Time for C= USA to go yes/no?

[Digiman]

Do you want C= USA's fancy cased x86 Linux PC news/threads allowed or banned here (as this is not a site for x86 PC owners)?

Vote now!

[Darrin]

I'm sorry, do you want us to vote "yes" for C=USA ads to go or "yes" for allowed? Where's the "pancakes" option?

[Kesa]

Agreed. This vote is too complicated. Even for me. I have no preference either way but maybe they could put the threads not on the home page and move it to the forums page. But while they are at it they could move the Coffee House to the home page :)

[koaftder]

I don't have a problem with the cusa stuff. I like hearing about what they're doing with the brand.

At the very worst CUSA's efforts will have zero effect on the community. If CUSA is even marginally successful at what they're doing it will only mean more people have heard about AROS/MorphOS/Hyperion OS/Classic, etc. It's win-win all around.

[magnetic]

Of course we want Commodore usa to stay there are actually doing something.

[Iggy]

This is silly. AROS is X86 "stuff".
Why even post this?
Who needs additional censorship?

[bloodline]

Do you want C= USA's fancy cased x86 Linux PC news/threads allowed or banned here (as this is not a site for x86 PC owners)?

Vote now!
Really getting bored of the CUSA hate, I don't care if you want to bitch about them that's fine, I will just ignore them as I do most of the pro CUSA threads... But if Amiga owners want to talk about CUSA products of this site, then why not? I like to talk about loads of stuff not all Amiga related.

Don't force your censorship on me.

[commodorejohn]

Strictly speaking I'm opposed to banning discussion of a topic just because I don't like it - but I would like it if people would stop starting a new thread to praise the glorious CUSA revolution every time Barry Altman so much as farts.

[Digiman]

Vote yes for it is time for them to be taken away and no to continue seeing their products in news section.

Just a simple vote, open for 7 days. Opinions/excuses optional :)

edit: Should have made it clearer, you are ONLY voting whether they are valid official news announcements NOTHING ELSE.

[Magitius]

I think Amiga.org is about _all_ Amigas, not just classic, NG or whatever anyone prefers...and after all, they licenced the Amiga trademark and intend to do something with it. Sure they don't have 'the OS' and/or custom chip motherboards, but it's not 1985 and they are about making serious business, into which niche hobby platforms do not fit in.

But one point has to be taken into consideration; they are going to sell computer case barebones, which is cool for hobby Amiga hardware.

[Karlos]

Really getting bored of the CUSA hate, I don't care if you want to bitch about them that's fine, I will just ignore them as I do most of the pro CUSA threads... But if Amiga owners want to talk about CUSA products of this site, then why not? I like to talk about loads of stuff not all Amiga related.

This.

Admittedly I am one of the detractors, but there's criticism and there's over-reaction.

[nicholas]

How about having a separate CUSA section that any thread regarding them or their stuff has to be posted in and threads within it do not show up on the front page?

Everyone wins.

[bloodline]

This.

Admittedly I am one of the detractors, but there's criticism and there's over-reaction.
I'm happy if people want to slag CUSA off, and I'm happy if people want to hail CUSA as the saviour of mankind... What I hate is the high pitch whine demanding that all mention of them mist be expunged. They are creating traffic on this site, Whig would surely die without it :(

[Kesa]

Being diplomatic i would say that they should remain. The moment we take sides on whether or not we like them thats an invitation for people to start trolling again. There's been too much trolling around these parts of late so we should be nice. So we should remain neutral and let them stay and let them to what ever it is they are doing.

[runequester]

How about having a separate CUSA section that any thread regarding them or their stuff has to be posted in and threads within it do not show up on the front page?

Everyone wins.

Normally Im not a fan of that sort of thing, but to be fair, Morph and AROS are showed in their own sections, so it seems reasonable enough.

[Retro_71]

Normally Im not a fan of that sort of thing, but to be fair, Morph and AROS are showed in their own sections, so it seems reasonable enough.

+1 not on front page otherwise don't care.

[Argo]

Do you want C= USA's fancy cased x86 Linux PC news/threads allowed or banned here (as this is not a site for x86 PC owners)?

Vote now!

Got something against AROS & emulator users ?

[Duce]

I would prefer to not see C-USA stuff on front page. They are a business, their product is not for me. Fine. However, I have seen a conflict of interests arise that is unsettling, and I'm not alone. Red took it upon himself to go do that tour/interview of C-USA, with Dammy. A good, informative article for the most part, and while Red did not go there on behalf of A.org, he is a mod here, a knowledgeable and well respected one at that. Later it was found out Dammy is a moderator over on the C- USA forums. Again, nothing against Dammy, and I am uncertain if he was a forums mod at C-USA when the report from Red was written. Either way, that now is a conflict of interests in my eyes and doesn't make the info that was presented worth squat, sorry. I see it as having a ringer in the bullpen, and I cringe every single time I see C-USA info on front page. Just my 2 bits, I'll live either way, lol.

[redrumloa]

I would prefer to not see C-USA stuff on front page. They are a business, their product is not for me. Fine. However, I have seen a conflict of interests arise that is unsettling, and I'm not alone. Red took it upon himself to go do that tour/interview of C-USA, with Dammy. A good, informative article for the most part, and while Red did not go there on behalf of A.org, he is a mod here, a knowledgeable and well respected one at that. Later it was found out Dammy is a moderator over on the C- USA forums. Again, nothing against Dammy, and I am uncertain if he was a forums mod at C-USA when the report from Red was written. Either way, that now is a conflict of interests in my eyes and doesn't make the info that was presented worth squat, sorry. I see it as having a ringer in the bullpen, and I cringe every single time I see C-USA info on front page. Just my 2 bits, I'll live either way, lol.

Thank you for the kind comments about be respected. Me being a moderator in 2011 means nothing to me. I have nothing but respect for the house that Wayne built and me being here in 2011 is a result of that. I would have no problem giving up the moderator designation if people thought there was a conflict. Being a moderator is not really an enviable position as you cannot make everyone happy and chances are you will really, REALLY piss some people off. That said I do not work for CUSA and have no financial interest whatsoever. I simply find myself in a position where I have gone from being negative to being neutral and being given some info to pass on. Being neutral is enough to be a lightning rod.

[Iggy]

"Dammy is a moderator over on the C- USA forums"

I don't see what that has to do with it. Do mods get paid?
Andre Siegel posts here (and so does Piru - a mod) and their both MorphOS developers.

Dammy, Red, and I all have one thing in common. We were willing to hear the man out.

