Can we move all the CUSA threads?

[orb85750]

Can the CUSA threads be moved to a more appropriate place, such as Other Operating Systems? It's not really Amiga, so it really doesn't belong under Amiga-related threads.

[Rob]

Can the CUSA threads be moved to a more appropriate place, such as Other Operating Systems?

Don't you mean Coffee House > Entertainment.

[foleyjo]

Can the CUSA threads be moved to a more appropriate place, such as Other Operating Systems? It's not really Amiga, so it really doesn't belong under Amiga-related threads.

I vote this one gets moved first

[persia]

Maybe to the Frankoholics Anonymous group?

[Digiman]

About time C=USA rubbish is heavily moderated and all the posts relating to their PCs be placed in appropriate x86 PC section.

[broken]

Perhaps we need a Science Fiction area?

Or perhaps Fairy tales?


Ohhhh, just thinking about talking about Unicorns, leprechauns and Commodore USA gets me all giddy inside!

[klx300r]

About time C=USA rubbish is heavily moderated and all the posts relating to their PCs be placed in appropriate x86 PC section.

+ 1

[Franko]

Maybe to the Frankoholics Anonymous group?

SWINE... :madashell:

That place is buggered up as it is without shoveling a barrow load o this keech in there too... :(

Ship it off to the ex-colonies I say... OZ would be a great place to bury it, all that dry desolate land with nothing but dust and the few odd camels, shepoids, and dangeroos roaming about... and I ain't talking about Melbourne here... :D

[LordSpunky]

Or just simply stop talking about C=USA and delete them?....Simples!

[_ThEcRoW]

Or simply don't read them.

[LordSpunky]

Or simply don't read them.

Well I suppose I could.....that would be more simple.....hmmm....but if they're here I wanna read it!

[itix]

Can the CUSA threads be moved to a more appropriate place, such as Other Operating Systems? It's not really Amiga, so it really doesn't belong under Amiga-related threads.

AFAIK they have the name so it is the official Amiga, right?

[Belial6]

AFAIK they have the name so it is the official Amiga, right?

They have the name. They are discussing making an A500 replica case, they claim they will be shipping the very OS that Commodore wrote themselves and that shipped with the original Amigas.

Obviously unreleased products are fair game for discussion here, as RetroReplay was discussed heavily, and can only sort of be considered released. Natami is still not released, and is discussed. X1000 is discussed. Whether the product is released or not is clearly only a rationalization for some individuals.

C-USA and Clanto are the only entities currently entertaining the sale of the real Amiga OS. MiniMig, RetroReplay and Natame are the only entities currently discussing the sale of Native AmigaOS hardware.

So, the whiners that keep trotting out that the new Amigas have not shipped, or are not 68k machines are just rationalizing their bad behavior.

We get it. Some of you have your Amiga flavor of choice, and hate anything that doesn't fit your particular view of 'Amiga', but there are those of us that do want to hear about CUSA, and their plans for Amiga.

The real problem isn't CUSA. It is a proclivity for trolling in the Amiga community. It seems to be a long standing tradition.

[djrikki]

Camels in OZ Franko (lol frank oz)... are you sure? Funny all the same.

'C=USA and Cloanto are the only entities currently entertaining the sale of the real Amiga OS'... I've never heard so much crap in my life... since when did C=USA own AmigaOS? And case you didn't know already, although I suspect you just came here to troll, these machines as far as we all know up to now will be supplied with Linux and and (jests) a wallpaper!! Cloanto doesn't provide an OS per se, it provides emulation.

Now, many Amiga users may not like the march of time and progress aka Classic Amiga (the past) and Next Generation Amiga (the present), but they do all share one value thing in common - a shared operating system - Workbench and AmigaOS.

In short C=USA is simply using the name for its own gain.

Trolling is not just a problem of the Amiga community, I would imagine it exists on practically every web-based forum in some way, shape or form.

C=USA is the problem and will always be the problem as long as the operating system isn't remotely Amiga.

Secondly, C=USA already have their very own forum for their alternative operating system - 'that bares no resemblance to AmigaOS, AROS or MorphOS'.

Personally if I owned this site I'd put a blanket ban on the use of the word C=USA here and lock the Alternative Operating Systems forums for the next 6 months.

[Belial6]

Camels in OZ Franko (lol frank oz)... are you sure? Funny all the same.

'C=USA and Cloanto are the only entities currently entertaining the sale of the real Amiga OS'... I've never heard so much crap in my life... since when did C=USA own AmigaOS? And case you didn't know already, although I suspect you just came here to troll, these machines as far as we all know up to now will be supplied with Linux and and (jests) a wallpaper!! Cloanto doesn't provide an OS per se, it provides emulation.

