeted OEM cost of $50 and he seem interested. But for right now, for the C64x, the D525 was a good choice back in 2010 and should work well for the rest of 2011.

dammy

05-07-2011, 07:36 AM

He was questioning Dammy Jr's lack of logic and his amazing ability to make 1+1=25.

Why don't you stop bothering to read this thread if it's getting you that upset? I know the success C=USA is having during it's pre order period is making your predictions and venom looking pretty feeble, but give it a rest already.

dammy

05-07-2011, 08:04 AM

Nope... no biting here I aint got me teeth in right now... :D

Do you really expect me to take your "advice" or even take anything you have to say seriously... :lol:

You're a Barry Bum Boy for gawds sake therefore a legitimate target for being exposed for the fool you are, so stop trying to pretend that anything you say is going to be read by anyone as trying to make a point... :)

What you say is for amusement purposes only, now get back in your basket, there's a good boy... sit... :)

Amazing. I've read all the insults you and Darrin have thrown at people who dare to speak differently. Why are you doing such hard core trolling for? Is it to save face that your piracy has been slapped down now twice by the AO moderators? Then Disney slaps down your video from Youtube? Is it that at your advanced age with no life that you feel compelled to dominate a popular website and only allow your personal opinions to reign free? All others are subject to constant attacks and your fancy mouth work will save your ass when you go over the line? Seems that more advances C=USA makes, the worse your attacks become.

In the near future, C=USA will be releasing a new video of the C64x's actual production line, all the way to where it's being boxed up for shipment. That should be 1,000-1,200 unit's a day, so 5,000-6,000 units each week that will be produced and shipped to those who pre-ordered. Yet it'll be months before they can complete production on the major retailer's stock. All the hate you have posted as done what to slow or stop that from happening? Barry gets to laugh all the way to the bank while you are a failure wasting your time posting garbage that effects nothing. Is that all you have left in life to do now, wallow in failure?

What a sad real life you must live. You have my pity.

dammy

05-07-2011, 08:05 AM

I don't think it would be a good idea to contact evil, inc. for any licence stuff. And what's the point now that AROS kickstart is around the corner anyway ?

That was the main intent for the kickstart bounties.

Darrin

05-07-2011, 08:10 AM

Why don't you stop bothering to read this thread if it's getting you that upset? I know the success C=USA is having during it's pre order period is making your predictions and venom looking pretty feeble, but give it a rest already.

Who's upset? I'm laughing. :)

rebraist

05-07-2011, 09:05 AM

why all this hatred?

switch(cusa_market)
{
case (BIG):
{
commodore=cusa;
break;
}

case (VERY_LITTLE):
{
hoax=cusa;
break;
}

default:
{
if (1)
{
stupid=hate;
}
break;
}
}

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 09:25 AM

The only thing that could be done is with ARM. I've briefly talked to Barry about the cost reduction to the EFIKA i.mx53 that has a targeted OEM cost of $50 and he seem interested. But for right now, for the C64x, the D525 was a good choice back in 2010 and should work well for the rest of 2011.
If Barry is really this almighty Disney (TM)(C)(R)-Approved Businessman, he could put some of his High and Holy Money towards a project that actually has something to do with the C64 or the Amiga. But he's not, because what he cares about isn't bringing back something he loves, it's making a fast buck on nostalgics.

Franko

05-07-2011, 09:36 AM

@ Dammy

To clear up a couple of points it's not Piracy until the copyright owners (if they exist) step forward or their legal reps and contact me about the items and choose whether to take legal action or not, only a court of law can decide if it's Piracy, not you nor anyone else who has no legal business in this matter... ;)

I've told you before and you know fine well it was not Disney who made the complaint, it was CommodoreUSA LLC or are you calling the owners of YouTube liars now.

You don't get it do you, CUSA could become the the biggest success story of all time for all I care but I would still attack them, Why... simple, they have taken the Commodore, C64 and Amiga name and used them to produce a pile of overhyped and overpriced pieces of crap that are a disgrace to the legacy of the real C64 and seemingly the Amiga (if such an item should ever appear)... ;)

As for the name calling etc... just remember who started all that BS, Leo Negro and yourself who since way back last year be it on this forum, FaceBook or other forums have been telling folk crap like "you'd better get used to it blah, blah, blah" and all the other ****e you have spewed out at folk... ;)

So quote away all the figures you want, I aint interested in them, rest assured as long as CUSA is around and I'm still breathing then I shall continue to say what I think of them whether you or anyone else likes it or not... :)

As for you're pity, no thanks I don't need it so stick it where the sun don't shine... ;)

Now... let the name calling begin... :D

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 09:38 AM

Money towards a project that actually has something to do with the C64 or the Amiga

maybe in the future. Though I doubt it since pretty much everything directly related to Amiga or Commodore has been a total sales disaster, with a few notable exceptions like C64DTV.
I kinda like the 1541 NAS server with a 5.25" drive idea that they have in mind. That's about as far as you can take it without loosing money.