[Duce]

Iggy, the issue to me was that the report Red wrote up was well received, well written, and generally a service to all of us that were **** talking C-USA. He went there to get the facts. It later came out that the guy who went along with him to said interview has affiliations with C-USA, paid or not - he does a job for C-USA on their forums. Obviously you're going to have people discounting all the effort Red put into his write up, and that's not fair, but it is how it is. Example: If I am a reporter for a news service, and my best buddy has a job at Ford, I would not be surprised if people, after reading my excellent and fairly positive (for Ford) article on Ford Motor Company - were a little standoffish when they found out my best mate is a Ford employee, no? The terms are a little different, since Red is by no means a "reporter" for A.org, he simply went on a fact finding mission. Again, nothing personal against Dammy, nor Red - in the least. Red, I by no means meant to insinuate that you have vested interests in C-USA, or that your article on them was a veiled promotional piece that somehow crossed a line with your mod duties here. It wasn't at all, and if I gave that impression, I apologize. But I am sure you can see the crap the C-USA stuff is stirring up here, and I'm sure that you guys want the bickering to stop just as much as the users do, so I voiced my views on what really stuck in my throat about the whole C-USA thing, that's all. Cheers, Duce

[commodorejohn]

How about having a separate CUSA section that any thread regarding them or their stuff has to be posted in and threads within it do not show up on the front page?

Everyone wins.
That'd be perfectly acceptable.

[magnetic]

Why in the world would Commodore USA who is a company that has done more for the name brand than anyone since commodore not be allowed on the front page of amiga.org? What am I missing here.

[Iggy]

Iggy, the issue to me was that the report Red wrote up was well received, well written, and generally a service to all of us that were **** talking C-USA. He went there to get the facts. It later came out that the guy who went along with him to said interview has affiliations with C-USA, paid or not - he does a job for C-USA on their forums. Obviously you're going to have people discounting all the effort Red put into his write up, and that's not fair, but it is how it is. Example: If I am a reporter for a news service, and my best buddy has a job at Ford, I would not be surprised if people, after reading my excellent and fairly positive (for Ford) article on Ford Motor Company - were a little standoffish when they found out my best mate is a Ford employee, no? The terms are a little different, since Red is by no means a "reporter" for A.org, he simply went on a fact finding mission. Again, nothing personal against Dammy, nor Red - in the least. Red, I by no means meant to insinuate that you have vested interests in C-USA, or that your article on them was a veiled promotional piece that somehow crossed a line with your mod duties here. It wasn't at all, and if I gave that impression, I apologize. But I am sure you can see the crap the C-USA stuff is stirring up here, and I'm sure that you guys want the bickering to stop just as much as the users do, so I voiced my views on what really stuck in my throat about the whole C-USA thing, that's all. Cheers, Duce

Makes sense to me. I'm not that familiar with Dammy. Red I first ran into on Ebay before I started posting here. Considering his initial stance and his current one, I think he's objective.

[Iggy]

Why in the world would Commodore USA who is a company that has done more for the name brand than anyone since commodore not be allowed on the front page of amiga.org? What am I missing here.

Mag's got a point here. Just because we have separate areas for MorphOS and AROS, it doesn't prevent them from being on the front page.
Why should C-USA be different?

[redrumloa]

Iggy, the issue to me was that the report Red wrote up was well received, well written, and generally a service to all of us that were **** talking C-USA. He went there to get the facts. It later came out that the guy who went along with him to said interview has affiliations with C-USA, paid or not - he does a job for C-USA on their forums. Obviously you're going to have people discounting all the effort Red put into his write up, and that's not fair, but it is how it is. Example: If I am a reporter for a news service, and my best buddy has a job at Ford, I would not be surprised if people, after reading my excellent and fairly positive (for Ford) article on Ford Motor Company - were a little standoffish when they found out my best mate is a Ford employee, no? The terms are a little different, since Red is by no means a "reporter" for A.org, he simply went on a fact finding mission. Again, nothing personal against Dammy, nor Red - in the least. Red, I by no means meant to insinuate that you have vested interests in C-USA, or that your article on them was a veiled promotional piece that somehow crossed a line with your mod duties here. It wasn't at all, and if I gave that impression, I apologize. But I am sure you can see the crap the C-USA stuff is stirring up here, and I'm sure that you guys want the bickering to stop just as much as the users do, so I voiced my views on what really stuck in my throat about the whole C-USA thing, that's all. Cheers, Duce

No need to apologize, you are articulating your opinion without venom or personal attacks. I get it, I understand people having a negative opinion. I had a negative opinion at first. I can understand that many people have a vision of what Amiga should be or what Commodore should be. CUSA's vision probably doesn't go along with their vision. Heck put some of the old red/blue/other campers in a room and they won't see eye to eye on what Amiga should be going back to at least pup/wup days. I get that, I have been there at various times. I just don't get the venom anymore. You are certainly not showing venom, I'm just trying to make a point.

[adz]

I don't see a problem with CUSA news items, it's as Amiga related as any other Amiga related news, only people I can see it offending are the PPC fanbois :roflmao:

[klx300r]

it only makes sense that CUSA stuff should be in a Linux forum or otherwise we'll be seeing Amiga branded microwave/cell phones/ tablets etc. ads here too:angry:..seems Amiga Inc. will sell their stickers to any one that will give them a few cents here and there:laughing:

They said more than once that they don't care about the existing community as it's not 'their' market so why in the hell should they advertise to us..really makes no bloody sense at all !

[mechy]

are you kidding?
these guys are a bunch of ambulance chasers,making money off the brand name by cobbling some pc motherboards into cases they mold..how do you figure they are doing something for the name brand(well they are if your consider deficating on it doing something). That's a insult to commodore if anything,as well as amiga. worse thing is they are trying to use the original amiga model numbers.
they haven't done jack to the name brand but ride off what people remember.


Why in the world would Commodore USA who is a company that has done more for the name brand than anyone since commodore not be allowed on the front page of amiga.org? What am I missing here.

[CSixx]

They should be moved to the Other OS forum, where they belong.

[Duce]

They should be moved to the Other OS forum, where they belong.

^^ This. tl;dr warning C-USA has no product on shelves atm - they haven't not done a damned thing for "the community", yet. Good intentions paved the road to Hell. From what I understand, their initial offerings will be a C64 replica with commodity HW and an emulator of sorts, not something I am into, respectfully. I sincerely do wish them the best, but since they have shown virtually nothing product wise so far to Amiga fans and this is amiga.org, they are of little interest as a whole to many people. Even the yet to be seen Amiga branded tablets and such from icontain are more on topic on frontpage news posts than a C64 knockoff. I'm an Amiga fan and user. I never owned a C64, and never will - but respect those that did. Hopefully what comes out of this will fill a niche for the early Commodore fans, even if a C64 remake is nothing I am interested in. As an Amiga fan, I come to amiga.org for Amiga interests mainly, knowing full well there's subsections of the forums that are not dedicated to the Amiga. I don't read the sections that do not pertain to me, and I hope that non Amiga info not interesting to Amigans isn't crammed down peoples necks. It has been with some of this stuff on the front page, lately. That said, again - seeing C-USA promises and mergers with them and Disney for undelivered product, I don't care. I see nothing from them saying "here's our solution to your Amiga issues!", and when I logon to A.org, I am looking for AMIGA info on the frontpage - not some dopey link to a bad Disney remake with someone paying to have leaflets crammed in said bad DVD. That's not Amiga news, to me. My advice - if we are going to fluff the pillows of some vaguely related entity here on A.org that isn't currently offering Amiga solutions or products, have the decency of charging them ad fees. I'd prefer to have ad content stuffed in my face of if helps pay a.org's hosting fees. Hearing such non news as this, such as Commodore US partnering with Disney, well it does nothing for me as an Amiga fan, really. That being said, rather than bitch and moan, I (and anyone else) are free to ignore what doesn't interest us. But since A.org is a very specific niche site catering to a small, highly dedicated audience: I do have to bring up the issue of "relevance to Amigans" value of front page "big news!!!" items that seem like nothing more than pandering and pillow fluffing for the sake of "news". I felt the same about the iContain stuff, for the record.