Not all Amiga users may not like the march of progress aka Classic Amiga (the past) and Next Generation Amiga (the present), but they do all share one value thing in common - a shared operating system - Workbench and AmigaOS.

In short C=USA is simply using the name for its own gain.

Trolling is not just a problem of the Amiga community, I would imagine it exists on practically every web-based forum in some way, shape or form.

C=USA is the problem and will always be the problem as long as the operating system isn't remotely Amiga.

Secondly, C=USA already have their very own forum for their alternative operating system - 'that bares no resemblance to AmigaOS, AROS or MorphOS'.

Personally if I owned this site I'd put a blanket ban on the use of the word C=USA here and lock the Alternative Operating Systems forums for the next 6 months.

CUSA has said they have the rights to distribute AmigaOS and will be doing so on their systems. The only other entity that has distribution rights to AmigaOS is Clanto. Claiming that the AmigaOS that was written for and shipped on the original Amigas isn't even remotely Amiga is simply absurd.

[Duce]

C-USA has said a lot of things, Belial6. As for AmigaOS, I assure you the manual I am holding right now for AmigaOS (4.1 for SAM 440) doesn't have "by Cloanto" on it....

[Franko]

Camels in OZ Franko (lol frank oz)... are you sure? Funny all the same.

Erm... wasn't meant to be funny, thought it was common knowledge that there are Camels in upsidedown land... ;)

Aussie Humpbacks... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel)

[Cammy]

EAB solved their C=USA problem by simply merging every new thread about it into a single one, so if anyone actually does want to read about them it's easier since it's all in the same thread, not spread out all through the forum.

[smerf]

Can the CUSA threads be moved to a more appropriate place, such as Other Operating Systems? It's not really Amiga, so it really doesn't belong under Amiga-related threads.

Hi,

I beg to differ, CUSA has paid money for the Amiga trademark, so they should come under the Amiga threads. If anything we should move the really fake and dormant OS's like MorphOS, and AROS who are trying to impersonate the Amiga OS systems. These are not real systems they are impersonations.

Now CUSA has bought all the rights for the Amiga trademark, so all I can say is brace yourself for the new, this matter should of happened years ago.

MorphOS is for MACS, so why not call it a fake MAC.
AROS is I really don't know. Does not compute, at least on every computer I put it on.
Hyperion's OS 4.0 a new OS for old archaic MAC type computers. A real fraud. If they would of stayed with PPC boards made for the Amiga's I would condone their product, but since they are being run equipment made about 10 years ago, all I can say is with the words heard around the Amiga Community "What do I do next?"

smerf

[smerf]

C-USA has said a lot of things, Belial6. As for AmigaOS, I assure you the manual I am holding right now for AmigaOS (4.1 for SAM 440) doesn't have "by Cloanto" on it....

Hi,

And the computer you bought doesn't have the name "Amiga" on it either.

A complete forgery.

smerf

[SamuraiCrow]

There is no spoon? There are no new Amigas.

[orb85750]

AFAIK they have the name so it is the official Amiga, right?

If you are not joking, I have a suggestion: Go to your favorite dictionary and look up the word NOMINAL.

[Lurch]

Just don't read them, here's another point the more you talk about said threads the more it promotes them ;-)

All publicity is a good thing be it good or bad :-)

[mongo]

Now CUSA has bought all the rights for the Amiga trademark, so all I can say is brace yourself for the new, this matter should of happened years ago.

No they didn't.

Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries.

Considering that the Amiga computers on their site are not all-in-one keyboard computers, they don't even have a license for the Amiga computers they are planning on selling.

[Belial6]

C-USA has said a lot of things, Belial6. As for AmigaOS, I assure you the manual I am holding right now for AmigaOS (4.1 for SAM 440) doesn't have "by Cloanto" on it....

Are you seriously trying to claim that just because someone slaps an Amiga label on a box, that it suddenly becomes an Amiga? Either "real" AmigaOS is the OS made and sold by the original Commodore, or it isn't.

[gertsy]

I reckon if Franko went to Hollywood and became a singing star he would say:
"Relax, Don't do it!"
It's news, It's Amiga related by association. Chill and let it slide. In 24 months they'll be a distant memory.
If C=USA isn't topical news how come the threads about it are always the highest posters ?

@djrikki, Franko is right, there are hundreds of thousands of wild camels in the SA/NT outback. They were brought in as beasts of burden in the outback, one important reason was to build the railway in the last half of the 1800's, they were managed by their muslim owners who were all labelled Afghan's by the people of the time. The name of the Adelaide to Darwin train eventually became "The Ghan" in honour of them.

