Is CommodoreUSA News of interest to Amiga.org Members? Vote Please

[SysAdmin]

We have created this Poll to see just how much interest there is about CommodoreUSA on Amiga.org. We have no interest in CommodoreUSA news or none-news taking over the site but are willing to allow true news items through if our community has in interest in it. Reds visit to CommodoreUSA is an example of real news. He stopped by and gave his honest point of view about the visit. Your feedback is very important to us Amiga.org members so vote your feelings on this heated issue please. Also, don’t be afraid to voice your opinions in the comments section. One of the things that makes Amiga.org great is the freedom to express your feelings and ideas and have great discussions.

[Franko]

Where's the poll selections ???

(Sorry I must have got here a wee bit too quickly... no surprise there I guess... :))

[odin]

Missing option: CUSA is good for entertainment purposes.

[orb85750]

Slippery slope? Will Amiga.org be allowing news about Linux distros into the future?

[runequester]

I dont mind a news story, but the bickering is getting a bit annoying. I guess Ive fed into it myself. Lack of discipline to just skip the threads I guess :)

[WolfToTheMoon]

Probably best not to have any news here as it seems to be affecting some of the members' sanity and health a bit too much.

[commodorejohn]

What exactly is meant by "CommodoreUSA news?" Are we talking independent reporting like redrumloa's thread, or copying CUSA press-release type material, or what?

I'm interested in hearing what independent voices have to say about this whole affair, particularily with the dearth of real solid information on their projects, but I'm very definitely not interested in seeing a bunch of threads that are merely copypastes of the inane things bigbenaussie spouts - well, except when they're particularily amusing.

[number6]

Slippery slope? Will Amiga.org be allowing news about Linux distros into the future?


That might cross the boundary back to C= actually, since they've alluded to Mark Shuttleworth being involved for what would be a unique distro.

Post #147 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33083&forum=17&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0)

#6

[TheBilgeRat]

Meh. Let's wait and see. I would rather take the news stories if all the cusa shills would shut their cock holsters and deactivate their accounts.

[SysAdmin]

Vote please, the current votes are too small to get a proper sample size of the Amiga.org communities feelings on this matter.

[Calen]

Vote casted.
Such a shame all that alleged wealth can't be put to better use.

[save2600]

somewhat interested in relevant news and facts. The pages and pages of bickering and conjectures have got to go though. Not very becoming and yeesh... someone was even driven to say they almost wish they were Atari computer users instead. Talk about the onset of madness! :lol:

To curb pages upon pages of nonsense though, maybe future (qualified) news on the site could be moderated into just a read only blog of sorts?

[Calen]

somewhat interested in relevant news and facts. The pages and pages of bickering and conjectures have got to go though. Not very becoming and yeesh... someone was even driven to say they almost wish they were Atari computer users instead. Talk about the onset of madness! :lol:

They do share more similarities though no? :)

I loved my STE, the day it mysteriously broke down that is and traded it in for the superior A500+. ahmmm ;)

[tone007]

Such a shame all that alleged wealth can't be put to better use.

Some things just can't be bought.

[Franko]

@ Transition

Could you please make this poll one of them sticky wotsit thingies so it remains at the top of the homepage as if it scrolls of the bottom most of the buggers here are too lazy to look for it... :)

[Gazbonk]

I would vote for Commodore, if they developed an advanced operating system based on the Amiga O/S, keeping the kernal small to allow it to run at a maximum speed faster than Windows Whatever, thus taking full advantage of the hardware components installed in the case.

But all I am seeing is a over priced horizontal PC in a large Amiga 500 case.

Sorry Cusa .

[haywirepc]

Voted. They have their own forum, leave their ****hole lies and fake announcements to their own site.

Steven

[mingle]

Some people need to seriously lighten-up around here...

"Hate"... I mean, c'mon...

We're talking about home computers guys.

If you find yourself getting worked-up and agitated about CUSA (or anything related to this hobby), you really need to re-assess your priorities in life.

And if this IS your priority, then respectfully, you need to get a life.

Be passionate, yes, but stressed, vitriolic and manic?

Mike.

[Darrin]

I hope someone is monitoring how many new accounts are voting "Yes". :D

I say "no", but ask again when they actually have some products on the market.

[tone007]

but stressed, vitriolic and manic?

These are natural moods for Amiga users!

[Franko]

I hope someone is monitoring how many new accounts are voting "Yes". :D

I say "no", but ask again when they actually have some products on the market.

Think you might have point there Darrin, there's an awful lot of folk registering right now... ;)

[mbrantley]

... someone was even driven to say they almost wish they were Atari computer users instead. Talk about the onset of madness! :lol:

Hehe. Well, that Firebee thingie does look kinda interesting. :lol:

[XDelusion]

I'm happy for any news that DIRECTLY relates to Amiga based Operating Systems and Hardware that runs them. With that in mind, I look forward to the news, mock ups, and other such junk that Commodore USA are known for. I don't put to much hope in them as I've yet to see a tangible product, but then again this sort of thing is not new to the Amiga community in the least bit.

As for Commodore USA news that has NOTHING to do with Amiga based Operating Systems...

I could care less. Linux never really struck my fancy, nor do any of the other alternative OS's out there, with the exception of Haiku, in which case you've got my undivided attention! :)

[SysAdmin]

I hope someone is monitoring how many new accounts are voting "Yes". :D

I say "no", but ask again when they actually have some products on the market.

No new accounts yet since the release of this Poll.

[Gulliver]

I couldnt vote for "Pancakes" :(

I prefer CommodoreUSA threads, than Ipad/Iphone/Icrap threads, but then it would be great if both of these type of threads could magically vanish into thin air.

[Tension]

We have created this Poll to see just how much interest there is about CommodoreUSA on Amiga.org. We have no interest in CommodoreUSA

Yeah right. Do you think we are idiots? (Well, in fairness most of you are american sheep pig-dogs)

Don't put any C=UNT ads on here.

Ah well. I suppose you'll do it anyway.

Suck my *beep*.

[Darrin]

No new accounts yet since the release of this Poll.

You mean they already had them in place?! Sneaky devils! ;)

[smerf]

Hi,

I have been reading your posts on the new Commodore USA and their items.

Will one of you Grand Amiga Wizards please tell me what kind of computer you are expecting in today's modern age. What in the hello world can you improve that today's computers cannot do.

Some of you really need a life, get this through your head, the original Amiga hardware is old and cannot compete with today's modern day usage. The PPC cpu's that you want to use is about 10 years in back of times. The graphics you want are out of date. Commodore USA is trying to bring back a viable computer that OMG may have some use. It probably isn't quite as good as my 6 core 1090T processor with a new 5790 card but what do you want for $500.

I have been known as a killjoy, an Amiga hater, one who bad mouths your idea's of the Amiga, etc. etc etc. for your knowledge, I have 2 Amiga 4000's, 2 Amiga 3000, 1 Amiga 1000, 1 Amiga CD32, 5 CD32 boards of which 3 I have rebuilt and got working, and 2 Amiga 500's with a Commodore 64 bringing up the hiney end. I have 1 Amiga 4000 that works, 1 Amiga 3000 that works out of the 2 that I claimed. Yes I love my Amiga's, and I use PC computers with Cloanto's Amiga Forever and C64 so I use my original Amiga's less.

What I am saying is someone is trying to update and bring Amiga back, they are using not totally up to date stuff, but better than an outdated 1.2 ghz ppc or a minimig that does a good job of acting like an original Amiga.

Just would like to know, what in the HELLO would you know it all use to bring out the new Amiga?

I used to be like you all, but then I sat back and thought about it, I cannot come up with a solution, except for what Commodore USA is trying to do to bring the Amiga up to the modern age, critiqueing is great, but lets not criticize someone who is trying to do something, they spentz their money on the legal junk, the hardware etc. it is up to you to say yay by buying or nay by not buying but quietly, so that you don't scare any help that the Amiga may have. Hell if Jay listened to you turkeys (no not the country) we would still be playing with the original Atari.

smerf

[amigean]

Red's report pretty much settled the score for me - give the guys a chance

[Amiduffer]

If they have some real hardware/software to sell, fine. Otherwise, don't bother.

[Franko]

Hi smerf... :)

I was going to reply to your post but I have to be honest I never read past the bit that said "Hi"... :)

So instead I'll just say you haven't seen my good pen lying about anywhere have you...:)

Ta very glad

Franko

[SysAdmin]

Yeah right. Do you think we are idiots? (Well, in fairness most of you are american sheep pig-dogs)

Don't put any C=UNT ads on here.

Ah well. I suppose you'll do it anyway.

Suck my *beep*.


Your joking right? You will not be seeing CUSA ads on here.

[Darrin]

Your joking right? You will not be seeing CUSA ads on here.

I think he had more than the 4 pints I had the other night. :D

[runequester]

I used to be like you all, but then I sat back and thought about it, I cannot come up with a solution, except for what Commodore USA is trying to do to bring the Amiga up to the modern age, critiqueing is great, but lets not criticize someone who is trying to do something, they spentz their money on the legal junk, the hardware etc. it is up to you to say yay by buying or nay by not buying but quietly, so that you don't scare any help that the Amiga may have. Hell if Jay listened to you turkeys (no not the country) we would still be playing with the original Atari.

smerf

Heck, turns out my PC was an amiga all along !

[XDelusion]

An Amiga with IRQ's at that!

[itix]

I am not going to buy their Amiga products but it is interesting case nevertheless. So I voted somewhat interested.

[runequester]

An Amiga with IRQ's at that!

yeah, turned out all the complaints that amiga os's only run on outdated mac's or overpriced hardware was wrong. My "amiga" was only 300 dollars brand new from Fry's, and it supports dual core totally.

Im not sure why people keep gibbering on about "OWB" this or that either. Chrome seems to run just fine on this "amiga" too.

And hell, you can play Quakewars and use openoffice. man, amiga got awesome all of a sudden.

[commodorejohn]

Some of you really need a life, get this through your head, the original Amiga hardware is old and cannot compete with today's modern day usage.
Some of you need to get it through your heads that some of us think of the Amiga as something more than just a label to be slapped on things willy-nilly and value an interesting, elegant computer architecture far more than we do raw MIPS. Maybe some of us don't want the Amiga to be just another piece of boring commodity hardware - have you ever considered that?

I used to be like you all, but then I sat back and thought about it, I cannot come up with a solution, except for what Commodore USA is trying to do to bring the Amiga up to the modern age, critiqueing is great, but lets not criticize someone who is trying to do something, they spentz their money on the legal junk, the hardware etc. it is up to you to say yay by buying or nay by not buying but quietly, so that you don't scare any help that the Amiga may have.
I still cannot fathom this "becoming the competition completely is better than doing nothing!" idea. You would seriously rather abandon everything that sets the Amiga apart from modern PCs, even to the point of using a completely unrelated OS, than see it sit dormant? If that's the path to computer immortality, I'd rather it died, thanks.

And I'll say yay or nay any way I HYDROELECTRIC DAM well please, thanks. If pointing out that there is absolutely no significant difference between these machines and any other x86 board in that particular (prefab) case is "scaring the help," they HYDROELECTRIC DAM well ought to be scared.