Belial6

05-07-2011, 09:48 AM

No, he cares about running a viable business that is more than a hobby project. No doubt, Darrin isn't the only one that CUSA would be prepared to have an FPGA based Amiga bankrolled by.

The few anti-CUSA trolls here keep claiming that CUSA should make this or that, and yet they won't put their money where their mouth is. CUSA has put down the money, and shown they mean business.

How about you. Darrin and Franko have run back behind the open Gate to do their barking. They keep barking, but they won't come out into the yard where it actually take money. So, they keep making their noise but don't produce anything. How about you. What do YOU think a real Amiga project is, and when are you going to put the money down to prove it is profitable?

(To be fair, Franko has posted Workbench disks on his obscure site, so his is more like the chihuahua that runs out and barks up close before running back behind the fence to make his menacing growls.)

So, how about you Dammy? Are you prepared to buy Darrin's FPGA based Amiga when you see it in retail stores this Christmas? I know I am, as long as he has it reasonably priced. I'm even prepared to do it if it comes pre-installed with AROS and not actual Workbench.

Darrin

05-07-2011, 09:53 AM

maybe in the future. Though I doubt it since pretty much everything directly related to Amiga or Commodore has been a total sales disaster, with a few notable exceptions like C64DTV.
I kinda like the 1541 NAS server with a 5.25" drive idea that they have in mind. That's about as far as you can take it without loosing money.

That's because the C64DTV was a cheap product that did what it said on the box: Play some preloaded games and plugged into a normal TV.

The main selling point was that it was CHEAP. Let me repeat that, because it is very important: IT WAS CHEAP. So cheap that I bought one just to check it out and it probably got used 10 times before I went back to my real C64/C128.

C=USA has two main problems that I can see:

#1. Their products are not cheap compared to similar systems.
#2. They're running Linux which is not going to appeal to everyone and is going to be an absolute bastard for them to support.

Let's not even mention the fact that the customer doesn't even know what he is buying software-wise which is probably due to the fact that they still don't know what they're going to be loading on the hard drive. Now that is worrying at this late stage.

Darrin

05-07-2011, 09:55 AM

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 09:57 AM

maybe in the future. Though I doubt it since pretty much everything directly related to Amiga or Commodore has been a total sales disaster, with a few notable exceptions like C64DTV.
I kinda like the 1541 NAS server with a 5.25" drive idea that they have in mind. That's about as far as you can take it without loosing money.
That's not at all true. Plenty of Amiga and C64-related projects have been successful - it's just the hyped-up alleged "revivals" by the various con artists who acquired the name rights that have been disasters. Products like Minimig have succeeded well enough that you can actually buy them, and that's just a hobby project that's all grown up - an Amiga project with actual funding by a Real Businessman like Barry is claimed to be could accomplish so much more.
The few anti-CUSA trolls here keep claiming that CUSA should make this or that, and yet they won't put their money where their mouth is. CUSA has put down the money, and shown they mean business.
Nice that anybody who doesn't jump to Barry's tune is a "troll." Speaking for myself, if I had the money I absolutely would put it towards an FPGA Amiga - only problem is, I don't. But CUSA hasn't "put down the money" on anything that shows their interest in or dedication to the CBM or Amiga communities - just a few cheap-ass brandings of pre-existing PC clones, and now this project to make a quick buck off people who get the nostalgies bad enough that they don't realize how overpriced it is for what it offers.

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 10:15 AM

Products like Minimig have succeeded well enough that you can actually buy them, and that's just a hobby project that's all grown up - an Amiga project with actual funding by a Real Businessman like Barry is claimed to be could accomplish so much more.

Doubt it... there's a small market for things like Minimig or Natami. And once you have it covered there's nowhere to go. Oh sure, faster FPGA's will be coming in the future but it will remain an expansive product over which many will prefer a simple UAE setup - faster and cheaper.
I'd like to do a Coldfire based Amiga(strictly speaking, AROS68K) acc but I wouldn't want to turn it into a serious business because there really isn't one.