[Retro_71]

Actually that brings up a point why is a C64 lookalike case news on an Amiga forum??
Wether is was real or a knock off why have it plain for everyone to see (i mean in News section)?
I like C64 BUT i wouldn't come here for news about it......
Take CUSA off the front pages if someone wants news about them then they can click the forums and go there.

End of the day they have not produce anything Amiga, BUT they will (they claim) produce a C64 product which doesn't belong on the front page anyway.

[bloodline]

I don't see a problem with CUSA news items, it's as Amiga related as any other Amiga related news, only people I can see it offending are the PPC fanbois :roflmao:
Actually, I had forgotten how ranty I get when a PPC thread pops up :)

[Khephren]

I don't see a problem with CUSA news items, it's as Amiga related as any other Amiga related news, only people I can see it offending are the PPC fanbois :roflmao:
I dunno, ADZ. But so far they don't make Amiga compatible machines, Amiga software or an AmigaOS So it's not Amiga related so far. I suppose that could change. But it does no harm to me. I tend to ignore CUSA stuff -it's easy to do. Have you noticed that those who hate CUSA threads post the most ;)

If they want to get on my good side, they could make an A1200 wedge case, with a CD rom slot built in. I'd give 'em some love then!

[Amiga_Nut]

I'm happy if people want to slag CUSA off, and I'm happy if people want to hail CUSA as the saviour of mankind... What I hate is the high pitch whine demanding that all mention of them mist be expunged. They are creating traffic on this site, Whig would surely die without it :(

I think the OP is saying a fake C64 linux PC is not really warranted as news on an Amiga specific website and therefore the C64x should not be in an official news announcement. OP never said all trace of them be expunged or banned.

I agree, C64x is NOT an Amiga related product beyond being able to run Linux UAE ;) And for that reason I am voting yes. When they have Amiga related product fine, but as there is nothing to show but rumour then I feel this way.

This sort of stuff should be posted on Lemon64 (they have C64 Forever and that is no more a C64 than C64x so sure they would be welcomed enough)

[Amiga_Nut]

Got something against AROS & emulator users ?

As a moderator you should know this is not a C64 website, an Amiga one ;)

I think you will find, well I certainly took it to mean, that unless C=USA make something similar to AROS as opposed to the same UAE emulator I can run on a DELL XPS laptop that their 'Amiga' product probably shouldn't be on news sections either unless they offer just the cases.

Where do you draw the line, product announcements for white cased DELL machine that look vaguely Amiga-ish and runs E-UAE or Win-UAE?

I don't see how anyone can argue that a PC that looks like a C64 is in any way news worthy as an official announcement for an Amiga website anyway. Nobody is saying you can't start threads about C=USA products at all, it is just semantics and suitability issue not censorship AFAIAC.

[EvilGuy]

We already have to wade through crap about Mac's so why not keep the Commodore stuff as well .. at least the name is remotely relevant, even if the content isn't :-)

[TiredOLife]

We need CUSA to stay.
The AOS4/MOS flame wars are just too tired and old now.

So we need something new to get everyone all worked up.
AROS was a dead loss.
How dare they make everyone happy by porting their OS to both PPC and x86.

Commodore is dead, long live Commodore(USA).

[spirantho]

Sure.. keep C=USA stuff.
But not on the front page. C=USA have as much to do with Amigas as Microsoft do. No, actually, MS have more to do with Amigas as original Amigas shipped with MS software (AmigaBASIC).
I come here to read and write about flavours of Amigas, doesn't matter which OS as long as it's basically Amiga-like. But C=USA offer none of those things, just a Linux/Windows box, so 100% definitely it should go in the forums for non-Amiga OSes that doesn't get shown on the front page.

[whabang]

A Commodore PC-section seems like a good trade-off, as Commodore themselves sold plenty of PC's.

[spirantho]

A Commodore PC-section seems like a good trade-off, as Commodore themselves sold plenty of PC's.

But Commodore PC's have nothing to do with Amigas either.

I fear this site has lot much of its focus. It seems there's an undercurrent of genuine Amiga discussion going on here and it's being swamped by off-topic advertising posts for a company that has nothing to do with Amigas at all except an ability to print stickers saying "Amiga" on.

Here's a completely unrealistic analogy.

It's kind of like a beautiful garden. Nice flowers growing for years. How lovely.
Then somebody comes along and plants a Japanese knotweed, claiming it's a flower. The knotweed grows and grows, and the other plants are swamped under the voracity of the weed, which thrives because the owner claims it's a flower. Eventually all that's left is the dying husks of the beautiful flowers, and one big mass of knotweed.

That probably doesn't make much sense... but maybe some will see what I mean - at this rate Amiga.org is in serious danger of becoming dedicated to other machines which claim to be flowers.. er - Amigas.

It is seriously tempting to start another forum called ClassicAmiga.org or something, because at this rate the users of A500s through to A4000s will have lost their best website within a year or two... or a real shame.

I understand people's points about moving forward, but if moving forward means losing what I like using (AmigaOS), then I'd really rather stay in the past, thanks.

[nicholas]

But Commodore PC's have nothing to do with Amigas either.

I fear this site has lot much of its focus. It seems there's an undercurrent of genuine Amiga discussion going on here and it's being swamped by off-topic advertising posts for a company that has nothing to do with Amigas at all except an ability to print stickers saying "Amiga" on.

Here's a completely unrealistic analogy.

It's kind of like a beautiful garden. Nice flowers growing for years. How lovely.
Then somebody comes along and plants a Japanese knotweed, claiming it's a flower. The knotweed grows and grows, and the other plants are swamped under the voracity of the weed, which thrives because the owner claims it's a flower. Eventually all that's left is the dying husks of the beautiful flowers, and one big mass of knotweed.

That probably doesn't make much sense... but maybe some will see what I mean - at this rate Amiga.org is in serious danger of becoming dedicated to other machines which claim to be flowers.. er - Amigas.

It is seriously tempting to start another forum called ClassicAmiga.org or something, because at this rate the users of A500s through to A4000s will have lost their best website within a year or two... or a real shame.

Perhaps that is the intention of certain people who shall remain nameless for now?


I understand people's points about moving forward, but if moving forward means losing what I like using (AmigaOS), then I'd really rather stay in the past, thanks.

+1

[spirantho]

Perhaps that is the intention of certain people who shall remain nameless for now?


Put it this way, if things get much worse than they are now, I'd definitely be replacing Amiga.org with a real Amiga website on my daily reading-list and Speed Dial (I use Opera).
I'm heartily sick of reading about the prostitution of the name "Amiga" which used to mean so much.