[TheBilgeRat]

And I'll say yay or nay any way I HYDROELECTRIC DAM well please, thanks. If pointing out that there is absolutely no significant difference between these machines and any other x86 board in that particular (prefab) case is "scaring the help," they HYDROELECTRIC DAM well ought to be scared.

Hey! We don't use that kind of MOTHER FLUNKING SPANISH around here! If we wanted to hear your GRAND-COULEE opinion I would have THREE GORGES asked for your ASWAN opinion!

[zipper]

I get tired of this recent flood of bull, too much like Moo Bunny.

[lsmart]

Slippery slope? Will Amiga.org be allowing news about Linux distros into the future?

If they come with UAE and AmiWM as their default desktop environment it wouldn´t hurt. Of course there are people who argue we even exclude MorphOS and AROS, but I don´t think that is Amiga.org.

[Kesa]

I think he had more than the 4 pints I had the other night. :D
4 pints? Really? Stop comparing your drinking sober limit to other people :roflmao:

[jahc]

Well, I dont think this poll will be very accurate, because I dont think enough people care about Commodore USA to vote..

edit: whoops. I just saw the 22 page thread about redrumloa's visit.. I didnt realise people felt so strongly about it.

[Kesa]

I voted being interested. It would be such a shame not to wish them the best after all their hard work :)

Even if i don't agree with what and how they are doing it i can't say anything bad about them. That's what thoughtful pooh bears do :)

[Retro_71]

I just wish Pyro will just ban all CUSA talk period so sick and tired of it. IF and I do mean if they ever produce anything i wouldn't even give it a glance so why bother putting their News or anything else on here to being with.
Just delete/stop/ban any subject that has Cusa on it, at least a little peace would be back to A.org

[Pyromania]

Voting will be open for another 9-10 days but so far there is more support for CommodoreUSA then we would have guessed.

[kolla]

Voting will be open for another 9-10 days but so far there is more support for CommodoreUSA then we would have guessed.

What? I voted that I'm somewhat interested in CommodoreUSA *News*, that does not mean that I support them, I just find the drama entertaining. Not like there's so much else happening these days.

[coldfish]

I voted "somewhat", eventhough I'm not impressed by their weak and obvious marketing tactics (or lack of) to date.

They still get some credit because of the time, $ and effort spent on the C64 case rapid prototype. I know a largish prototype like that will run into $1000's just in printer time let alone the computer modelling. I'll be impressed if they take it to actual ABS injection moulding, the costs of something that large is not cheap (unless you have prior history with a company ;) ).

And the C= and Amiga brands no longer mean much more to me than some happy memories, so I dont see them as sacred objects that must be kept pure no matter how irrational/irrelevant the reasoning.

Having said that, they dont have a single product I'd be interested in buying: It's easy to run emulation on any PC and I don't see the need to slap a C= sticker on the front or to pretend it's something it isn't.

[obscurepanic]

CommodoreUSA should take a different path. Make an energy-efficient netbook with an AROS distribution of their own. Strangely I would like an AROS distribution with WINE installed.

[XDelusion]

yeah, turned out all the complaints that amiga os's only run on outdated mac's or overpriced hardware was wrong. My "amiga" was only 300 dollars brand new from Fry's, and it supports dual core totally.

Im not sure why people keep gibbering on about "OWB" this or that either. Chrome seems to run just fine on this "amiga" too.

And hell, you can play Quakewars and use openoffice. man, amiga got awesome all of a sudden.


And you can't forget the fact that Amiga users have always wanted to have Microsoft Products on their Work Bench running next to those awesome Google apps! I know I have.

Granted, Google is fairly new and all, I had my bets set on Web Crawler back in the day, but this is ten times better! I like Giant Corporations who I can trust with my most private data.

[J-Golden]

Missing option: CUSA is good for entertainment purposes.

+1 :laughing:

[dammy]

I voted "somewhat", eventhough I'm not impressed by their weak and obvious marketing tactics (or lack of) to date.

They still get some credit because of the time, $ and effort spent on the C64 case rapid prototype. I know a largish prototype like that will run into $1000's just in printer time let alone the computer modelling. I'll be impressed if they take it to actual ABS injection moulding, the costs of something that large is not cheap (unless you have prior history with a company ;) ).

Be impressed then. That injection moulding machine can produce 1 C64x case @ 40 seconds. I was even more impressed, for now it's done down here in S. Florida, where we need the jobs!

And the C= and Amiga brands no longer mean much more to me than some happy memories, so I dont see them as sacred objects that must be kept pure no matter how irrational/irrelevant the reasoning.

Having said that, they dont have a single product I'd be interested in buying: It's easy to run emulation on any PC and I don't see the need to slap a C= sticker on the front or to pretend it's something it isn't.

Fair enough, wait until the Amiga series (with WB6/WBX) is released and read the reviews of it. Perhaps then C=USA may earn your interest. I can't understand why people keep thinking C64x/Vic series with WB5 is C=USA's Amiga when it's not. Although it seems that some people would want others to think that...

Edit: I forgot to mention that the cost for Barry to have the C64x case *designed* so it could get a mould was $20K USD alone.

[coldfish]

Be impressed then. That injection moulding machine can produce 1 C64x case @ 40 seconds. I was even more impressed, for now it's done down here in S. Florida, where we need the jobs!

Fair enough, wait until the Amiga series (with WB6/WBX) is released and read the reviews of it. Perhaps then C=USA may earn your interest. I can't understand why people keep thinking C64x/Vic series with WB5 is C=USA's Amiga when it's not. Although it seems that some people would want others to think that...

Wow! So they have injection moulding under way. What's the finish like... images?

[XDelusion]

So if this is not designed to run WB5 as they are calling it, then I presume that the C64 tribute casing will contain different hardware than the Amiga tribute?

[AmigaNG]

Firstly I dont understand why they got of so much coverage, I mean no one is hardly talking about the three new Amiga's 1000x, 2000x, 3000x (even on their web site, I mean thats Three NEW AMIGA people that doesn't happen very often, Years of waiting for a official new AMIGA and we get THREE! Why are we not all existed about them! Sarcasm overload) Instead we are mostly talking about a C64 replica PC, which is not an Amiga, I have little interest in that ear of Commodore, I was more a Spectrum kind of guy, I mean if we are interested in just Commodore products as well should we not be putting up news items of Commodore Gaming, and Commodore Corp products as well as all the modding and news that happens in the Commodore user group world, my interest in commodore is really that they made the Amiga, thats it. I mean we should of perhaps covered Escom, Gateway and now Acer news as they all own the Amiga at one point.


The other area of discussion is Workbench 5, but it too early to dismiss it or accept that its Amiga related. Point 1 we dont know what exactly it is, weather it just going to be a linux with uae, or more, Point 2 we dont even know if its going to be called Workbench 5 due to the legal mess.



Put it this way before CommodoreUSA relaunch there web site they did advertise an OS called Commodos or something which was meant to be their own developed OS, I dont recall anyone posting any thing about what that OS was going to be, but a simple name change to Workbench and it suddenly the savoury of Amiga to a few users any way. It remind me of when Amiga Inc tried to rename Amiga Anywhere 2 to AmigaOS5 just to try and get new interest in it, and it kind of worked, amazing what a name change can do.


So me personally I'd leave it how it is, it great pop corn material for me and its just to early to know what they offer is going to be of interest to amiga users, it easy to talk about what they hope to do/offer but until they release a product the jury still out, but keeps me busy until I get my AmigaOS4 machine.


Maybe you should just cover product launch on the news page, that way nothing will change.. sorry that a bit low hit from me. :roflmao:

[XDelusion]

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

Tell me that ain't going to be Linux with some sort of Amiga esque skin, or GUI, or something. Assuming it is Amiga esque at all.

[runequester]

Fair enough, wait until the Amiga series (with WB6/WBX) is released and read the reviews of it. Perhaps then C=USA may earn your interest. I can't understand why people keep thinking C64x/Vic series with WB5 is C=USA's Amiga when it's not. Although it seems that some people would want others to think that...

Im not trying to be snarky here, but calling it "workbench" if you don't want to draw amiga parallels might be kind of a weird move.

[runequester]

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

Tell me that ain't going to be Linux with some sort of Amiga esque skin, or GUI, or something. Assuming it is Amiga esque at all.

That was more or less confirmed in one of the other threads. And honestly, there's no other option out there they could use.
You can't do these things from scratch anymore, unless you have significant corporate backing that they lack, and there's nothing else to use without paying hefty fees for doing so.

THis is without passing judgement on whether its a good thing or not.

[XDelusion]

Maybe they have coders working 18 hours a day in sweat shops in Iraq. Or have we established those yet?

[Amiga_Nut]

Hi,

I have been reading your posts on the new Commodore USA and their items.

Will one of you Grand Amiga Wizards please tell me what kind of computer you are expecting in today's modern age. What in the hello world can you improve that today's computers cannot do.

Some of you really need a life, get this through your head, the original Amiga hardware is old and cannot compete with today's modern day usage. The PPC cpu's that you want to use is about 10 years in back of times. The graphics you want are out of date. Commodore USA is trying to bring back a viable computer that OMG may have some use. It probably isn't quite as good as my 6 core 1090T processor with a new 5790 card but what do you want for $500.

I have been known as a killjoy, an Amiga hater, one who bad mouths your idea's of the Amiga, etc. etc etc. for your knowledge, I have 2 Amiga 4000's, 2 Amiga 3000, 1 Amiga 1000, 1 Amiga CD32, 5 CD32 boards of which 3 I have rebuilt and got working, and 2 Amiga 500's with a Commodore 64 bringing up the hiney end. I have 1 Amiga 4000 that works, 1 Amiga 3000 that works out of the 2 that I claimed. Yes I love my Amiga's, and I use PC computers with Cloanto's Amiga Forever and C64 so I use my original Amiga's less.

What I am saying is someone is trying to update and bring Amiga back, they are using not totally up to date stuff, but better than an outdated 1.2 ghz ppc or a minimig that does a good job of acting like an original Amiga.

Just would like to know, what in the HELLO would you know it all use to bring out the new Amiga?

I used to be like you all, but then I sat back and thought about it, I cannot come up with a solution, except for what Commodore USA is trying to do to bring the Amiga up to the modern age, critiqueing is great, but lets not criticize someone who is trying to do something, they spentz their money on the legal junk, the hardware etc. it is up to you to say yay by buying or nay by not buying but quietly, so that you don't scare any help that the Amiga may have. Hell if Jay listened to you turkeys (no not the country) we would still be playing with the original Atari.

smerf

A PC inside and Amiga shaped bit of plastic running the same Linux version of UAE as my DELL XPS PC at home does NOT equal Amiga.

Some clever sod quite rightly pointed out that if on such a machine you copied the executable files from something like TV Paint or Vista Pro 4 for Amiga and it did nothing without UAE running (they are RTG applications with no sound) then it is sod all to do with Amiga.

You clearly are one of the losers who might purchase a lump of plastic that looks like an old Amiga model running x86 Linux with plain vanilla UAE pre-installed via x86 motherboard as some sort of 'Amiga' :roflmao:

MOS/OS4/AROS are half Amigas, take their unique abilities of being OS binary compatible away and you have a PC and nothing more ;)

[yssing]

voted "have no interest" but sure, if amiga.org will have linux and windows news as well, then sure. lets have CUSA news also.