But CUSA hasn't "put down the money" on anything that shows their interest in or dedication to the CBM or Amiga communities

That's because the majority of today's Amiga or CBM communities are centered over outdated and unmarketable technology. Surely nobody with an actual brain between their ears would invest any serious money into something like that? A hobby, sure, but pouring down millions into it is a sure way of loosing money.

mongo

05-07-2011, 10:16 AM

They're running Linux which is not going to appeal to everyone and is going to be an absolute bastard for them to support.

Support? This is their idea of support :

One of the main reasons for providing Ubuntu is that it will take some time to set up official support for Commodore OS.
You can purchase Ubuntu support in the meantime from Canonical.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/8-commodore-os-howto-and-help/3574-howto-find-infohelp-for-ubuntu-1004?lang=en#3584

Darrin

05-07-2011, 10:19 AM

Support? This is their idea of support :

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/8-commodore-os-howto-and-help/3574-howto-find-infohelp-for-ubuntu-1004?lang=en#3584

Oh, so they won't be providing support even for Linux! Well that will help to reduce their costs. :D

Actually, it does answer one of my concerns because I'm desperately trying to calculate how they are going to recover their advertising costs (which I believe to be a hell of a lot lower than people think) and payrole the staff (webmaster, sales department, advertising department, shipping department, technical support department, legal department, etc). It is looking more an more like a garage industry preneding to be a multinational.

Franko

05-07-2011, 10:25 AM

@ Belial6

Hi BendyBum6 , what's your fascination with dog's and gates... sounds kinky... ;)

Speaking as one Troll to another here, I have never EVER said CUSA should make this or that but you can't seem to understand that (do you have learning difficulties) all I have ever said is CUSA can make whatever they want but please don't use the names Commodore, C64, Amiga or Workbench and pretend all over the web and media that they are anything to to with the original Commodore, C64, Amiga or Workbench... ;)

Now even with your obvious learning difficulties, surely that's clear enough and simple enough for you to understand... ;)

At the end of the day your only points seems to be, you like to talk about dogs & gates and tell other folk to go out and start up a business. Are you drumming up business for Crufts or trying to start up your own business as a business advisor... :)

Quite honestly you don't make the slightest bit of sense in anything you say, I reckon you're just a SpamBot that has spent too much time on kennel club, garden centre & business advisory sites and the limited vocabulary you've picked up from them limits you in your responses with real people...:)

Try spamming some other sites first and see if you can learn some new words, moobunny would be a good place to start, plenty of strange and interesting words to be found there (especially by Dammy) that you could pick up, but don't go to CUSAs site all you'll pick up there is a disease and bull****... :)

mongo

05-07-2011, 10:26 AM

Darrin

05-07-2011, 10:27 AM

Do you honestly believe that they've sold that many? Seriously?

Unfortunately he probably does. :D

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 10:31 AM

Doubt it... there's a small market for things like Minimig or Natami. And once you have it covered there's nowhere to go. Oh sure, faster FPGA's will be coming in the future but it will remain an expansive product over which many will prefer a simple UAE setup - faster and cheaper.
Excuse me? Have you seen how much Amigans will spend on hardware? There's people here who own a dozen ECS or AGA machines, half of which are upgraded with high-end accelerators, RTG, and God knows what else. If you produced an improved FPGA Amiga, there's people here who'd buy five of them, and if you included a simple expansion bus, you could make twice that much selling them upgrades after!
That's because the majority of today's Amiga or CBM communities are centered over outdated and unmarketable technology. Surely nobody with an actual brain between their ears would invest any serious money into something like that? A hobby, sure, but pouring down millions into it is a sure way of loosing money.
No offense, but that's a load of ****. Retro hardware is bigger now than it's ever been - look at how many different VLSI-based console clones are being produced by Chinese pirate companies, almost all with perfectly reasonable degrees of accuracy, and all of them selling well enough that more than a dozen competing products can co-exist for extended periods of time and still turn a profit at $50 apiece! Initial investment for an improved Amiga might cost a bit, but if there was a company willing to put some time and money into it so that a similar solution could be developed, they could most certainly make money at it.

runequester

05-07-2011, 10:36 AM

In the near future, C=USA will be releasing a new video of the C64x's actual production line, all the way to where it's being boxed up for shipment. That should be 1,000-1,200 unit's a day, so 5,000-6,000 units each week that will be produced and shipped to those who pre-ordered. Yet it'll be months before they can complete production on the major retailer's stock.

http://videogamewriters.com/commodore-ceo-talks-newstalgia-c64x-sales-and-retro-gaming-6762

Altman explained that the company is able to produce an average of 60,000 machines per month, which leads us to believe that in less than 48 hours they’ve experienced a brisk run of pre-order sales. While he couldn’t give an exact number, he boisterously exclaimed they’ve already sold “a ton.”