[bloodline]

I come here for the users, Amiga is just an excuse ;) x

[Kesa]

I come here for the users, Amiga is just an excuse ;) x

Me too. But i also come here for the babes and the rock n' roll :rolleyes:

[A1260]

the c64x goes to stores worldwide tomorrow, we will see if they can deliver as promised.......

[gertsy]

the c64x goes to stores worldwide tomorrow, we will see if they can deliver as promised.......

As Xdelusion would have said in his? poll.

Time for C= USA to go pee pee.

[Piru]

" so does Piru - a mod
I am many things but this is news to me.

[desiv]

I am many things but this is news to me.
I'm sure he meant that as a personal statement and not technology one..

Hmm.. mod.... Hold on .. googling..

Significant elements of the mod subculture include: fashion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion) (often tailor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailor)-made suits); pop music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music), including African American soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music), Jamaican ska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska), and British beat music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_music) and R&B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_and_blues); and Italian motor scooters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_%28motorcycle%29). The original mod scene was also associated with amphetamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine)-fuelled all-night dancing at clubs.Perfect.. That's exactly how I pictured Piru!! er...

desiv

[Iggy]

I am many things but this is news to me.

Sorry, my bad.
And why drag you into this sorry mess.

[Digiman]

Oooh lots of voting going on in here :)

[Fester]

I like to hear about CommodoreUSA. I hope they succeed with this venture.

[kedawa]

I'm not sure I understand the question.
Non-Amiga CUSA news doesn't belong on the front page, obviously.

The way the forums are divided up on a.org doesn't entirely make sense to begin with, but I think it would be most appropriate if CUSA stuff not related to Amiga were discussed in Alternative Operating Systems or Coffee House only.

I think anything related to CUSA's Amiga product line is appropriate for the news/front page, even if it's Amiga in name only.

[samdu]

Here's my take as an old school Amiga user that has only been following the state of the Amiga universe off and on for the last couple of years. There was a story on Engadget today about Commodore USA and some deal they're doing with Disney for a Tron cross-promotion thing. Now I'd seen stories about C=USA before and their plans to release some weird C=64 thing, but in this story, C=USA mentioned Amiga. So, my interest piqued, I headed to their web site. And their web site has three models of "Amiga" listed (pretty swanky looking cases, too). But there is almost no information at all about what will run on those boxes. Which is what brought me over to Amiga.org. I figured there would be a news story or something about OS4 being licensed by C=USA or something, so I was prepared to sift through some things until I saw this thread.

I guess the point I'm making is that C=USA is misrepresenting themselves to a certain extent. To folks that frequent Amiga sites, it's not a big deal. They know the score. To people like me, that have kept a quickly scanning eye on all things Amiga, I know where to go to get the scoop. But to most people, C=USA is making it appear that they're actually resurrecting the Amiga. And that's disingenuous. They're basically trading off the name and nothing more. And that irritates me.

[Tripitaka]

@samdu

+1

I just couldn't have put that better myself, well said.

[motrucker]

Do you want C= USA's fancy cased x86 Linux PC news/threads allowed or banned here (as this is not a site for x86 PC owners)?

Vote now!

If anyone isn't mature enough to handle a discussion of this topic, I feel sorry for them. Although I personally have no interest in these computers, since they are using a name that is near and dear to us all here, it should be of at least passing interest.

BTW I abstained from voting on this one. That's why things won't add up.

[brenry]

Gonna add a Macintosh section too ? seeing as the MacMini's are the choice for putting custom OS builds on as well.

[rdolores]

Anything Commodore-Amiga related should be allowed here. Even if it is in spirit only.

[outlawal2]

WAIT!

You forgot the option so we could vote that everyone that continuously bitches about CUSA have to go! Where is that option?

THAT is the one I would vote for... (If you don't like CUSA fine, then don't read the threads..)

[Franko]

WAIT!

You forgot the option so we could vote that everyone that continuously bitches about CUSA have to go! Where is that option?

THAT is the one I would vote for... (If you don't like CUSA fine, then don't read the threads..)

Bit stupid that statement, it's all there is to read round here these days... :confused:

[outlawal2]

And that is fine Franko, just shut yer hole and stop effing bitching about it. Either READ them and enjoy.. Or don't read them and keep your mouth shut...

Not a difficult concept really. Even you should be able to understand it...

[Digiman]

WAIT!

You forgot the option so we could vote that everyone that continuously bitches about CUSA have to go! Where is that option?

THAT is the one I would vote for... (If you don't like CUSA fine, then don't read the threads..)

The poll is to vote whether non native Amiga compatibles like C64x should be in official news announcements or not. I think people are confussing this with a total ban on topics being posted.

[SamuraiCrow]

I voted yes. CUSA has to go.

[Franko]

And that is fine Franko, just shut yer hole and stop effing bitching about it. Either READ them and enjoy.. Or don't read them and keep your mouth shut...

Not a difficult concept really. Even you should be able to understand it...

I'll post what comments I want about this con merchant outfit called CUSA and don't need some numptie like you telling me what to do, but thanks for the typical advise that CUSA fanboys give out... :roflmao:

[Nostalgiac]

Really getting bored of the CUSA hate...
Don't force your censorship on me.

same here - free speech please

Tom UK

[Nostalgiac]

I'll post what comments I want about this con merchant outfit called CUSA and don't need some numptie like you telling me what to do, but thanks for the typical advise that CUSA fanboys give out... :roflmao:

post ahead scotsman - you often make me LOL even when not agreeing:)

btw, where in Scotland are you in fact ? I got family Invergordon.

ta
Tom UK

[Amiga_Nut]

same here - free speech please

Tom UK

Except this is nothing about free speech it's about whether a PC in a novelty Commodore 64 should be under official news announcements for an Amiga forum (not Commodore generically and not C64 specifically)

[AmigaNG]

I voted No.

Because it great popcorn material until AmigaONE X1000 comes out, and it distract the trolls from bashing that project, plus I must admit I'm enjoy the debates, the comedy and the alternative way of thinking that C=USA has brought to the community, so I'm just enjoy the ride until more (what I consider) serious amiga projects arrive.

[Franko]

post ahead scotsman - you often make me LOL even when not agreeing:)

btw, where in Scotland are you in fact ? I got family Invergordon.

ta
Tom UK

A concrete jungle on the outskirts of Edinburgh called Livingston, it's a bit like Milton Keynes but with more roundabouts and nutcases... :)

Originally from Glasgow though but living so close to Edinburgh means I don't have to shout as loud now to insult the stuck up buggers... :)

[JJ]

Why should they go. End of story

[jkirk]

i vote meh i don't give a crap till there is a problem. until the problem arises i withhold my vote.

[AndyLandy]

It is seriously tempting to start another forum called ClassicAmiga.org or something, because at this rate the users of A500s through to A4000s will have lost their best website within a year or two... or a real shame.

Someone did that already: http://forum.classicamiga.com/ :-)

[Digiman]

i vote meh i don't give a crap till there is a problem. until the problem arises i withhold my vote.

Poll closes Sunday midnight BST ;)

[mfletcher]

WAIT!