[XDelusion]

A PC inside and Amiga shaped bit of plastic running the same Linux version of UAE as my DELL XPS PC at home does NOT equal Amiga.

Some clever sod quite rightly pointed out that if on such a machine you copied the executable files from something like TV Paint or Vista Pro 4 for Amiga and it did nothing without UAE running (they are RTG applications with no sound) then it is sod all to do with Amiga.

You clearly are one of the losers who might purchase a lump of plastic that looks like an old Amiga model running x86 Linux with plain vanilla UAE pre-installed via x86 motherboard as some sort of 'Amiga' :roflmao:

MOS/OS4/AROS are half Amigas, take their unique abilities of being OS binary compatible away and you have a PC and nothing more ;)

I rather like C64 lump of plastic actually. If it were cheaper than gutting and populating an old C64 your self, then I'd say it would be worth the money, but something tells me he's going to be asking a pretty penny.



Anyhow, I never seem to hear anyone slamming the Imica, let alone discussing their experiences with it. Maybe it's because Imica isn't using the Amiga name?

From the sounds of it, AROS and it work quite well together and have some sort of update system worked out. I've also heard that they are not expensive, and come with a bracket to mount behind your flat screen display if you want. Not a shabby little Wii looking thing if I do say so my self.

I must admit, I do look forward to being able to cheaply purchase a laptop that works as well with AROS as the Imica does. I just need to find the model with the PERFECT chip set.

[takemehomegrandma]

We have created this Poll to see just how much interest there is about CommodoreUSA on Amiga.org. We have no interest in CommodoreUSA news or none-news taking over the site but are willing to allow true news items through if our community has in interest in it. Reds visit to CommodoreUSA is an example of real news. He stopped by and gave his honest point of view about the visit. Your feedback is very important to us Amiga.org members so vote your feelings on this heated issue please. Also, don’t be afraid to voice your opinions in the comments section. One of the things that makes Amiga.org great is the freedom to express your feelings and ideas and have great discussions.

Why would amiga.org want to go down the route of start banning news about certain selected things? That's something a few notorious *other* sites do, and IMHO this goes completely against everything amiga.org stands for. Because this was the point of the poll, that you are considering this, yes?

[Kesa]

Why would amiga.org want to go down the route of start banning news about certain selected things? That's something a few notorious *other* sites do, and IMHO this goes completely against everything amiga.org stands for. Because this was the point of the poll, that you are considering this, yes?

Why? you obviously have not been reading the recent threads involving C=usa. It's been pretty agro around here lately. If it's always going to be hostile maybe we should stop hosting news and threads about C=usa to keep the peace :)

[bloodline]

Just want to add that while I don't have any interest in "C=USA", I don't see the need to censor news. So what if people get their panties in a twist... At least it get a discussion going!

Who knows this company might produce something of interest for me! ;)

[cicero790]

Voted very interested.

[Tempest]

I voted somewhat interested. Not because I'm going to buy CUSA products, just because of it's entertainment value.

I Hope Amiga.org isn't turning into another AW.net where there have been various similar threads in the past against MorphOS and Aros created by BHF's trying to ban discussions about these systems from their forums.

[danwood]

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

Tell me that ain't going to be Linux with some sort of Amiga esque skin, or GUI, or something. Assuming it is Amiga esque at all.

From what I read it's basically going to be Ubuntu with a KDE theme that looks like the Amiga, probably this

http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19814&file1=19814-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Amiga+BlueTabs-Light

and with E-UAE pre-installed, can't imagine it being much more.

[persia]

Looks like an even split 2/3s of us want nothing to do with the company, the other 2/3s don't mind ...

[Kesa]

Looks like an even split 2/3s of us want nothing to do with the company, the other 2/3s don't mind ...

Yeah that makes perfect sense. Even split of 2/3, so we add them both together and we get 1/2/2? We are clearly split down the middle :hammer:

[DCAmiga]

Voted 'No Interest'
x86 Amiga's ?? Is CUSA trying to P*ss us off ?
Couldnt they come up with a new name instead ?

I might be interested if they hired some engineers, and poured some money into R&D to revive and advance our 68K CPU and custom chipset for modern use. The Natami team say its possible for a 68K to reach Several GHz but lack time and major funds.

Hmmm 'Multi-core 68k @ 2 ghz+' ... time to wake up

[takemehomegrandma]

Why? you obviously have not been reading the recent threads involving C=usa. It's been pretty agro around here lately. If it's always going to be hostile maybe we should stop hosting news and threads about C=usa to keep the peace :)

Yes I have indeed noticed that some people are really upset with this. A few (not that many really) has been really loud and emotional about it even. But frankly, I have no problems with that. When I get tired of seeing Darrin insulting everyone and his dog page up and page down, I simply go to another thread. And under any circumstances; wouldn't it be better to ban those people who can't behave and act in a civil manner, rather than banning certain topics of discussion?

[Franko]

Woof Woof ... :)

[Bigbronc]

Wow, I don't speak up much here because I don't know that much of all the stuff posted here, but what I do see is people imposing there beliefs on others. I asked a question on CUSA facebook page and a troll started spaming me to go away. I asked who he was and why did he feel so. He replyed that he was protecting me? Huh from what? Looking into something Amiga, I agree, this thing they have is not my Amiga of day gone by, but what is? I found Amiga.org and felt like I found my home, nobody I know, knows what a Amiga is, nobody cares. having said that, I care, I do love this old relic, I learned computers on the Amiga, but went I returned to the USA, there was nothing left, I had to learn Windows, glad I did, I make my living with what I know, and don't a day go by that my Amiga learning don't help me. Does that make me have the power to make others stay away from my image of what a Amiga should be? Should all others see the Amiga in my percived image. This sounds a lot like religion. I don't know the answer so don't flame me for having my own views, don't troll me for looking at what you don't what me to see. let me decide, I will listen to your views, but in the end I make up my mind. just like every one else. Some people on this form talk a big game, anti pirate, anti e bay anti anything not in there point of view. But I tell you what, some names here sell copies of Amiga disk on E bay, I know I brought some, And I see them on the posting here like they don't. Double standards are just that, you can not have it both ways, walk the walk, or set down. Franko I respect you, you have stayed true to your beliefs as misguilded as they maybe. And here is the place to do just that, but to spam some one else's site is wrong, Who spamed me on the CUSA site is wrong, even if they felt they were protecting me. having rambled this long, let me say I hope the Amiga rises from the ashes and becomes something we use in the furture.

[Amiga_Nut]

Voted 'No Interest'
x86 Amiga's ?? Is CUSA trying to P*ss us off ?
Couldnt they come up with a new name instead ?

I might be interested if they hired some engineers, and poured some money into R&D to revive and advance our 68K CPU and custom chipset for modern use. The Natami team say its possible for a 68K to reach Several GHz but lack time and major funds.

Hmmm 'Multi-core 68k @ 2 ghz+' ... time to wake up

If we were talking of something akin to AROS then fair enough, many people have already decided Amiga today doesn't have to have Paula chip on the motherboard and UAE is acceptable when custom chips are not present.

[spihunter]

I have zero interest in C=USA. I vote that we just ignore these guys until they have a product to ship. I know it can be highly entertaining to spar with the C=USA drones on here but it's getting pretty old now.......

[motrucker]

Since the products they (CommodoreUSA) are releasing are all wintel type computers, I have almost no interest. I use Windows machines, but prefer to assemble my own - picking and choosing the best parts I can afford at the time.
I could care less about a small footprint or low to no noise.
I can assemble a really kick ass machine for a fraction of what a "name brand" machine would cost.
I may sound like a heretic here with this next statement, but I could care less about Linux too. It has its good points, but that's another thread altogether.
I am not really against Commodore USA, but to me they no different than Dell, or Gateway, or Alien....

[redrumloa]

Why? you obviously have not been reading the recent threads involving C=usa. It's been pretty agro around here lately. If it's always going to be hostile maybe we should stop hosting news and threads about C=usa to keep the peace :)

Hostile? Just a reminder of how things were in the past. Same kind of outrage happened with AROS, UAE, MorphOS, Amithlon etc. Anything that does not conform to a narrow view of what "Amiga" should be is greeted with a full on assault by a segment of our Kommunity. Anyone who does not join the jihad are labeled heretics who must be destroyed.

It's a shame that in 2011 there are still some in our Kommunity who take this religous view. I have *NO* interest in OS4 but I don't want to see news of it banned and OS4 users strung up on trees for mentioning it.

[Franko]

Wow, I don't speak up much here because I don't know that much of all the stuff posted here, but what I do see is people imposing there beliefs on others. I asked a question on CUSA facebook page and a troll started spaming me to go away. I asked who he was and why did he feel so. He replyed that he was protecting me? Huh from what? Looking into something Amiga, I agree, this thing they have is not my Amiga of day gone by, but what is? I found Amiga.org and felt like I found my home, nobody I know, knows what a Amiga is, nobody cares. having said that, I care, I do love this old relic, I learned computers on the Amiga, but went I returned to the USA, there was nothing left, I had to learn Windows, glad I did, I make my living with what I know, and don't a day go by that my Amiga learning don't help me. Does that make me have the power to make others stay away from my image of what a Amiga should be? Should all others see the Amiga in my percived image. This sounds a lot like religion. I don't know the answer so don't flame me for having my own views, don't troll me for looking at what you don't what me to see. let me decide, I will listen to your views, but in the end I make up my mind. just like every one else. Some people on this form talk a big game, anti pirate, anti e bay anti anything not in there point of view. But I tell you what, some names here sell copies of Amiga disk on E bay, I know I brought some, And I see them on the posting here like they don't. Double standards are just that, you can not have it both ways, walk the walk, or set down. Franko I respect you, you have stayed true to your beliefs as misguilded as they maybe. And here is the place to do just that, but to spam some one else's site is wrong, Who spamed me on the CUSA site is wrong, even if they felt they were protecting me. having rambled this long, let me say I hope the Amiga rises from the ashes and becomes something we use in the furture.

That's what pee's me off about certain folk on this site the sheer hypocrisy and lets face it blatant lies the these certain folk post here... :)

I too know the ones your talking about from ebay but to be honest I don't have a problem with that, if folk are willing to pay for "pirated software" that's their choice, silly really when it can be found easily on the net for free... :)

I didn't get to "Spam" CUSAs Facebook site cos the ignorant buggers deleted my very first post which was not "spam" and every time I tried to post it again the sad gits kept deleting it until they banned me... :)

You may consider my views misguided but it's just that I genuinely believe what I say otherwise there would be no point in saying it... :)

Still were all entitled to our views except CUSA cos they don't allow other folk to express their views about them... :)

[persia]

But here's the thing, the new Amigas appear to be rather vanilla PCs. You could use them but why buy one over some other vanilla PC. The beauty of PCs is that you can build them yourself out of parts, why should I buy a collection of parts put together by a 1984 Satellite TV guy over what I can source myself?

[redrumloa]

But here's the thing, the new Amigas appear to be rather vanilla PCs. You could use them but why buy one over some other vanilla PC. The beauty of PCs is that you can build them yourself out of parts, why should I buy a collection of parts put together by a 1984 Satellite TV guy over what I can source myself?

If that is your opinion, you are entitled to it. I just don't see why some people see Commodore USA (or anyone who discusses it) as a personal threat that should be castigated and banned.