60.000 machines per month in the beginning of april ?

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 10:37 AM

Excuse me? Have you seen how much Amigans will spend on hardware?

And have you seen how many amigans are there today? It's a limited market and it would be difficult for it to grow outside of that because of very limited appeal to the outsiders.

No offense, but that's a load of ****. Retro hardware is bigger now than it's ever been - look at how many different VLSI-based console clones are being produced by Chinese pirate companies, almost all with perfectly reasonable degrees of accuracy, and all of them selling well enough that more than a dozen competing products can co-exist for extended periods of time and still turn a profit at $50 apiece! Initial investment for an improved Amiga might cost a bit, but if there was a company willing to put some time and money into it so that a similar solution could be developed, they could most certainly make money at it.

Well, there you have it... not even the chinese are willing to do Amigas. :lol:

Darrin

05-07-2011, 10:51 AM

60.000 machines per month in the beginning of april ?

Dammy has trouble understanding the difference between "able" and "have".

Mankind is able to send a manned mission to Mars, however we have sent men to the Moon. :)

You did notice in the "interview" that Barry was unable to give any sales figures (again). I don't know about you, but as the owner of a company I would demand to have those figures daily and I'd certainly be able to provide yesterday actual sales and pre-order figures. It seems they're more interested in tracking how many people click on their website than we actually buy their products.

I really hope that people are not being invited to invest money in this scheme.

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 10:52 AM

And have you seen how many amigans are there today? It's a limited market and it would be difficult for it to grow outside of that because of very limited appeal to the outsiders.
Hardly. My point is that you're not going to sell just one machine to everybody on Aorg and AW and Amibay and then be done with it - the Amiga community is your starting point. To go back to the console-clone deal, it's not just the retro console community that buys these machines - there's obviously a much vaster market than the die-hards, or there's no way that this many competing products could all stay profitable.

Same goes for the Amiga - your first customers would of course be the people here, but once you've got the design worked out and get it professionally optimized so you can manufacture it with a cheap VLSI and sell it for a lower price than you could with an FPGA, you'd get everybody coming out of the woodwork who would be interested in such a machine but doesn't want to drop the kind of money on it that long-time Amigans would.

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 11:02 AM

Hardly. My point is that you're not going to sell just one machine to everybody on Aorg and AW and Amibay and then be done with it - the Amiga community is your starting point. To go back to the console-clone deal, it's not just the retro console community that buys these machines - there's obviously a much vaster market than the die-hards, or there's no way that this many competing products could all stay profitable.

Same goes for the Amiga - your first customers would of course be the people here, but once you've got the design worked out and get it professionally optimized so you can manufacture it with a cheap VLSI and sell it for a lower price than you could with an FPGA, you'd get everybody coming out of the woodwork who would be interested in such a machine but doesn't want to drop the kind of money on it that long-time Amigans would.

You can't play on the price-to-performance ratio with an Amiga-like VLSI design. Smartphones would run circles around it, for less money. Not to mention the lack of software or a serious OS. The only people who'd be interested in such a machine are amigans and that's a too small of a market to invest in a VLSI design in the first place - so it's sort of a catch 22 situation.
The NATAMI/FPGA arcade board and similar machines are the way forward for the enthusiast amigans and that's the maximum you can expect to get in this market.

runequester

05-07-2011, 11:09 AM

Dammy has trouble understanding the difference between "able" and "have".

Mankind is able to send a manned mission to Mars, however we have sent men to the Moon. :)

You did notice in the "interview" that Barry was unable to give any sales figures (again). I don't know about you, but as the owner of a company I would demand to have those figures daily and I'd certainly be able to provide yesterday actual sales and pre-order figures. It seems they're more interested in tracking how many people click on their website than we actually buy their products.

I really hope that people are not being invited to invest money in this scheme.

Their website says they'll ship between late may and early june. So I am guessing we'll know pretty soon.