You forgot the option so we could vote that everyone that continuously bitches about CUSA have to go! Where is that option?

THAT is the one I would vote for... (If you don't like CUSA fine, then don't read the threads..)

Scott Walker... is that you?

[outlawal2]

Scott Walker... is that you?

Hideously overpaid union worker that should have been fired 5 times...
Is that you?

[TheBilgeRat]

Where is CUSA going? That would affect my yes/no vote. If they are going to the Bahamas, I would definitely vote no because I want to go there and I'd be jealous. But if, say, they were just going to Albertsons, I'd be ok with it.

[Digiman]

Where is CUSA going? That would affect my yes/no vote. If they are going to the Bahamas, I would definitely vote no because I want to go there and I'd be jealous. But if, say, they were just going to Albertsons, I'd be ok with it.

How about Hell? :roflmao:

[_ThEcRoW]

I don't see a problem in it. Why are people so interested in removing it from main page???.
Some people need to grow up.

[Digiman]

I don't see a problem in it. Why are people so interested in removing it from official news announcements???.
Some people need to grow up.

Fixed that for you.

[runequester]

I guess this is the question:

Is a PC manufacturer / reseller selling PC's in a commodore 64 case relevant information to an amiga site ?

Answer that, and that'd determine whether CUSA stuff currently should be news items on amiga.org

[Argo]

Uh, that will be kind of a moot point when they introduce the first model in their Amiga line.

[Iggy]

Uh, that will be kind of a moot point when they introduce the first model in their Amiga line.

Which we have virtually no specifications on yet.
We all need no lighten up a bit.

[runequester]

Uh, that will be kind of a moot point when they introduce the first model in their Amiga line.

When it's here, it's here.

THere's kind of a lot of dual conversation going on here, but f.x. Hyperion porting a PC game to linux (which I understand they did for a while).
Is this relevant news to amiga.org since they also publish amiga OS 4?

[Duce]

Uh, that will be kind of a moot point when they introduce the first model in their Amiga line.

This is Amiga.org, not c64caseswithpcgutswithemusoftwarestilltoship.org. When I can order a working Amiga from them, fine. It is absolutely retarded that the sole focus of a.org has been along this path for this long. Enough. Does it not bother people to see this C-USA bickering endlessly, regardless of what side of the fence you live on, on the main forums page? Do you remember that old feeling you'd get when some 17 year old kid posted here after getting a A500 and a box of floppies at a boot sale, and how cool the "scene" was? THAT is what A.org is about, not this petty bull****. I mean, how cool is it to read these stories of kids buying an Amiga older than them at a boot sale and coming here for pointers. THAT IS AMIGA.ORG, to me. Let me be frank. I've been a pain in the ass here at times with this, and a detractor from the C-USA camp. No regrets there. I speak my mind respectfully and as well spoken as I can. I haven't seen anything out of them yet other than their reps coming on absolutely lambasting the regulars here. Happened a few hours ago from their CEO acting like a schoolyard bully here on a.org. Their product is not for me, I'm cool with that. I find their business practices and public front thus far absolutely reprehensible when it comes to how they deal with us here on A.org. I hope they come out with something that piques my interest, and I gave them full credit for getting the C64 box out. No harm, no foul. We're good, call off the hounds, lads. You want to know what started all of the C-USA hostility, it was the approach they themselves took. One foot in the door they were completely patronizing, and that bred a lot of the hostility. That continues today from them. Promises and grand stories, and when people kindly just said "put out a product for us to see", they got ignorant. I've seen better lemonade stands run by 12 year olds. Let me ask you this - do you see this hostility towards Mike's FPGA project, Natami, or hell - even Acube/Hyperion? Hell, even the AmigaOne??? All are hoping to deliver a modern, reliable and up to date Amiga solution for us old farts. We're all fine with whatever they put out as long as they aren't claiming to reinvent the wheel, or write cheques their asses cannot cash as far as promises go, or treat us like outright idiots. We don't buy what we aren't interested in, good enough for me. YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SUCH PRODUCTS MUCH. Why? Said people never came on here with their army stirring up bull****, railing against detractors, doubters, or even people with valid questions. C-USA did. Smart marketing would dictate "give the people what they want, don't try and sell BS thru snippy posts", but instead they took to making personal insults rather than letting product talk. This persists to this day, and the lack of respect stinks from people on either side. That has included myself at times, sadly. This friction is screwing up an already small fanbase. I lived for many years with an Amiga prior to discovering A.org. After switching to a PC in the mid 90's after I sold my tricked out A4000, a few years back I found a place called A.org. A.org got me back into the Amiga scene, and I now own a SAM 440, an A1200, an AROS box and a MorphOS Mac. And I'm damn proud to do so, in an era of mainstream computers that are about as personable as my microwave oven. I like this place, despite being a relative noobie here. I'd hate to see the place go to absolute ****. That speaks volumes as to what A.org should be - a place for people to gather to nurture what we have left of the Amiga scene, not this bull**** infighting.

[Darrin]

@ Duce

No offense, but please:

"Paragraphs"

&

"2 spaces after a Full Stop, Exclaimation and a Colon, 1 space after a Comma or Semi-Colon".

That was hard to read. :)

[Duce]

@ Duce

No offense, but please:

"Paragraphs"

&

"2 spaces after a Full Stop, Exclaimation and a Colon, 1 space after a Comma or Semi-Colon".

That was hard to read. :)

I have a vision impairment IRL, my apologies. I'll spend more time next post to make it a bit easier to navigate. What looks fine on my large text screen often looks run together for others, my apologies.

[runequester]

@ Duce

No offense, but please:

"Paragraphs"

&

"2 spaces after a Full Stop, Exclaimation and a Colon, 1 space after a Comma or Semi-Colon".

That was hard to read. :)

One solid block of truth though.

[Darrin]

I have a vision impairment IRL, my apologies. I'll spend more time next post to make it a bit easier to navigate. What looks fine on my large text screen often looks run together for others, my apologies.

That's OK mate. I just wanted you to know because it really is hard to read as a result and some people will just skip it. :)

Sorry about that.

[psxphill]

Said people never came on here with their army stirring up bull****, railing against detractors, doubters, or even people with valid questions. C-USA did.

In the interest of balance, I haven't seen any of this. What I have seen is the front page becoming an anti-CUSA page. I have no problem with discussions about CUSA, but then I've not been negative against them so they haven't said anything to me either.

The problem is the detractors and doubters creating a hostile environment, that is what needs to go. If CUSA want to waste time advertising on a site full of people that will never buy their product, then that is up to them. If you're worried about giving them "free advertising", then that can only be because you're worried that there are people here who will actually buy their product. I won't be (even though the c64x looks cool), but I don't feel the need to impose that on anyone else.