[Franko]

Hostile? Just a reminder of how things were in the past. Same kind of outrage happened with AROS, UAE, MorphOS, Amithlon etc. Anything that does not conform to a narrow view of what "Amiga" should be is greeted with a full on assault by a segment of our Kommunity. Anyone who does not join the jihad are labeled heretics who must be destroyed.

It's a shame that in 2011 there are still some in our Kommunity who take this religous view. I have *NO* interest in OS4 but I don't want to see news of it banned and OS4 users strung up on trees for mentioning it.

What's with the "Religious" crap, peoples views on computer related subjects has nothing to do with "religion"...

[dammy]

Why? you obviously have not been reading the recent threads involving C=usa. It's been pretty agro around here lately. If it's always going to be hostile maybe we should stop hosting news and threads about C=usa to keep the peace :)

Who is generating most those C=USA threads? Why it's those not friendly to C=USA, see who started this poll as proof. Of the four choices, one was positive, one was partially positive followed by negative and then one that specifically mentions, "hate." Does that sounds like a neutral poll?

[dammy]

But here's the thing, the new Amigas appear to be rather vanilla PCs. You could use them but why buy one over some other vanilla PC. The beauty of PCs is that you can build them yourself out of parts, why should I buy a collection of parts put together by a 1984 Satellite TV guy over what I can source myself?

So tell me exactly, down to the OS description, what C=USA Amigas are? Hint, only thing they have been showing is the C64x and the Vic series and what cases they are going to be using for the Amiga series.

[tone007]

Of the four choices, one was positive, one was partially positive followed by negative and then one that specifically mentions, "hate."

"Having no interest" is not negative, it is the neutral choice. I have no interest in beekeeping, but I am not against it.

[bloodline]

What's with the "Religious" crap, peoples views on computer related subjects has nothing to do with "religion"...
Any irrational (no matter how rational to the believer) belief is a religion.

[Franko]

Any irrational (no matter how rational to the believer) belief is a religion.

Cobblers... :)

[klx300r]

I would be happy if CUSA post their news on the Linux forums where it belongs..I'm sure many Linux users will gladly help them with their Amiga themed skins:rolleyes:

[spihunter]

Maybe just no CUSA news on the front page?. I'd be happy with that.


I would be happy if CUSA post their news on the Linux forums where it belongs..I'm sure many Linux users will gladly help them with their Amiga themed skins:rolleyes:

[commodorejohn]

So tell me exactly, down to the OS description, what C=USA Amigas are? Hint, only thing they have been showing is the C64x and the Vic series and what cases they are going to be using for the Amiga series.
Hmm, let's see. According to this page, (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Amiga.aspx) " Our modern day AMIGA incarnation will feature 'AMIGA Workbench 5'." And, oh, this page (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx) describes "Workbench 5" as:
a distinctive, attractive, advanced and stable operating system experience, that will come pre-loaded with dozens of the latest and greatest productivity, creativity and education software the open source world has to offer. Featuring dozens of exciting 3D games, the latest web browsing technology, a Microsoft Word compatible Office Suite, advanced graphical manipulation programs, 3D raytracing software, advanced software development tools and languages, photo and movie editing and sound and music composition programs, there is no task too big or too small for a Commodore or AMIGA to accomplish.
Now let's see. Of the various operating systems out there, which ones offer "the latest and greatest productivity, creativity and education software the open source world has to offer?" That would be Windows, OSX, and...Linux. And which of those doesn't require licensing fees and is easily customizable to add an Amiga-like look? Let's see, that would be Linux, (http://www.lysator.liu.se/~marcus/amiwm.html) wouldn't it?

We can keep playing this "dance around the fact that they haven't officially revealed the OS yet" game, but pretending that it's not obvious is just stupid. If they update their site with new information and it turns out that's wrong, I'll gladly eat the requisite crow, but until then, any old idiot can put this particular two and two together.

[gazgod]

I voted "very interested" and I for one welcome our CUSA overlords ;)

I really reserve judgement until they release the "amiga" OS but basing the next generation of amiga os on Linux is the only way to go it would give access to multi core cpus and > 2 gig of memory out of the box something that the current clones (Aros, Morphos and OS4) don't as they are all retarded by the 3.1 api that commodore themselves were going to throw away had they survived. I own several massively upgraded classics, a morphos machine and two aros machines here but they very rarely get switch on as for amiga games emulation is far easier and for real work they either lack the apps, the speed or the data sets or too large to be processed.

As i have said before It all comes down to what CUSA produces and I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt until the product is released. I just wish that some of the religious zealots here the same benefit before they get the burning torches out.

The double standards of the amiga Kommunity never fail to amaze me when the same people that back AEON all the way are dead against CUSA who to me seem to have a similar track record.

[persia]

C=USA is a new dream unrelated to the dream we had as classic Amiga users. It's a Chinese PC clone that may or may not run a skinned Linux. I am underwhelmed. It's about some guy who ran a satellite TV installation service in the 80's trying to make a mark on the world. There's a thousand other dreams out there like it.

Fine, some cable guy wants to go out and dropship PC clones using a mark that still means something to us, it's his dream and he should be able to do it, but why so much wasted space about it here?

[jorkany]

C=USA is a new dream unrelated to the dream we had as classic Amiga users. It's a Chinese PC clone that may or may not run a skinned Linux. I am underwhelmed. It's about some guy who ran a satellite TV installation service in the 80's trying to make a mark on the world. There's a thousand other dreams out there like it.


"There's a million dreams in the big city, this is one of them. I've got five shots in me, three lead, two bourbon..."

[cgutjahr]

Same kind of outrage happened with AROS, UAE, MorphOS, Amithlon etc. Anything that does not conform to a narrow view of what "Amiga" should be is greeted with a full on assault by a segment of our Kommunity.
Let's not try to rewrite history here please. I remember a time when you couldn't mention your interest in OS4 on this very site without being ridiculed by either the webmaster himself or a whole bunch of pretty aggressive people. We're all nuts, period.

As for this stupid poll: The webmaster is adding fuel to the fire again - very clever. Thanks a lot for that, it's not like we had enough CUSA threads yet...

[Plaz]

I am naturally curious and I don't mind interesting news. However in an Amiga OS forum the latest breaking sales campain for cases and linux distributions don't interest me.

Future events could sway my interest, but for now I can always check in at CUSA's site if my curiosity ever gets the best of me.

My feeling at this time (which may be incorrect) is that there's a clever marketing attempt to drive opinion on current Amiga forums so that all Amiga roads lead back to CUSA.

Plaz

[Plaz]

Let's not try to rewrite history here please. I remember a time when you couldn't mention your interest in OS4 on this very site without being ridiculed by either the webmaster himself or a whole bunch of pretty aggressive people.

+1 on that.

Plaz

[djrikki]

Surely the title of the thread should be...

Is CommodoreScotland News of interest to Amiga.org Members? Vote please.

Or perhaps you could add that in as a further option.

xD

Naturally I voted option C, as C=AUS' plans have nothing to do with the Amiga operating system. And yes I call it C=AUS instead of C=USA. =p

[spihunter]

Putting everything else aside, I think it's a really bad idea to be starting a new desktop computer business in general. Most people I know are using their phone or a laptop for all thier computer needs these days.

I know these things are supposed to be aimed at the "retro" crowd but how long will it be before the novelty wears off?. I'm guessing not long.......

[Franko]

I voted "very interested" and I for one welcome our CUSA overlords ;)

I really reserve judgement until they release the "amiga" OS but basing the next generation of amiga os on Linux is the only way to go it would give access to multi core cpus and > 2 gig of memory out of the box something that the current clones (Aros, Morphos and OS4) don't as they are all retarded by the 3.1 api that commodore themselves were going to throw away had they survived. I own several massively upgraded classics, a morphos machine and two aros machines here but they very rarely get switch on as for amiga games emulation is far easier and for real work they either lack the apps, the speed or the data sets or too large to be processed.

As i have said before It all comes down to what CUSA produces and I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt until the product is released. I just wish that some of the religious zealots here the same benefit before they get the burning torches out.

The double standards of the amiga Kommunity never fail to amaze me when the same people that back AEON all the way are dead against CUSA who to me seem to have a similar track record.

Kinda weird how folk who like the genuine, original and only real Amigas ever made or produced are branded with words like "Religious", "Zealots" and now "Kommunity" mostly by total dunderheeds who can't even understand that they should be using the same words to describe themselves... :)

I mean fer fecks sake all this nonsense about what you whahoos think the next Amiga should be based on and which type of processor you think or which type of OS you think it should use (eg: Linux, x86 etc.. etc...) is as about as "Religious" and all that clap trap as you can get... :)

Most of the time they are proudly proclaiming the Amiga is dead and gone and no-one will ever or can bring it back to life then the silly buggers go on spouting their idiotic views on what the next generation of so called Amigas should use for it's processor or operating system based on their own so called expert opinions.... geeza a brek... :lol:

There one thing that can be said about the Amiga Community, some of them obviously don't even understand what they are typing on here... :)

[redrumloa]

Let's not try to rewrite history here please. I remember a time when you couldn't mention your interest in OS4 on this very site without being ridiculed by either the webmaster himself or a whole bunch of pretty aggressive people. We're all nuts, period.


I'm not trying to rewrite history and saying we're all nuts is probably accurate. Once upon a time I was interested in the "AmigaOne" and AmigaOS 4" to the point I was labeled a blind blonde cheerleader:lol:

That was about a decade ago.. Wow...

[dammy]

I am naturally curious and I don't mind interesting news. However in an Amiga OS forum the latest breaking sales campain for cases and linux distributions don't interest me.

That's all that has been said so far about the C=USA Amiga series. Cases that will be modified and a slight mention of WB6/WBX by Leo with basically no information about any details of the new OS. Yet we get these mega threads about the C64x/Vic series with a tweaked Linux distro called WB5 and proclaimed by those who don't like C=USA as the new "Amiga." which it isn't.

Future events could sway my interest, but for now I can always check in at CUSA's site if my curiosity ever gets the best of me.

I'm not that big on C64x or Vics with WB5 either. Perhaps when the new Amigas and WB6/WBX information is released, that might make you want to check out commodoreusa.net or commodore-amiga.org sites.

My feeling at this time (which may be incorrect) is that there's a clever marketing attempt to drive opinion on current Amiga forums so that all Amiga roads lead back to CUSA.

Plaz

Only advertising going out the door is for the C64x. I suspect some Vic advertising to follow in the coming months. Amiga will more then likely follow that, if there is any significant Vic advertising. You will know when C=USA is ready to release the Amiga series, the information will be out there for all to read.

[takemehomegrandma]

But here's the thing, the new Amigas appear to be rather vanilla PCs. You could use them but why buy one over some other vanilla PC. The beauty of PCs is that you can build them yourself out of parts, why should I buy a collection of parts put together by a 1984 Satellite TV guy over what I can source myself?

Neither you nor me currently knows what Commodore's new Amiga's will be.

But what we do know, is that Amiga at its time was mostly about its special hardware. The OS was greatly under-prioritized when it came to R&D; it was merely used as a way to fire upp the SW, which mostly was HW banging games. So if Commodore at some point in the future releases a new Amiga, possibly in a remake of the A1200 case á la their new C64, that can be used as a *real* 201x level computer as well as being capable of playing all the Amiga games, then I will surely want to read the news about it here on amiga.org. Period.