Franko

05-07-2011, 11:16 AM

If Barry boy is confident in his products then why does he not allow anyone to comment on them on the sites he uses to try and get free advertising for his business ie: FaceBook & YouTube... ;)

Simple answer is, Barry does not want the mugs who may buy his products to be advised by others that these products are nothing to do with the real Commodore products which certain idiots in the press have been conned into believing and therefore damaging any potential sales he may get.... :)

Once these products are finally released and in the hands of the mugs, sorry, users then it will soon be realised they have bought nothing more than an overpriced off the shelf parts PC running an emulator they could have got for free and like all these retro computers & consoles the novelty soon wears off and they disappear and are only ever seen again on places like eBay... :)

What's Barry's next business venture in a years (or less) time when the novelty wears off, bringing back the Sinclair C5 and claiming Sir Clive is back but this time it's powered by an emulated battery or something even more ambitious like bringing back the dead (emulated of course) but passed off as being the real dearly departed... :)

Gawd... give me strength... :rolleyes:

koaftder

05-07-2011, 11:24 AM

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 11:53 AM

You can't play on the price-to-performance ratio with an Amiga-like VLSI design. Smartphones would run circles around it, for less money. Not to mention the lack of software or a serious OS. The only people who'd be interested in such a machine are amigans and that's a too small of a market to invest in a VLSI design in the first place - so it's sort of a catch 22 situation.
Of course you're not going to compete with ARM SoCs - but who says you're trying to? Market as another retro-gaming machine that just happens to have one hell of a leg up on the original Amiga while still being as compatible with it as the Famicom/Genesis clones are with their respective machines, and you'll draw in gamers as well as the Amigans who'd be buying it anyway.
The NATAMI/FPGA arcade board and similar machines are the way forward for the enthusiast amigans and that's the maximum you can expect to get in this market.
Natami might be the maximum we can expect to get from a hobby project - but not from something bankrolled by a Real Businessman. Someone like Barry is alleged to be could provide something more powerful and/or more cost-effective than Natami in its present state, and ought to know that - if the cared, which he doesn't.

danwood

05-07-2011, 11:56 AM

If Barry is really this almighty Disney (TM)(C)(R)-Approved Businessman, he could put some of his High and Holy Money towards a project that actually has something to do with the C64 or the Amiga. But he's not, because what he cares about isn't bringing back something he loves, it's making a fast buck on nostalgics.

This, indeed anyone I've spoken to who was a fan of the C64 and is aware of this project has felt the same, that it's kind of an insult to the C64's memory. The same thing was said by Leo Laporte on TWIT, Patrick Norton on Tekzilla and also Darren Kitchen on Hak5 last month, most the tech news community frowned up on it.

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 11:58 AM

Someone like Barry is alleged to be could provide something more powerful and/or more cost-effective than Natami in its present state, and ought to know that - if the cared, which he doesn't.

Of course he doesn't care... neither would I. Not unless I was super rich and needed to loose some money fast for tax deductions.

danwood

05-07-2011, 11:58 AM

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 12:06 PM

Of course he doesn't care... neither would I. Not unless I was super rich and needed to loose some money fast for tax deductions.
If he doesn't care, then he shouldn't have claimed that he cares in interviews.

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 12:09 PM

If he doesn't care, then he shouldn't have claimed that he cares in interviews.

I guess different people care for same things in different ways.
Besides, I don't see any connection between NATAMI and caring about Amiga or Commodore brands.
Like I said, I'd like to do a coldfire based acc but I wouldn't care to make it a business because I (still) have some brains left.

Franko

05-07-2011, 12:14 PM

Because the comment fields would be chock full of your inane crap.

Hey I cant help it if Barry boy is peddling inane crap like you call it... :)

PS: Still no excuse not to allow accurate and factual comments and product descriptions on these site he uses to get free advertising... ;)

With all that money he claims to have for advertising why does he need to use Facebook and YouTube to advertise for free... simple the guys a con-merchant and bull****ter... :)

number6

05-07-2011, 12:17 PM

Of course he doesn't care... neither would I. Not unless I was super rich and needed to loose some money fast for tax deductions.

Years ago perhaps...in these economic times only a smaller and more elite group needs to lose money.
Anyway...losing money fast is ®Amiga Inc., and I'm sure that's not your goal.

#6

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 12:27 PM

I guess different people care for same things in different ways.
Excuses, excuses. Weak.
Besides, I don't see any connection between NATAMI and caring about Amiga or Commodore brands.
Brands, hell! I'm talking about caring about the thing.