[whabang]

This is Amiga.org, not c64caseswithpcgutswithemusoftwarestilltoship.org. When I can order a working Amiga from them, fine. It is absolutely retarded that the sole focus of a.org has been along this path for this long. Enough. Does it not bother people to see this C-USA bickering endlessly, regardless of what side of the fence you live on, on the main forums page? Do you remember that old feeling you'd get when some 17 year old kid posted here after getting a A500 and a box of floppies at a boot sale, and how cool the "scene" was? THAT is what A.org is about, not this petty bull****. I mean, how cool is it to read these stories of kids buying an Amiga older than them at a boot sale and coming here for pointers. THAT IS AMIGA.ORG, to me. Let me be frank. I've been a pain in the ass here at times with this, and a detractor from the C-USA camp. No regrets there. I speak my mind respectfully and as well spoken as I can. I haven't seen anything out of them yet other than their reps coming on absolutely lambasting the regulars here. Happened a few hours ago from their CEO acting like a schoolyard bully here on a.org. Their product is not for me, I'm cool with that. I find their business practices and public front thus far absolutely reprehensible when it comes to how they deal with us here on A.org. I hope they come out with something that piques my interest, and I gave them full credit for getting the C64 box out. No harm, no foul. We're good, call off the hounds, lads. You want to know what started all of the C-USA hostility, it was the approach they themselves took. One foot in the door they were completely patronizing, and that bred a lot of the hostility. That continues today from them. Promises and grand stories, and when people kindly just said "put out a product for us to see", they got ignorant. I've seen better lemonade stands run by 12 year olds. Let me ask you this - do you see this hostility towards Mike's FPGA project, Natami, or hell - even Acube/Hyperion? Hell, even the AmigaOne??? All are hoping to deliver a modern, reliable and up to date Amiga solution for us old farts. We're all fine with whatever they put out as long as they aren't claiming to reinvent the wheel, or write cheques their asses cannot cash as far as promises go, or treat us like outright idiots. We don't buy what we aren't interested in, good enough for me. YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT SUCH PRODUCTS MUCH. Why? Said people never came on here with their army stirring up bull****, railing against detractors, doubters, or even people with valid questions. C-USA did. Smart marketing would dictate "give the people what they want, don't try and sell BS thru snippy posts", but instead they took to making personal insults rather than letting product talk. This persists to this day, and the lack of respect stinks from people on either side. That has included myself at times, sadly. This friction is screwing up an already small fanbase. I lived for many years with an Amiga prior to discovering A.org. After switching to a PC in the mid 90's after I sold my tricked out A4000, a few years back I found a place called A.org. A.org got me back into the Amiga scene, and I now own a SAM 440, an A1200, an AROS box and a MorphOS Mac. And I'm damn proud to do so, in an era of mainstream computers that are about as personable as my microwave oven. I like this place, despite being a relative noobie here. I'd hate to see the place go to absolute ****. That speaks volumes as to what A.org should be - a place for people to gather to nurture what we have left of the Amiga scene, not this bull**** infighting.

Holy wall of text, Batman! :o

[Amiga_Nut]

Uh, that will be kind of a moot point when they introduce the first model in their Amiga line.

If it is in a case that is not a copy of any past Amiga sold by Commodore 1985-1994 then no.

And if it is just some rubbish PC motherboard with Linux + UAE with a 12 Function key keyboard (Amiga has F1-F10) then again no.

I don't care what others think but if it doesn't have a remotely Amiga-like OS ie MOS, OS4, Classic 1.1-3.9 Workbench or AROS then again no.

Let's be honest, the best we can hope for is a rubbish x86 motherboard in a replica Amiga case, but as the cases on the website are off the shelf existing PC Desktop cases then.............

[Franko]

If it is in a case that is not a copy of any past Amiga sold by Commodore 1985-1994 then no.

And if it is just some rubbish PC motherboard with Linux + UAE with a 12 Function key keyboard (Amiga has F1-F10) then again no.

I don't care what others thing but if it doesn't have a remotely Amiga-like OS ie MOS, OS4, Classic 1.1-3.9 Workbench or AROS then again no.

Let's be honest, the best we can hope for is a rubbish x86 motherboard in a replica Amiga case, but as the cases on the website are off the shelf existing PC Desktop cases then.............

Your 100% spot on there... :)

[A4000_Mad]

I'm going to be brave and make my first ever post in one of these threads :nervous:

To stop valued members leaving because of seeing all the arguing and to make sure those needing Amiga help get their requests seen on the front page, could not all the C=USA threads be put together in one section? :)

Any new ones created could simply be moved there as well :pint:

[Franko]

I'm going to be brave and make my first ever post in one of these threads :nervous:

To stop valued members leaving because of seeing all the arguing and to make sure those needing Amiga help get their requests seen on the front page, could not all the C=USA threads be put together in one section? :)

Any new ones created could simply be moved there as well :pint:

But we don't have a section for stuff that pretends to be an overpriced Amiga in a case where the actual copyright and design is probably still owned by someone else (awful long name for one section, eh...) :)

PS:Welcome to the big bad world of the real Amiga Nutters... you can't hide in the Coffee Shop now... ;)

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Just bought my copy of Tron Legacy today, and sure enough, there was the CUSA ad. I guess I was kind of expecting it to be bigger (given the hype), but still, very nice! My .02 cents, would love to here more about CUSA on these forums (unless it's all the trifling negativity that seems to be commonplace).

[Daedalus]

@ Duce

No offense, but please:

"Paragraphs"

&

"2 spaces after a Full Stop, Exclaimation and a Colon, 1 space after a Comma or Semi-Colon".

That was hard to read. :)

That whole two spaces after hard punctuation thing went out with the advent of proportional fonts. But yes, that's some solid block of text - with a lot of truth neatly packed into it :)

[jkirk]

But we don't have a section for stuff that pretends to be an overpriced Amiga in a case where the actual copyright and design is probably still owned by someone else (awful long name for one section, eh...) :)


yea god forbid we put it in the "section for stuff that is an overpriced Amiga without a case where the actual copyright and design is probably still owned by someone else."

[persia]

Perhaps we do need a section for C=USA, even though they aren't "Amiga" in the sense of the way we have all come to know and love "Amiga." There isn't a consensus to ban them or to allow them in the current forum setup, so really the only thing that makes draws a line down the middle is their own section. Much as I'd like it called "Cable Guy's Stuff" it's probably better to use a neutral term like "C=USA."

[runequester]

Perhaps we do need a section for C=USA, even though they aren't "Amiga" in the sense of the way we have all come to know and love "Amiga." There isn't a consensus to ban them or to allow them in the current forum setup, so really the only thing that makes draws a line down the middle is their own section. Much as I'd like it called "Cable Guy's Stuff" it's probably better to use a neutral term like "C=USA."

Morph OS has its own section. AROS has its own section (though both seem to primarily use their own forums). Emulation has its own section (I believe)

Once CUSA has something that is sold under the amiga name, it makes sense for them to have their own forum.

[CSixx]

As a subscriber, I've voted with my wallet by cancelling my subscription here.
I'm not leaving, I just won't pay for it anymore.

[dentunes]

I just don't see the issue with C= USA.

They are doing what they feel is an homage to the Commodore. They have a price on their product, a shipping date, and for all intents and purposes, people will start receiving product by the end of May. If you can't talk about that here, where can you talk about it?

Has anyone offered to help out C= USA to do something more to their liking? I don't know the answer to that, merely asking.