The current Amiga community consists of "Classic" and UAE users (presumably the biggest part?), MorphOS users, AROS users and OS4 users. What all the fuzz is about, is that the OS4 fraction (possibly the smallest part?) of the community has gotten confused and upset, since their view of OS4 as something exclusive and the only "true" Amiga has been disturbed. But frankly, that's their problem. And it's funny to see how they first condemn Commodore's Amiga's as "vanilla PC's" (despite knowing nothing of what it will be), only to the next moment praise "their" HW, which has the same vanilla PC controllers and components, and whose only different from the other vanilla PC's are that they are obscure, vastly over priced and under performing.

The last *real* Amigas (evolutionary speaking) was the AGA machines. Putting an "amigaone" label on a motherboard consisting of a pile of bog-standard vanilla PC controllers doesn't make it an Amiga any more than putting a Commodore Amiga label on another, similar motherboard.

[redrumloa]

Kinda weird how folk who like the genuine, original and only real Amigas ever made or produced are branded with words like "Religious", "Zealots" and now "Kommunity" mostly by total dunderheeds who can't even understand that they should be using the same words to describe themselves... :)

For some reason you keep getting a pass on your personal attacks. Remarks like by total dunderheeds are against the TOS. Please refrain from personal attacks.

You pretend to be new to online and new to the Kommunity, so I will pretend you really don't know. The term Kommunity is not new, rather it dates back to the late 90's. It had to do with some nonsense Barry (Fleecy) Moss was pushing and some idea he called KOSH. In this idea there was no community, rather a Kommunity. The term stuck.

[Franko]

For some reason you keep getting a pass on your personal attacks. Remarks like by total dunderheeds are against the TOS. Please refrain from personal attacks.

You pretend to be new to online and new to the Kommunity, so I will pretend you really don't know. The term Kommunity is not new, rather it dates back to the late 90's. It had to do with some nonsense Barry (Fleecy) Moss was pushing and some idea he called KOSH. In this idea there was no community, rather a Kommunity. The term stuck.

So when Karlos called certain folks TITS in a recent thread that fine I suppose...

More hypocrisy... but no surprise there I reckon...

I shall point this out to you once and once only, I am not "pretending" that I am new to being online and if you wish to keep making this accusation either prove it or shut up about it... :)

[takemehomegrandma]

Maybe just no CUSA news on the front page?. I'd be happy with that.

There was a time when AW.net didn't allow AROS or MorphOS on the front page, while allowing Playstation stuff, Linux stuff, etc.

That's pure crap.

That's not amiga.org.

If people can't behave because of some news, then ban those who can't behave, don't ban the news.

[dammy]

Wow! So they have injection moulding under way. What's the finish like... images?

AFAIK, what Red showed in his gallery is it.

[dammy]

So if this is not designed to run WB5 as they are calling it, then I presume that the C64 tribute casing will contain different hardware than the Amiga tribute?

AFAIK, less Leo can say differently, with the exception of a possible A500x that they are looking at, no hardware is written in stone for the Amiga series. It's all more then likely going to be Intel based (with the updated (fixed) version of Sandy bridge) is as far as it's gotten. WB6/WBX has hardware requirements of it's own.

For me personally, I wouldn't consider buying a big box Amiga unless at at minimum, a quad core.

You have to remember, priority #1 for C=USA is the successful launch of the C64x. The rest is in the pipeline at different stages.

[KThunder]

Kinda weird how folk who like the genuine, original and only real Amigas ever made or produced are branded with words like "Religious", "Zealots" and now "Kommunity" mostly by total dunderheeds who can't even understand that they should be using the same words to describe themselves... :)

...:)


Folk who like the genuine, original and only real Amigas ever made or produced...

would describe all of us. We all owned Amigas and thought they were great. When my Amiga 1000 died should I have just bought another one? yep thats exactly what I did. Then that one died too. So I bought a 1200 and had to mess around with floppy problems till I finally fixed it and sold it to get a 3000 and it's a3640 board died.

Thats when I realised that this cool hardware is only going to last for so long. The hardware is ok disregarding bad caps, floppy problems, lack of modern video connection (except for 3000) etc etc.

So I run my genuine original and only real Amiga os and software in emulation. The hardware can die, and I dont care, its a cheap pc.

We all liked the hardware, it was great in the 80's, even pretty decent in the 90's, in the 2000's it really showed its age, and now it is tough to find working hardware at all. Most stuff on ebay even has some problems.

You guys with working hardware are lucky, my stuff is all busted.

[Franko]

@ KThunder

Sorry, I would reply here but something more important has to be said right now... :)



@ Redrumloa

As you seem determined to pick me out for anything I say and allow others to get away with what you class as "personal attacks". It clearly shows you have your own little vendetta against me because of events in recent days.

Your pathetic excuse here that using the term "total dunderheeds" is against the TOS is absolute nonsense and you know it. I could pick out hundreds of things folk have said here that are far worse than a silly term like "total dunderheeds" that you choose to ignore.

If you really want to ban me do it right now or be man enough and admit you're just out to get me because your not happy about events of recent days here.

[bloodline]

Cobblers... :)
Shrug, whatever... We all have to choose which flavour of koolaid we prefer.

[dammy]

@ Redrumloa

As you seem determined to pick me out for anything I say and allow others to get away with what you class as "personal attacks". It clearly shows you have your own little vendetta against me because of events in recent days.

Your pathetic excuse here that using the term "total dunderheeds" is against the TOS is absolute nonsense and you know it. I could pick out hundreds of things folk have said here that are far worse than a silly term like "total dunderheeds" that you choose to ignore.

If you really want to ban me do it right now or be man enough and admit you're just out to get me because your not happy about events of recent days here.

Actually Franko, you are the one picking a fight. I don't think Red wanted to touch any of this until the situation was made crystal clear to him so that he had to do something. Trying to assume the victim status won't work, you clearly brought this on yourself and your digging yourself in deeper as you continue your fight with a Moderator.

[runequester]

Neither you nor me currently knows what Commodore's new Amiga's will be.

But what we do know, is that Amiga at its time was mostly about its special hardware. The OS was greatly under-prioritized when it came to R&D; it was merely used as a way to fire upp the SW, which mostly was HW banging games. So if Commodore at some point in the future releases a new Amiga, possibly in a remake of the A1200 case á la their new C64, that can be used as a *real* 201x level computer as well as being capable of playing all the Amiga games, then I will surely want to read the news about it here on amiga.org. Period.

You can buy a real 2011 level computer that is capable of playing all amiga games today, at Dell.

[commodorejohn]

Actually Franko, you are the one picking a fight. I don't think Red wanted to touch any of this until the situation was made crystal clear to him so that he had to do something. Trying to assume the victim status won't work, you clearly brought this on yourself and your digging yourself in deeper as you continue your fight with a Moderator.
While I'm not going to attempt to divine "who started it," I think Franko does have a point. Plenty of people on all sides of the argument have been engaging in name-calling, and the only one I've seen called out for it aside from Franko is Darrin, probably because he has called pretty much everybody even slightly pro-CUSA a sock-puppet at one point or another. I'm not sure where the line between "minor name-calling that people should just shrug off" and "moderator-worthy flameage" is, but I'm pretty sure it's not with Franko's quirky-but-innocuous Scotch slang.

[gazgod]

Kinda weird how folk who like the genuine, original and only real Amigas ever made or produced are branded with words like "Religious", "Zealots" and now "Kommunity" mostly by total dunderheeds who can't even understand that they should be using the same words to describe themselves... :)

I mean fer fecks sake all this nonsense about what you whahoos think the next Amiga should be based on and which type of processor you think or which type of OS you think it should use (eg: Linux, x86 etc.. etc...) is as about as "Religious" and all that clap trap as you can get... :)

Most of the time they are proudly proclaiming the Amiga is dead and gone and no-one will ever or can bring it back to life then the silly buggers go on spouting their idiotic views on what the next generation of so called Amigas should use for it's processor or operating system based on their own so called expert opinions.... geeza a brek... :lol:

There one thing that can be said about the Amiga Community, some of them obviously don't even understand what they are typing on here... :)

FFS man why do you take every comment as a personal attack on you and your beliefs. You just prove my point about religious beliefs.

Options are like aholes, everybody has got one. If you don't like it just unplug you router and get off the interweb because its not going to change as long as you interact with real people.

I love the amiga and my classics, they gave me my start in the world of computing that lead to a rewarding and financially beneficial career. I am a founding member and treasurer of my user group (see my sig) and am as entitled to my opinion as you are yours (probably more so as I understand the world of computing that has evolved since 1994) without been labelled a "dunderhead" or a "whahoo".

Guess what the Amiga is DEAD it died in 1994 when Commodore went tits up everything that has followed is just a reimplementation of a API that was to be killed anyway.

Please don't try to tell me what I can think about, read about or dream about, you'll fail and just make yourself look stupid. If you want to go on a religious (there's that word again) crusade against CUSA for crimes against Amiga than please setup a forum on your site as for one I'm fed up of reading your crap and I personally doubt your sanity.

Gaz

[Buzzfuzz]

I don't care about CUSA news, unless they are making real new Amiga's with Workbench on it.

[redrumloa]

While I'm not going to attempt to divine "who started it," I think Franko does have a point. Plenty of people on all sides of the argument have been engaging in name-calling, and the only one I've seen called out for it aside from Franko is Darrin, probably because he has called pretty much everybody even slightly pro-CUSA a sock-puppet at one point or another. I'm not sure where the line between "minor name-calling that people should just shrug off" and "moderator-worthy flameage" is, but I'm pretty sure it's not with Franko's quirky-but-innocuous Scotch slang.

Making negative remarks are allowed, making highly negative remarks about products are allowed. Personal attacks against individuals is not. Personal attacks prettied up with slang does not change the fact they are personal attacks.

Where to draw the line? Typically we let small things slide unless they get out of hand or get reports from agitated users. I've personally received numerous complaints about Franko by people flabbergasted he has not been banned yet.

If you see other people launching personal attacks that have not been moderated, please click the report button. In the past few days I have moderated 2 people and I know Argo did several others as things got heated.

[Franko]

FFS man why do you take every comment as a personal attack on you and your beliefs. You just prove my point about religious beliefs.

Never said I took anything you said as a personal attack, so your point is not proven... :)

Options are like aholes, everybody has got one. If you don't like it just unplug you router and get off the interweb because its not going to change as long as you interact with real people.

Don't tell me what to do, plain and simple, I seriously doubt someone like you knows anything about real life...

I love the amiga and my classics, they gave me my start in the world of computing that lead to a rewarding and financially beneficial career. I am a founding member and treasurer of my user group (see my sig) and am as entitled to my opinion as you are yours (probably more so as I understand the world of computing that has evolved since 1994) without been labelled a "dunderhead" or a "whahoo".

Whoopty doo & good for you, I'm president and king of CommodoreScotland.com & don't need to work cos I'm loaded but It's nothing to boast about. Never said you weren't entitled to your opinion but your opinion that your probably more so entitled is again only an opinion as you don't know anything about me... :)

Guess what the Amiga is DEAD it died in 1994 when Commodore went tits up everything that has followed is just a reimplementation of a API that was to be killed anyway.