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 12:29 PM

Brands, hell! I'm talking about caring about the thing.

The Thing is dead. Has been for some 15-20 years now. The only thing you can do is mourn after it, it's way past caring.

runequester

05-07-2011, 12:32 PM

I guess different people care for same things in different ways.
Besides, I don't see any connection between NATAMI and caring about Amiga or Commodore brands. .

I think thats pretty much the core of the disputes.

Some people care about the software (morph, aros, os4) or hardware (68k, natami, minimig)

Some people care about the names (amiga, commodore)

runequester

05-07-2011, 12:33 PM

The Thing is dead. Has been for some 15-20 years now. The only thing you can do is mourn after it, it's way past caring.

I guess the Morph OS, AROS and Natami people didn't get the memo.

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 12:36 PM

I guess the Morph OS, AROS and Natami people didn't get the memo.

I was talking about custom hardware concept and 68K on desktop computers, but yes.... AROS, MOS or Natami are not typical commercial projects, but hobbies for a selected circle of people interested in it.

TheBilgeRat

05-07-2011, 12:39 PM

I was talking about custom hardware concept and 68K on desktop computers, but yes.... AROS, MOS or Natami are not typical commercial projects, but hobbies for a selected circle of people interested in it.

Custom hardware, dead? Nvidia and ATI, Creative would all like a word with you. 68k as a desktop platform is pretty dead, though.

Franko

05-07-2011, 12:41 PM

The Thing is dead. Has been for some 15-20 years now. The only thing you can do is mourn after it, it's way past caring.

Just shot yourself in the foot again... :lol:

If as you claim it's been dead all those years and its way past caring then why are you such a CUSA a FanBoy when all they are producing are imitations of these things you claim are way past caring about... ;)

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 12:46 PM

Custom hardware, dead? Nvidia and ATI, Creative would all like a word with you. 68k as a desktop platform is pretty dead, though.

I was referring to the Amiga concept of the desktop custom hardware computer. On consoles, it is still very much alive(even if most components are modifications of reference designs).

commodorejohn

05-07-2011, 01:09 PM

The Thing is dead. Has been for some 15-20 years now. The only thing you can do is mourn after it, it's way past caring.
Just because you say it's dead doesn't make it so. Plenty of people have been doing way more than mourn it - they've kept it alive, improved it, and are even working on full-on revival projects for it. If Barry wanted to be a part of that, I'd welcome him with open arms (whether he agreed with me on my 68k OCS-descendant leanings or favored something like the PPC approach.) But he doesn't - he only wants to exploit a brand name.
I was talking about custom hardware concept and 68K on desktop computers, but yes.... AROS, MOS or Natami are not typical commercial projects, but hobbies for a selected circle of people interested in it.
Uhh...MorphOS is a commercial product. Minimig is a commercial product. Natami is going to be a commercial product. What makes CUSA's PC clones count as a "typical commercial project" when these don't? Is it volume? Is commercial legitimacy just a question of a financial popularity contest?

WolfToTheMoon

05-07-2011, 01:19 PM

Just because you say it's dead doesn't make it so.

If it was only me that was saying it...

Plenty of people have been doing way more than mourn it - they've kept it alive, improved it, and are even working on full-on revival projects for it.

Yes... those are hobby projects.

(whether he agreed with me on my 68k OCS-descendant leanings or favored something like the PPC approach.)

If he wanted to spend a large sum of money on a custom hardware project he would do ARM or x86, certainly not 68K or PPC(talk about shooting yourself in the foot, twice, on purpose). And he would run UNIX-oid on it, certainly not any of the AOS reimplementations.

CSixx

05-07-2011, 01:23 PM

You sell PC's.. This is not the forum for you.

runequester

05-07-2011, 01:26 PM

I was talking about custom hardware concept and 68K on desktop computers, but yes.... AROS, MOS or Natami are not typical commercial projects, but hobbies for a selected circle of people interested in it.

I think you are attributing a bigger meaning to the notion of "commercial" than needs to be applied.

If you sell a product for money, its a commercial project. Nobody argues that Apple isn't a commercial project, even though mac's are something like 5% of desktop computers.

If there's people willing to buy your product, and you can recoup your costs, you won. Entirely possible for amiga stuff.

If you are looking to make a bigger profit, then you obviously need to find something people want to buy (ipods f.x.) , or can't avoid buying (windows)

Probably not the case for amiga stuff in this day and age.