I agree with Bloodline. There is a lot of talk about C= USA and they are the only ones with the option to buy a product. It is a novel idea and I would say that almost everyone who buys one would have had a C64 when they were a kid.

Just like in life, everyone is there ready to tell you why you can't do something or why you shouldn't do something. They are afraid of the possibility of you succeeding.

[runequester]

I just don't see the issue with C= USA.

They are doing what they feel is an homage to the Commodore. They have a price on their product, a shipping date, and for all intents and purposes, people will start receiving product by the end of May. If you can't talk about that here, where can you talk about it?

I guess I am still missing the relevance of PC's in a C64 case on an amiga site.


I agree with Bloodline. There is a lot of talk about C= USA and they are the only ones with the option to buy a product. It is a novel idea and I would say that almost everyone who buys one would have had a C64 when they were a kid.


Morph OS has a product they are more than willing to sell.
The minimig guys have a product they want to sell.
The OS4 and Acube guys have a product they want to sell.
There's pre-installed AROS machines (Ares one and Imica) that those people want to sell.
There's the amiga forever guys selling a product.

Then there's CUSA /not/ selling an amiga product.

Maybe one day they will. When that day comes, Im sure they'll have their own section on the forum here, just like the above stuff.

[redrumloa]

I just don't see the issue with C= USA.

They are doing what they feel is an homage to the Commodore. They have a price on their product, a shipping date, and for all intents and purposes, people will start receiving product by the end of May. If you can't talk about that here, where can you talk about it?

Has anyone offered to help out C= USA to do something more to their liking? I don't know the answer to that, merely asking.

I agree with Bloodline. There is a lot of talk about C= USA and they are the only ones with the option to buy a product. It is a novel idea and I would say that almost everyone who buys one would have had a C64 when they were a kid.

Just like in life, everyone is there ready to tell you why you can't do something or why you shouldn't do something. They are afraid of the possibility of you succeeding.

+1

[dentunes]

Morph OS has a product they are more than willing to sell.
The minimig guys have a product they want to sell.
The OS4 and Acube guys have a product they want to sell.
There's pre-installed AROS machines (Ares one and Imica) that those people want to sell.
There's the amiga forever guys selling a product.

Fair point. The software only options weren't what I was referring to.

Amiga Forever - Free emulator available online with software. Not really a computer.

AROS machines - Exactly how are they any different? AROS combined with a standard computer.

In the case of the Sam boards - 900 euro for a motherboard and OS?

SAM460ex Prices:
1.15 Ghz CPU + OS4: 749,00 EUR (898.80 EUR including VAT where applicable)

Minimig is an outstanding project. That is how Dennis van Weeren wished to rekindle the Amiga flame.

Just imagine, if the community came together on this instead of being divided? The pool of talent could be utilised to create something amazing.

Imagine Dennis van Weeren and co. creating the A1200 with Expansion cards in FPGA or NATAMI being combined with C= USA to produce the case and provide its obvious marketing genius (what other Amiga product has partnered with Disney and had an ad in every copy of a movie grossing over $400mil since 1994?) and sell as a product.

I bet you more people in the world know about the new C64x than any other post Commodore bankruptcy Amiga/Commodore product combined.

[runequester]

Fair point. The software only options weren't what I was referring to.

Amiga Forever - Free emulator available online with software. Not really a computer.

Fair enough.


AROS machines - Exactly how are they any different? AROS combined with a standard computer.

Correct. The Imica is kind of neat actually, because the stuff is all selected to be as quiet and power efficient as possible.
But it's still a product that be purchased, and I'd argue its more amiga related than the 64x. (in that its amiga related, and the latter is not)


In the case of the Sam boards - 900 euro for a motherboard and OS?

SAM460ex Prices:
1.15 Ghz CPU + OS4: 749,00 EUR (898.80 EUR including VAT where applicable)


Significantly overpriced for what it is. I doubt I'll ever own an OS4 machine.

But its a product for sale.



Minimig is an outstanding project. That is how Dennis van Weeren wished to rekindle the Amiga flame.

Just imagine, if the community came together on this instead of being divided? The pool of talent could be utilised to create something amazing.

Imagine Dennis van Weeren and co. creating the A1200 with Expansion cards in FPGA or NATAMI being combined with C= USA to produce the case and provide its obvious marketing genius (what other Amiga product has partnered with Disney and had an ad in every copy of a movie grossing over $400mil since 1994?) and sell as a product.

Here, I agree in theory.
In reality, nobody is left who can pull this off.

Creating an operating system is an insane amount of work. How much hardware does Haiku support? They've been at it for years and they had a system to work from.
How many fundamental things are still missing from Morph and OS4?

Basically if you aren't a billion dollar corporation (windows, mac os) or have the support of a lot of billion dollar corporations and a small core of crazy people (linux), your chances aren't looking good.

Even if you get your OS out there.. applications.
I am pretty much getting a Natami the day after its available to buy. I'll be running applications from 1994 or thereabouts on it.

Outside of us, there's nobody else to do this, and nobody to take a chance on it.
People **** bricks because they can't install world of warcraft natively on linux. Imagine having 0.01% of the applications for linux, and hoping to get people to buy in.


It breaks my heart, but the race is gone and done. It's a retro hobby from here on.


Where I take solace is in this:

Its okay for amiga to be a retro hobby. When its in the hands of the geeks, it can't be taken away.


I bet you more people in the world know about the new C64x than any other post Commodore bankruptcy Amiga/Commodore product combined.

Im not familiar with post commodore C64 stuff, but I'm sure you are correct.

[dentunes]

I know what you mean and understand.

Just look at how we think that at $895 it is too expensive yet when released back in 1982, the Commodore 64 was $595. Computers aren't the prestige they were anymore and as said before, simply appliances now.

It is a hobby. Not for the majority of people but for some. I would say most of the people here would fall into that category.

It is like cars when you think about it. How many car enthusiasts say things like "The cars of today are not real cars. They are too technical and computerised. You can't fix them. They will never be classics....."

Sound familiar? hehehehe

[runequester]

I know what you mean and understand.
Thanks :)


Just look at how we think that at $895 it is too expensive yet when released back in 1982, the Commodore 64 was $595. Computers aren't the prestige they were anymore and as said before, simply appliances now.

It is a hobby. Not for the majority of people but for some. I would say most of the people here would fall into that category.

It is like cars when you think about it. How many car enthusiasts say things like "The cars of today are not real cars. They are too technical and computerised. You can't fix them. They will never be classics....."

Sound familiar? hehehehe

I know plenty of people who are like that about cars. Or stereo equipment.. or guitars.. or ..or..

I think part of it is just that stuff used to kept longer. Now, the assumption is that it'll be replaced or obsoleted.

So if you used your computer/car/guitar for 7 years, and now, the kids are getting a new one every year, crankiness sets in :)

[Amiga_Nut]

I know what you mean and understand.

Just look at how we think that at $895 it is too expensive yet when released back in 1982, the Commodore 64 was $595. Computers aren't the prestige they were anymore and as said before, simply appliances now.