[Duce]

@ Smerf I said my SAM runs AmigaOS. It runs native C=, 68k, Amiga apps just fine. Said nothing more than that. I bought a SAM 440ep mobo, with AmigaOS 4.1. Taking lessons from Dammy, are we? C-USA runs eff all, they haven't shipped a darned thing yet. Thank you, come again. Cite your sources on what rights C-USA has on the Amiga name. On their website it's for the all in ones, and nothing more. Facts - not BS like "Barry told me baw baw". The fanboys on the C-USA side of the fence are doing so much harm to what might be a company with very noble intentions that it's not even funny.

[gertsy]

Also because of the sheer weight of all the posts in the C=USA threads if the streams were merged together a time/space anomaly would be created that would cause all PeeCees in the world to be instantly replaced with high end Amiga computers from a parallel reality. Like the laptop I'm using in my Avatar.

Hey let's give it a try...!

[_ThEcRoW]

I honestly, don't know what's wrong with it. They have licensed the name, so have the rights. People that don't like it, don't buy it, but reminding again again and again the same lines is boring.
The last time i went here the name of the site was amiga.org, a site to talk and discuss everything amiga.

[Kesa]

The last time i went here the name of the site was amiga.org, a site to talk and discuss everything amiga.

You're absolutely right. But the problem is CUSA don't make Amigas...

[number6]

@mongo


I think I've found the source of the most recent confusion...a recently edited wiki page for Commodore USA.

"Barry Altman, the company's president, purchased the trademarks to both Commodore and Amiga in September of 2010.[4]"
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_USA)

This line is being taken as fact and used in recent news articles such as:
Dated today (http://www.oyetimes.com/lifestyle/technology/10820-the-commodore-64-is-making-a-comeback-what)

However, C=USA website still says:
"Commodore® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, BV, registered in the United States and other countries. Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries."
Source (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutUs.aspx)

Ahh...then it got posted without question as history:
Source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/2079-questionsand-answers?limit=15&start=75&lang=en#3036)

btw, the wiki citation for their facts, doesn't say what is claimed in the wiki.
It may seem trivial to some, but "purchased" and "licensed" have two different meanings.

#6

[Franko]

Hmm... a quote from Barry on the article Number6 was refering too...

"Altman would not say how many units the company has sold but says, "It well surpassed our expectations and we're in our second production run now."

Source:

InformationWeek.com (http://www.informationweek.com/articles/229401217?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All)

Is it just me or what... but when did the first production run finish, how many were sold & shipped or am I going bammy here... :confused:

[SamuraiCrow]

@Franko

Maybe he's referring to the C64 look-alike PC.

[mongo]

@Franko

Maybe he's referring to the C64 look-alike PC.

Considering that the molds are not finished yet, I'd say not likely.

More likely is that Barry is full of ****.

Seriously, would you buy a computer from that website? There's no pictures of the actual product. There's no information about service, or support, or warranty. All there is, is a few renders and a link to click on so you can give them money and they'll give you a computer sometime in the future. There's no reviews anywhere of the product, of course, because nobody has ever used one, because they don't exist.

Yet Barry would have you believe that he has managed to sell thousands of them. Do you believe him?

[haywirepc]

"It well surpassed our expectations and we're in our second production run now."

This is precisely why they keep getting so much flack. How many times will they be caught with their pants down. If no molds are even finished yet, how can they be on their second production run?

They also first said retail stores will be getting delivery first, now they say users who pre-order will be getting them first.

Over a year of hype, announcements, more hype, a website stolen from apple, more announcements, fake pictures of prototypes that don't exist, and more. Not one person got a computer except for their "Chief technical officer" who bought a cybernet pc with a commodore sticker on it, but hey he got a job out of the deal.

I challenge them to show us a video of any of their "Amiga line" actually assembled and working. I don't think they even bought the cases yet, just copied pictures off the suppliers website.

Why would you announce products you haven't even got a working prototype of yet? Thats ludicrous, but then that is the "amiga way" I suppose, at least for the last 10 years it has been.

Steven

[orb85750]

CUSA is a marketing company -- and not a good one. What other company do you know that markets their continuously changing "vision" before realizing their prior (now defunct) ideas? Talk about lacking credibility, they have largely ruined themselves before even getting started. Has any other company cycled through this much vaporware in such a short period of time? It's laughable, in my very humble opinion.

[A1260]

CUSA is a marketing company -- and not a good one. What other company do you know that markets their continuously changing "vision" before realizing their prior (now defunct) ideas? Talk about lacking credibility, they have largely ruined themselves before even getting started. Has any other company cycled through this much vaporware in such a short period of time? It's laughable, in my very humble opinion.

...and they even have sold out the first production run, incredible. talking of going against all the odds here, hehe.