Again yet another opininion, your just full of them aint you... :)

Please don't try to tell me what I can think about, read about or dream about, you'll fail and just make yourself look stupid. If you want to go on a religious (there's that word again) crusade against CUSA for crimes against Amiga than please setup a forum on your site as for one I'm fed up of reading your crap and I personally doubt your sanity.

Can't read or understand things very well can you, if your fed up reading my crap why are you still doing so and responding to it. Split personality or something, I could give you the name of a good psychatrist but I think your beyond help to be honest... so why not listen to your own advice & unplug... :)

Oh and one last thing, not telling you just offering some advice, lighten up a wee bit and try and not take all that you read here too seriously, life's much better when you can see the funny side of it... :)

[Franko]

Where to draw the line? Typically we let small things slide unless they get out of hand or get reports from agitated users. I've personally received numerous complaints about Franko by people flabbergasted he has not been banned yet.

And I've received a number of PMs about you wondering what your problem is since you went on your cosy wee visit to CUSA... :)

To all those poor flabbergasted folk who complained to Redrumloa, shame... :)

[save2600]

The real shame here is that people are allowing CUSA to further divide this community :(

[AndyFC]

The fact that there are 8 pages of thread after this poll suggests there is quite a high volume of interest in CUSA, whether or not peple like their products or what it appears they're trying to do.

This poll is very similar to that which I saw on Amigaworld.net and was very dissappointed to see it there. Same with seeing this one here.

[Franko]

The real shame here is that people are allowing CUSA to further divide this community :(

I agree 100% with that but nothing seems to be getting done about it except for tying to silence those of us who would like to see all this CUSA crap deleted and never mentioned again... :(

But hey, what can you do about it except try and get this across until something is done about ridding the site of CUSA and it's trouble causing here or until you get banned... :)

[gaula92]

Put simply: I HATE CommodoreUSA. What's happening with that scummbag of a company just makes me sick.
Linux machines running an emulators, sold as AMIGA machines? Damn it, I've built various Linux machines with getho pieces and I run Linux on them FOR FREE. Alas, the ONLY usable Amiga emulator for Linux (E-UAE, PUAE) is SO buggy that thinking about buying a hardware to run that is simply stupid.

Amiga is about hardware/software integration with ease of use: Linux is NOT the OS for an Amiga machine, it's the opposite.
Don't be fooled. It's shamefull that we even talk about that CUSA **** here. My worst wishes for that damned company. I hope they all get ruined and have to live from charity soon.

AROS, Minimig, MorphOS and soon FPGAArcade: that's the future.

[lsmart]

The real shame here is that people are allowing CUSA to further divide this community :(

Diversity isn´t negative per se. The only people who are dividing the community are the ones that ridicule the choices of other users and claim superiority of their favorite flavour.

To me it seems like CUSA is catering to the UAE-crowd, who already are a pretty vocal group within the Amiga community.

So it only comes down to the question, if CUSA can really deliver a product that is worth talking about. We shall see.

[save2600]

Diversity isn´t negative per se. The only people who are dividing the community are the ones that ridicule the choices of other users and claim superiority of their favorite flavour.

To me it seems like CUSA is catering to the UAE-crowd, who already are a pretty vocal group within the Amiga community.

So it only comes down to the question, if CUSA can really deliver a product that is worth talking about. We shall see.
Right on ;)

[commodorejohn]

Diversity isn´t negative per se. The only people who are dividing the community are the ones that ridicule the choices of other users and claim superiority of their favorite flavour.
Unfortunately, C-USA is effectively doing just that, with their claim to the "Amiga" crown and the way their site blatantly pushes their product as the "new Amiga." (And that's to say nothing of the behavior of some of their staff towards basically anybody who disagrees with them at all.)

[runequester]

Diversity isn´t negative per se. The only people who are dividing the community are the ones that ridicule the choices of other users and claim superiority of their favorite flavour.

To me it seems like CUSA is catering to the UAE-crowd, who already are a pretty vocal group within the Amiga community.

So it only comes down to the question, if CUSA can really deliver a product that is worth talking about. We shall see.

Dell is catering to the UAE crowd too.

[DAX]

Sorry guys but as an Amigan, I do have a BIG problem with a company that omits EVERYTHING that happened after 1994.
And even way before 1994 as 68060+RTG (ie: a system quite incompatible with old OCS stuff) happened when commodore was still alive and kicking (no mentions whatsoever):

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutAmiga.aspx

We might all have our preferences here, but to say "we are back" omitting what the community went through (and the positive results, as several options are available being it AOS3.9 BB4, AOS4.1Update2, MorphOS, Aros, AFA and Amikit environments) isn't something you want to do to keep the community happy.

[Franko]

Sorry guys but as an Amigan, I do have a BIG problem with a company that omits EVERYTHING that happened after 1994.
And even way before 1994 as 68060+RTG (ie: a system quite incompatible with old OCS stuff) happened when commodore was still alive and kicking (no mentions whatsoever):

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutAmiga.aspx

We might all have our preferences here, but to say "we are back" omitting what the community went through (and the positive results, as several options are available being it AOS3.9 BB4, AOS4.1Update2, MorphOS, Aros, AFA and Amikit environments) isn't something you want to do to keep the community happy.

Dunno about the laws in America but here in the UK if a company used the term "we are back" in their literature and this claim is made in the context that to even just one single person reading it that the reader would be led to believe that this was the original company in question (in this case Commodore). Then in the UK this is would be considered misleading and false advertising/promotion of goods or service... :)

In the UK a simple phone call or email to Trading Standards pointing this out would have the company in question being forced to remove such a claim or make it clear in their literature that they are not in any way referring to themselves as the being the original company involved that "are back" and are in fact a totally different company from the one that their claim implies that they are... :)

Just a thought... :)

[Fats]

The OS was greatly under-prioritized when it came to R&D; it was merely used as a way to fire upp the SW, which mostly was HW banging games.

I can't disagree more. A pre-emptive multitasking OS running in half a meg was a major accomplishment at that time.
I remember it when I got my A2000 and started three or four of the demos with the boxes, rectangles on it and was being really amazed. I can't beleive I am the only one.

greets,
Staf.

[runequester]

Sorry guys but as an Amigan, I do have a BIG problem with a company that omits EVERYTHING that happened after 1994.
And even way before 1994 as 68060+RTG (ie: a system quite incompatible with old OCS stuff) happened when commodore was still alive and kicking (no mentions whatsoever):

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutAmiga.aspx

We might all have our preferences here, but to say "we are back" omitting what the community went through (and the positive results, as several options are available being it AOS3.9 BB4, AOS4.1Update2, MorphOS, Aros, AFA and Amikit environments) isn't something you want to do to keep the community happy.

"we are back" as in a differently named company that licensed the name from a different company that maybe licensed the name from a third company, that bought it from a fourth company who possibly obtained it from the bankrupted Commodore.

Oh, and they might be shipping a computer some day.

[DAX]

Dunno about the laws in America but here in the UK if a company used the term "we are back" in their literature and this claim is made in the context that to even just one single person reading it that the reader would be led to believe that this was the original company in question (in this case Commodore). Then in the UK this is would be considered misleading and false advertising/promotion of goods or service... :)

In the UK a simple phone call or email to Trading Standards pointing this out would have the company in question being forced to remove such a claim or make it clear in their literature that they are not in any way referring to themselves as the being the original company involved that "are back" and are in fact a totally different company from the one that their claim implies that they are... :)

Just a thought... :)

It would certainly look like a false claim to any reasonable man, who happens to have even a tiny grasp of Amiga history I presume...

[jorkany]

It would certainly look like a false claim to any reasonable man, who happens to have even a tiny grasp of Amiga history I presume...

Same with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pn_zuQ24us

[dammy]

Sorry guys but as an Amigan, I do have a BIG problem with a company that omits EVERYTHING that happened after 1994.
And even way before 1994 as 68060+RTG (ie: a system quite incompatible with old OCS stuff) happened when commodore was still alive and kicking (no mentions whatsoever):

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutAmiga.aspx

We might all have our preferences here, but to say "we are back" omitting what the community went through (and the positive results, as several options are available being it AOS3.9 BB4, AOS4.1Update2, MorphOS, Aros, AFA and Amikit environments) isn't something you want to do to keep the community happy.

Does that mean A-EON and Hyperion will be adding C=USA sections to their web pages? Oh, and I guess by your attitude, A-EON and Hyperion should be adding Minimig, NatAmi, MOS, and AROS as well? I am sure I will find your posts on AO and AWN demanding A-EON and Hyperion to add those pages and links, right?

[DAX]

@jorkany
that is a quick video made for fun basically, ask Trevor about other options and he will gladly respond in all honesty (ie: he does acknowledge, have, love and use other options as well, MOS on Mac mini just to name one).

[DAX]

@Dammy
No, but they don't have a page detailing what an Amiga is either.
If you make one, better speak about post 1994 Amiga too. Otherwise, better not have it at all. (hint: follow MOS and AOS4 on this ;-)).

[jorkany]

@jorkany
that is a quick video made for fun basically, ask Trevor about other options and he will gladly respond in all honesty (ie: he does acknowledge, have, love and use other options as well, MOS on Mac mini just to name one).

The point is, CUSA is saying "we're back". A-eon is saying "we're back". IMO, neither are "back", but they're both saying the same thing.

Anyway, it's the same as if you see an ad for an 80's music compilation album advertised on television: "The 80's are back!"

[spihunter]

Wake me up when there's a CUSA icon on Aminet pointing me to CUSA Apps I can install.

Actually Aminet is the last completely neutral Amiga site left. everything is represented there.....



Does that mean A-EON and Hyperion will be adding C=USA sections to their web pages? Oh, and I guess by your attitude, A-EON and Hyperion should be adding Minimig, NatAmi, MOS, and AROS as well? I am sure I will find your posts on AO and AWN demanding A-EON and Hyperion to add those pages and links, right?

[DAX]

The point is, CUSA is saying "we're back". A-eon is saying "we're back". IMO, neither are "back", but they're both saying the same thing.

Anyway, it's the same as if you see an ad for an 80's music compilation album advertised on television: "The 80's are back!"
there is a major difference, one is just a fun video, the other is part of a page that explains what an Amiga is, forgetting about everything but the 1985 launch basically.
Nobody would do that, nor Trevor (again that is just a quick and fun video and cannot compare at all) nor the Mos Team, nor anybody else.

[cicero790]

Thus spoke zarathustra....

If only ppl could focus on their particular interest.

[bloodline]

Dunno about the laws in America but here in the UK if a company used the term "we are back" in their literature and this claim is made in the context that to even just one single person reading it that the reader would be led to believe that this was the original company in question (in this case Commodore). Then in the UK this is would be considered misleading and false advertising/promotion of goods or service... :)

In the UK a simple phone call or email to Trading Standards pointing this out would have the company in question being forced to remove such a claim or make it clear in their literature that they are not in any way referring to themselves as the being the original company involved that "are back" and are in fact a totally different company from the one that their claim implies that they are... :)

Just a thought... :)

I don't want to get involved in this pointless argument, I don't care either way about C=USA... But what you have stated here is total bollocks. There are literally tens of examples of brands that have been resurected in the UK by new companies who trade on the idea they they are "back"... Start with "Golden Wonder"... I will be happy to provide you with plenty more examples should you need it.