It is a hobby. Not for the majority of people but for some. I would say most of the people here would fall into that category.

It is like cars when you think about it. How many car enthusiasts say things like "The cars of today are not real cars. They are too technical and computerised. You can't fix them. They will never be classics....."

Sound familiar? hehehehe

In 1982 an IBM PC and Atari 800 and Apple II were vastly more expensive and less impressive.

Today though the C64x is an underpowered x86 motherboard worth about $99 in a fancy case you are effectively paying $500 for ;)

[BigBenAussie]

@Amiga_Nut

If you are getting an Intel Atom 1.8Ghz dual core mini-itx motherboard with ION2 for $99 I would like to know where.
When you factor in that this is a designer keyboard with an expensive keyboard mechanism and you add up the components you will see that the C64x has to cost that much.
If the specs stay the same, inevitably prices will decline as they did for the original C64. Your perception of the C64 is coloured by the price late in its long life. We will likely release much much cheaper hardware and case options for the VIC-20x and C16x. The Commodore AMIGA 500x will be more cutting edge.

[Amiga_Nut]

Ballpark figure converting € to $ with no memory. CPU + m/b

I had one of the first C64s in the country as a kid, it cost my dad £399.99. The competing Sinclair Spectrum was £175 or £125 for 16k or 48k. But the PC was 5 to 10 times more the Apple and Atari with less memory was 2 or 3 times more even on launch day prices.

[Franko]

Ballpark figure converting € to $ with no memory. CPU + m/b

I had one of the first C64s in the country as a kid, it cost my dad £399.99.

:eek: Your Dad was robbed... :eek:

I got mine for £399.95... :D

[desiv]

Quick search showed this:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=mozilla&q=ION2+motherboard&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10663822226266255614&sa=X&ei=5eSdTcqxK6SN0QHF1OzCBA&ved=0CDoQ8wIwBA#
Basically, its ION2 based dual core mini-ITX. Prices on the google search start at $170.
Now, I'm sure you could get one for less, especially in quantity, but let's say $150.
Say $100 for the custom keyboard and add memory, drives, etc...
So you're somewhere in the $300 range or so..
(These are highly accurate prices with hundreds of man-years of research in them.. ;-)
Then you have to charge for the case and payback for the custom mold for it..
And you have to make money..

So, while I am not sure people will pay that much for a PC, I don't think it's crazy pricing, especially for an initial release price..

I personally can't justify spending that much on a PC, no matter how kual I think it looks, but I don't think it's an outrageous release price..

Early adopters generally pay much more.. The C64 was almost $600 when released I think. No way my family was going to buy one at that price.. Luckily, others did and the price dropped.. ;-)

desiv
(No preference for either side of the discussion, just watching...)

[Digiman]

:eek: Your Dad was robbed... :eek:

I got mine for £399.95... :D

I know he p/x a 3 month old Vic20 starter pack for full retail price discount.....he did good :)

[klx300r]

@Amiga_Nut

If you are getting an Intel Atom 1.8Ghz dual core mini-itx motherboard with ION2 for $99 I would like to know where.
When you factor in that this is a designer keyboard with an expensive keyboard mechanism and you add up the components you will see that the C64x has to cost that much.
If the specs stay the same, inevitably prices will decline as they did for the original C64. Your perception of the C64 is coloured by the price late in its long life. We will likely release much much cheaper hardware and case options for the VIC-20x and C16x. The Commodore AMIGA 500x will be more cutting edge.


Leo, all the power to you on the C64x as I like the final case but I especially like the fact that you guys don't have to give one cent to AI !

I'll be cringing when anything named Amiga comes out though:furious:

[jorkany]

Let me ask you this - do you see this hostility towards Mike's FPGA project, Natami, or hell - even Acube/Hyperion? Hell, even the AmigaOne???
Ummm, yes? Actually make that, hell yes.

[jorkany]

A concrete jungle on the outskirts of Edinburgh called Livingston, it's a bit like Milton Keynes but with more roundabouts and nutcases... :)

Originally from Glasgow though but living so close to Edinburgh means I don't have to shout as loud now to insult the stuck up buggers... :)

I thought Carstairs Hospital was in South Lanarkshire?

[Iggy]

@Amiga_Nut

If you are getting an Intel Atom 1.8Ghz dual core mini-itx motherboard with ION2 for $99 I would like to know where.
When you factor in that this is a designer keyboard with an expensive keyboard mechanism and you add up the components you will see that the C64x has to cost that much.
If the specs stay the same, inevitably prices will decline as they did for the original C64. Your perception of the C64 is coloured by the price late in its long life. We will likely release much much cheaper hardware and case options for the VIC-20x and C16x. The Commodore AMIGA 500x will be more cutting edge.

Personally, I think its nice that we've got people from C=USA that are willing to counter the negative posts and address any questions. Personally, I agree with some of the posters that think the price is too high. But I don't think its egregiously so. Maybe $100 to $150 over what I'd want to pay for those specs. And the keyboard does lok like it will offer good tactile feedback.
I don't remember an A500x being mentioned before.That should prove interesting.
Thanks Leo.

[SysAdmin]

@Iggy

It costs more than an iPad 2. For an Atom CPU $595 is too high.

[Iggy]

@Iggy

It costs more than an iPad 2. For an Atom CPU $595 is too high.

For a giant iPhone, without the phone, but still using a processor better suited to a phone than a computer the iPad is way over priced. But people are buying those too.

[desiv]

It costs more than an iPad 2. For an Atom CPU $595 is too high.
Except, how many iPad 2's was Apple thinking they'd sell??

How many of the new C64 does CommodoreUSA expect to sell???

I think there's a slight difference in quantity there...
Quantity can make a huge difference...

desiv

[bloodline]

For a giant iPhone, without the phone, but still using a processor better suited to a phone than a computer the iPad is way over priced. But people are buying those too.
I would rather have an Apple A5 CPU than the intel Atom... I like ARM chips :)

[samdu]

@ Duce

No offense, but please:

"Paragraphs"

&

"2 spaces after a Full Stop, Exclaimation and a Colon, 1 space after a Comma or Semi-Colon".

That was hard to read. :)

Two points:

1. Double spaces after punctuation is no longer necessary since the advent of proportional type.

2. Kate Bush rocks. I'm listening to the new release of Deeper Understanding right now. :)

[Iggy]

I would rather have an Apple A5 CPU than the intel Atom... I like ARM chips :)

Personally, I'd agree with you on that. I almost bought a PandaBoard recently. I changed my mind when I realized who quickly the processor was going to be superseded.
My only point was that both devices are overpriced and are still likely to sell well.

[brenry]

Dammy and those people don't want people from these forums asking questions on their forum. Only newbies.

You are banned until 14 Apr 2011 00:00

[Duce]

Dammy and those people don't want people from these forums asking questions on their forum. Only newbies.

You are banned until 14 Apr 2011 00:00

Fun, isn't it! Banned when you ask questions there, ignored or insulted when you ask them questions here.

[mongo]

Fun, isn't it! Banned when you ask questions there, ignored or insulted when you ask them questions here.

Hooray!