[gazgod]

Never said I took anything you said as a personal attack, so your point is not proven... :)

You reponded to my post and quoted it using the words "dunderhead" and "whahoo", so yes i take that as a person attack, either that or you have no manners. Either way life is too short to converse with people like yourself.


snipped rest of Franko's crap

[EDanaII]

I don't want to get involved in this pointless argument, I don't care either way about C=USA... But what you have stated here is total bollocks. There are literally tens of examples of brands that have been resurected in the UK by new companies who trade on the idea they they are "back"... Start with "Golden Wonder"... I will be happy to provide you with plenty more examples should you need it.

In Franko's eyes, Commodore USA can do no right. Barry Altman has but to sneeze and that's an indictment of his villainy. Or so it would appear. :)

[save2600]

Either way life is too short to converse with muppets...

I LOVE Muppets! Especially Animal :)

[runequester]

Does that mean A-EON and Hyperion will be adding C=USA sections to their web pages? Oh, and I guess by your attitude, A-EON and Hyperion should be adding Minimig, NatAmi, MOS, and AROS as well? I am sure I will find your posts on AO and AWN demanding A-EON and Hyperion to add those pages and links, right?

Thatd be great. Morph OS and AROS can follow suit and the amiga world might actually look like its going places.

[Kesa]

Making negative remarks are allowed, making highly negative remarks about products are allowed. Personal attacks against individuals is not. Personal attacks prettied up with slang does not change the fact they are personal attacks.

Where to draw the line? Typically we let small things slide unless they get out of hand or get reports from agitated users. I've personally received numerous complaints about Franko by people flabbergasted he has not been banned yet.

If you see other people launching personal attacks that have not been moderated, please click the report button. In the past few days I have moderated 2 people and I know Argo did several others as things got heated.

I'm sorry i called tone007 a ginger tosser :(

Come to think of it isn't your name red? :hammer:

[smerf]

Hi,

@Amiga Nut,

(A PC inside and Amiga shaped bit of plastic running the same Linux version of UAE as my DELL XPS PC at home does NOT equal Amiga.)

Ok now that we have established you know absoulutely nothing about computers by owning a dell, you are correct sir, even an Amiga 600 outperforms a Dell today.

(Some clever sod quite rightly pointed out that if on such a machine you copied the executable files from something like TV Paint or Vista Pro 4 for Amiga and it did nothing without UAE running (they are RTG applications with no sound) then it is sod all to do with Amiga.)

UHHHH I don't see what sound has to do with Paint Programs, I just turn on my music player while I use these programs on UAE.

(You clearly are one of the losers who might purchase a lump of plastic that looks like an old Amiga model running x86 Linux with plain vanilla UAE pre-installed via x86 motherboard as some sort of 'Amiga' )

You who own a Dell call me a loser, one that uses both Ubuntu, Windows 7, Cloanto's Amiga Forever, and NES emualator on a new 1090T 6 Core computer with a MSI motherboard and AMD graphics card housed in a compaq case that is totally screwless, for fast hardware changes, you couldn't even compete with my Quad 6600, with XFX motherboard with dual SLI NVIDIA boards, and no my old system isn't made out of plastic it is a light Aluminum case, which is once again screwless for fast hardware changes.
Would I buy a Commodore Machine, probably, just so that I could support any hope of a new Amiga comming out.

And face it, to all you Amiga OS users, the Amiga OS is an off shoot of Unix, which is just what Linux is, an off shoot of Unix. This is what gives Amiga, and Linux it's unique abilities of multi tasking and stability.

And once again I challenge you, lets here the new stuff you would put into a new Amiga compter that cannot be accomplished with todays PC's and (ugh)MAC's.

Remember when the first Amiga came out (history lesson for those who weren't born yet) Amber and green screen Monitors were mostly used. msDOS was at 2.11 and Windows had just brought out Windows 1.0 (of which I got a copy of to test try for the Navy) since I was there ADPSO, (automatic data processing security officier).

smerf

[Gazbonk]

Why bother using out of date hardware for CUsa in a commodore logo desktop case.

May as well buy a top of the range motherboard, graphics cards, memory and drives install Cloanto Amiga forever and you have a CUsa machine.

OR


CUsa should concentrate on the software engineering side so that we can install the O/S onto any hardware whether its a server, Mac, Pc or whatever.

OR


When you buy the software you have a

01/ CD / DVD
02/ Licence key for one or two machines
03/ A Commodore USA faceplate to attach to the machine.


Sorry CUsa about being negative.


My personal opinion is it's going to take a lot to convince the old school users to accept this machine.

PS I hope I'm wrong & its successful.

[smerf]

Hi,

Thank you XDelusion,

I have not found a system yet that would run AROS, I have downloaded several versions and have had no success yet of using one on the internet.

I look at the CUSA C64 and see a unit capable of running 3 OS's all in one keyboard, that is fantastic.

smerf

[Duce]

Another long winded post.

With the public presence C-USA has been exhibiting, people still wonder why everyone is so outspoken on the issue. A lot could be said for Franko's (and mine, to some extent) outspoken and point blank nature regarding the company, but there's a lot of dodgy things and unprofessionalism coming from C-USA, no?

Seriously, the one "rep" they have here, good intentions of C-USA or not, is doing a complete disservice to any good the company is trying to do. The dude shouldn't be allowed to speak on behalf of the company at all, he's an absolute liability business wise - nothing personal against the fellow, of course. I won't buy products from pushy forum trolls or people with constantly changing plans, or from people sending paper tiger legal threats, so I'll simply wait and see what products materialize. I've not seen one iota of professionalism come from that camp, and that's why they have likely got the grilling they have received. This combined with the seemingly increased forums moderation on Amiga sites against anyone who questions the company, it's likely the whole C-USA topic should be banned from forums outright. I find that tragically sad when people are chiming in on questionable antics with no personal agenda.

I'm interested in whatever news comes out of this company, but let's face it, it'll be an uphill battle for them given the history of how many people and companies have tried to resurrect the property and essentially have only screwed things up worse (see the AI Arena promises). I'm most likely not in their target market, so in the end the outcome of this affects me absolutely minimally - but I do have a lot of affection for the Commodore and Amiga brands.

Wish them the best of luck, but a PC in a retro case is still just a PC. A new from scratch AmigaOS will never be seen out of this, and I'd be willing to put bank on that, lol. I hope they can market these machines in a price range that is affordable for those that are interested. At the end of the day a PC with Windows/Linux and an emulation solution is a $200 Bestbuy PC away, and no one in their right mind will pay significantly more for what may just be a skinned linux distro, a preinstalled UAE setup, and some vaguely retro case. I am sure some people will buy they regardless of price, the question is - will enough be sold to warrant all these fancy ideas of TV ad campaigns and "app store" overhead? Hell, even the MS app store is having a hard time making much headway, and Windows is used by 90%+ of the market.

Intentions with these guys may be pure, but you could punch holes through their business model 24/7.

[smerf]

That's what pee's me off about certain folk on this site the sheer hypocrisy and lets face it blatant lies the these certain folk post here... :)

I too know the ones your talking about from ebay but to be honest I don't have a problem with that, if folk are willing to pay for "pirated software" that's their choice, silly really when it can be found easily on the net for free... :)

I didn't get to "Spam" CUSAs Facebook site cos the ignorant buggers deleted my very first post which was not "spam" and every time I tried to post it again the sad gits kept deleting it until they banned me... :)

You may consider my views misguided but it's just that I genuinely believe what I say otherwise there would be no point in saying it... :)

Still were all entitled to our views except CUSA cos they don't allow other folk to express their views about them... :)

Hi,

@Franko,

Listen you belligerent, pig headed Irish Amiga Fanatic, one thing I have to say about you is that you loves your miggies. How you doing, OK, I loves my miggies too!!

but at the same time I look for the entertainment value of the CUSA C64. A friend and I where just talking about putting a mini ATX board in a C64 with a slim DVD and a disk drive and running a C64 emulator on it that could run windows. Seemed like a novel idea, but now we could possibly just go out and buy one already made up and we won't have to butcher a C64 to do it. An added plus is that it will run 3 OS's. OK my PC's do that and more now, but all in a machine the size of a keyboard. Class real Class.

OK look out the fanatics like C< John are going to flame me to no end. Look we have already bought the C64's to butcher, both of us agree it would be a shame to do it, but we have been talking of this project for over a year now. Anyhow good to see that you are still in top form and yes I still enjoy my miggies to no end and know that they can never really be emulated in any form. The Amiga was the only real one time machine.

smerf

[commodorejohn]

OK look out the fanatics like C< John are going to flame me to no end.
Feh, I don't care what you do with your own possessions (and it's not like breadbox 64s are a rarity, anyway,) just so long as you're not trying to position yourself as the True Arbiter of What Commodore/Amiga Means.

[Franko]

I don't want to get involved in this pointless argument, I don't care either way about C=USA... But what you have stated here is total bollocks. There are literally tens of examples of brands that have been resurected in the UK by new companies who trade on the idea they they are "back"... Start with "Golden Wonder"... I will be happy to provide you with plenty more examples should you need it.

Provide them all you want I don't really care about a crisp manufacturer myself or any other company who has been resurrected in the past. Perhaps no one complained to TS about them or they didn't use the wording in a context that made them look as though the were the original company, dunno and don't care, not interested... :)

but what I said is not bollocks next time you find something like that happening here give TS a call and try it out then tell me it's bollocks... :)

[Franko]

You reponded to my post and quoted it using the words "dunderhead" and "whahoo", so yes i take that as a person attack, either that or you have no manners. Either way life is too short to converse with muppets like yourself.

If you take words like that as a "person attack" then I'd advice you to never visit Scotland as you'd be very offended just walking down the street if you're that delicate... :)

Oooh Im a muppet I'm really offended reckon I shall just have to report you for that one...

[smerf]

Feh, I don't care what you do with your own possessions (and it's not like breadbox 64s are a rarity, anyway,) just so long as you're not trying to position yourself as the True Arbiter of What Commodore/Amiga Means.

Hi,

Wouldn't do that CJ, Jay Miner and his crew done that a long time ago and I could never compete with him. Just have to think what Jay would do today to bring out a new computer.

smerf

[Franko]

In Franko's eyes, Commodore USA can do no right. Barry Altman has but to sneeze and that's an indictment of his villainy. Or so it would appear. :)

Appearances can be very, very deceptive you know... ;)

[smerf]

Appearances can be very, very deceptive you know... ;)

Hi,

Hey Franko,

Man you really are a defender of the faith, I agree with you that no new computer can compete with the original Amiga. The original Amiga had magic about it, something that no new computer could do. It was the most creative, interesting computer made. How many Pc users today can say that they had a group of people who made demo's up, songs, etc. on their computers.

smerf

[Franko]

Hi,

@Franko,

Listen you belligerent, pig headed Irish Amiga Fanatic, one thing I have to say about you is that you loves your miggies. How you doing, OK, I loves my miggies too!!

but at the same time I look for the entertainment value of the CUSA C64. A friend and I where just talking about putting a mini ATX board in a C64 with a slim DVD and a disk drive and running a C64 emulator on it that could run windows. Seemed like a novel idea, but now we could possibly just go out and buy one already made up and we won't have to butcher a C64 to do it. An added plus is that it will run 3 OS's. OK my PC's do that and more now, but all in a machine the size of a keyboard. Class real Class.

OK look out the fanatics like C< John are going to flame me to no end. Look we have already bought the C64's to butcher, both of us agree it would be a shame to do it, but we have been talking of this project for over a year now. Anyhow good to see that you are still in top form and yes I still enjoy my miggies to no end and know that they can never really be emulated in any form. The Amiga was the only real one time machine.

smerf

Hi Smerf... :)

I was going to say how's gawn ya auld smelly half Irish half Yankee Doodle numptie but I'd better not or it'll be classed as being offensive and a personal attack... :)

I agree the CUSA stuff is entertaining but certain <censored by meself> here have no concept of the word humour or have ever read any of my posts since I came back from my wee break otherwise they would have realised something by now... :)

I guess that shouldn't surprise me though judging by how dim some of the <censored by meself> are around this place... :)

Oh well need to be off now to scour the rest of the sight and see who else hasn't managed to work it out yet... :)

Franko

[Lando]

What a strange question for a poll. I have about as much interest as in seeing Acer or Dell news appear here. Honestly....

[Cammy]

www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png

:(

[Kesa]

www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png)

:(

:confused:

[smerf]

Hi Smerf... :)

I was going to say how's gawn ya auld smelly half Irish half Yankee Doodle numptie but I'd better not or it'll be classed as being offensive and a personal attack... :)

I agree the CUSA stuff is entertaining but certain <censored by meself> here have no concept of the word humour or have ever read any of my posts since I came back from my wee break otherwise they would have realised something by now... :)

I guess that shouldn't surprise me though judging by how dim some of the <censored by meself> are around this place... :)

Oh well need to be off now to scour the rest of the sight and see who else hasn't managed to work it out yet... :)

Franko

Hi,

LOL, LOFL,

Franko, you brought tears to my eyes with that reply, remember what I said, take everything with a grain of salt on this site and of course C-USA is trying something that nobody has tried before, stay tuned for further information on how they do @amiga.org

smerf

[spihunter]

That pretty much sums it up. I'm leaving this site until all this CUSA stuff goes away. Amiga.org has been one of the best sites up until now but this is getting ridiculous....


www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png

:(

[Kesa]

That pretty much sums it up. I'm leaving this site until all this CUSA stuff goes away. Amiga.org has been one of the best sites up until now but this is getting ridiculous....

Then you will be glad to see most of them have been closed :)

[SysAdmin]

That pretty much sums it up. I'm leaving this site until all this CUSA stuff goes away. Amiga.org has been one of the best sites up until now but this is getting ridiculous....


It won't happen, I have already closed three old C-USA threads that were reaged and will continue to close none newsworthy threads. Reporting valid news is fine but CUSA threads will not over run the site epecially since over 50% of the members here have no interest in them.

[Franko]

It won't happen, I have already closed three old C-USA threads that were reaged and will continue to close none newsworthy threads. Reporting valid news is fine but CUSA threads will not over run the site epecially since over 50% of the members here have no interest in them.

Why not close them all down including this one and let this place get back to being the fun and informative site it once was until all this CUSA crap has overtaken in recent times... :)

For the sake of this great site I beg you, cut anything to to with CUSA good or bad before this site goes to the dogs altogether it's obvious even the mention of CUSA is doing more harm than good around here, take a stance man and please end it all now... :)

[TheBilgeRat]

I gotta admit, its a lot more pleasant over at EAB at the moment-they don't even consider CUSA to be anything but a fat turd and censor appropriately.

[coldfish]

AFAIK, what Red showed in his gallery is it.

Hmm, I work in product development, that looks like a painted rapid proto' not injection moulding. You can tell by the horizontal scan lines on the highlighted edge.
I would've filled and finished those before painting if the prototype is to be used as a production sample.

[Darrin]

I gotta admit, its a lot more pleasant over at EAB at the moment-they don't even consider CUSA to be anything but a fat turd and censor appropriately.

Amigaworld.net seem to be treating them with the contempt they deserve too.

[Pyromania]

Does CommodoreUSA have the software developers or R&D staff to create something interesting that's Amiga based? Talented developers are required to release néw innovative products. Maybe the could put R&D into projects that are already underway like CloneA or NatAmi? I don't know for sure but maybe it's a lack of funding thats keeps cool stuff like this from already being available.

[Retro_71]

i was going to give a very long and detailed reply but F-it. No i don,t want Cusa to touch either Natami, CloneA or FPGA Arcade let them find the people and do there own work (IF they can).
Look i am fast hating to visit this site why don't you just ban all CUSA anything they have their own site and forums let all those who want to worship there GO THERE....

[ElPolloDiabl]

Does CommodoreUSA have the software developers or R&D staff to create something interesting that's Amiga based? Talented developers are required to release néw innovative products. Maybe the could put R&D into projects that are already underway like CloneA or NatAmi? I don't know for sure but maybe it's a lack of funding thats keeps cool stuff like this from already being available.
What like Commodore bought Amiga? :madashell:

[takemehomegrandma]

www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png

:(
:confused:

What the image tells us, is that the user "Franko", who is protesting against having Commodore USA threads on Amiga.org, is one of the people responsible for them being there... :p

[dammy]

What the image tells us, is that the user "Franko", who is protesting against having Commodore USA threads on Amiga.org, is one of the people responsible for them being there... :p

It's a classic of starting a fight and then blaming the person your beating on for the fight. Of the current C=USA threads, two were started by AO staff and the rest started by "beat C=USA to a pulp" crowd. Then C=USA was blamed for those threads. :rofl:

[takemehomegrandma]

It's a classic of starting a fight and then blaming the person your beating on for the fight. Of the current C=USA threads, two were started by AO staff and the rest started by "beat C=USA to a pulp" crowd. Then C=USA was blamed for those threads. :rofl:

Yes indeed. You see this, and I see this. It's almost like some kind of campaign with a (not so) hidden agenda. We have seen this campaign strategy many times at AW.net etc. Let's just hope that the site admins don't descend to Mike Bouma/Mikey C level, and start censoring topics they simply don't like as a result of this. Deal with the people instead.

[Tempest]

Yes indeed. You see this, and I see this. It's almost like some kind of campaign with a (not so) hidden agenda. We have seen this campaign strategy many times at AW.net etc. Let's just hope that the site admins don't descend to Mike Bouma/Mikey C level, and start censoring topics they simply don't like as a result of this. Deal with the people instead.

Looks like its alleady started, the admins claim that 50% is against CUSA: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=614238&postcount=164 and removed CUSA threads. They didn't even bother to wait for the final results off the poll.

They conveniently forgot one thing, only 20% of the voters voted 'I hate CommodoreUSA News Items and don't want them on Amiga.org'.

[amoskodare]

Who would you choose, the PC-chick or the Amiga-chick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Badbt9lt1OA)? :D :D

[jorkany]

Who would you choose, the PC-chick or the Amiga-chick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Badbt9lt1OA)? :D :D

I guess copying a complete video from a product unrelated to OS4 and tacking an OS4 badge on at the end is considered "creative" in some circles. Why don't you make your own video?

[lsmart]

I guess copying a complete video from a product unrelated to OS4 and tacking an OS4 badge on at the end is considered "creative" in some circles. Why don't you make your own video?

Unfortunately most of the Amiga related Youtube-videos are extremely lame. The only exception is Eric W. Schwartzs stuff. Most of the guys don´t even know how to operate a camera. Making a parody of a parody of a mediocre Apple commercial is just horrible. But re-running the silly Commodore ADs from the 80s doesn´t help either.

[amoskodare]

Who would you choose, the PC-chick or the Amiga-chick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Badbt9lt1OA)? :D :D

I guess copying a complete video from a product unrelated to OS4 and tacking an OS4 badge on at the end is considered "creative" in some circles.
Just as creative as putting Amiga stickers on PCs?

[murple]

www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png

:(

I think I kinda love Cammy now. And yeah, it's cut back on my visitis to amiga.org since every time I hit the home page, I see 2 or 3 CommobogusUSA threads on the recent posts. MAKE IT STOP!!

[Tempest]

Just as creative as putting Amiga stickers on PCs?

Or putting boing ball stickers on cheap mice and keyboards?

[wawrzon]

Just as creative as putting Amiga stickers on PCs?

well, yes.. sooooo lame.

[amigadave]

www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_CommodoreUSAAmigaOrg.png)

:(

Notice who is responsible for starting most of those CUSA threads in that picture.

Although he has been entertaining to some people and I understand (but don't agree with) his devotion to ONLY Classic Amiga computers, he has had THE most disruptive and damaging effect on this site than any other one person or event since I started lurking here many years ago.

Preventing all news regarding CUSA will not fix A.org's current problem(s).

[Franko]

Notice who is responsible for starting most of those CUSA threads in that picture.

Although he has been entertaining to some people and I understand (but don't agree with) his devotion to ONLY Classic Amiga computers, he has had THE most disruptive and damaging effect on this site than any other one person or event since I started lurking here many years ago.

Preventing all news regarding CUSA will not fix A.org's current problem(s).

Hmm... wonder who HE is... :roflmao:

[coldfish]

"damaging" might be over dramatizing it a bit.

The ants nest needs a shake up every once in a while. "He" may actually be doing Barry a service (if Barry's smart enough to read between the lines) by helping to gauge the market's interest/resistance to his project(s).

signed: FoFL*


* friends of Franko league :P

[smerf]

Who would you choose, the PC-chick or the Amiga-chick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Badbt9lt1OA)? :D :D

Hi,

I sort of like the PC chick, the Amiga Chick sort of acts trashy

smerf

[Franko]

Hi Smerf.... :)


AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH..... :(

Why did you go and dredge this thread up again... :(

I was just beginning to forget about "they who shall remain nameless"... :(

Now you've gone and reminded me and I can feel a rant coming on... :furious:

Cheers

Franko

[smerf]

Hi Smerf.... :)


AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH..... :(

Why did you go and dredge this thread up again... :(

I was just beginning to forget about "they who shall remain nameless"... :(

Now you've gone and reminded me and I can feel a rant coming on... :furious:

Cheers

Franko


Hi,

Chik a boom, Chik a boom, don't you just love it.

smerf

[koaftder]

Hi,

Chik a boom, Chik a boom, don't you just love it.

smerf

Hell yea he does.

[dammy]

Hi Smerf.... :)


AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH..... :(

Why did you go and dredge this thread up again... :(

I was just beginning to forget about "they who shall remain nameless"... :(

Now you've gone and reminded me and I can feel a rant coming on... :furious:

Perhaps you should save up your strength a bit. It's almost April and I have a feeling the remaining portion of this year is going to be a long one for you.

[Iggy]

Perhaps you should save up your strength a bit. It's almost April and I have a feeling the remaining portion of this year is going to be a long one for you.

Hell, this year's going to get interesting. The X1000 will be available (and will probably quickly sell out), CUSA should have their C64 (if nothing else), Freescale and Applied Micro introduce new PPC lines, and we'll no doubt see some advances in MorphOS and AROS.

We might even see the long awaited Natami.

It's a good year for Amiga fans.