CUSAs Fan Page For Amiga & C64

[Franko]

Well after reading this reckon I was right that some folk out there believe that CUSAs Amiga & C64 products are going to be the "Real Thing" and that Commodore is back, judge for yourself... :)

CUSAs Fan Page... (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx)

[motrucker]

OMG!
For once I really don't know what to say....

[commodorejohn]

Been waiting for years for the Amiga to return, I look forward to ditching the PC.
Best of the bunch. Someone should explain it to him - maybe let him know that Santa isn't real while they're at it.

[spihunter]

Hate to put on my tin foil hat but, that all looks made up.

[jorkany]

Hate to put on my tin foil hat but, that all looks made up.

I think it looks made up too. But there's hundreds of them! Somebody must have had a slow weekend.

[AmigaNG]

"Here are just some of the comments we have received through our registration form."

Translation

"Here are just the good/postive/made up comments we have received from chumps via our registration form"

too mean?

[Homer]

Did you take a look at the specifications for the "Classic" Amiga's ? (About/Classic Models). I never knew my A1200 only had 64kb RAM :hammer: Luckily the A600 had 1Mb so that must be a better machine :roflmao:

It all begins to make sense now :afro:

[redrumloa]

Just when you think the situation could not get any more bizarre...

[Franko]

Here are some very confused (alleged) Fans quotes... (I still can't stop laughing... :roflmao: )

Poor Sod... :)
Israel - Wow, I'm really glad to see that Commodore alive and kicking. Goodluck with everything! Rotem

Scary... :)
USA - Interested in Amiga. I owned an Amiga 1000 & 2000 in an earlier life.

Not Got A Clue... :)
USA - WELCOME BACK!!!

What Return... :)
USA - Hi. I'm a long time AMIGA fan, & have heard about the possible return of your company to the AMIGA brand. I will be looking to buy the X1000, & will also be waiting for your return as well. Thank's for your time. Bob.A.

Wonder what part of Eegland this ones from... :)
Eegland - I owe one of the biggest range of Commodores/Amigas computers in the UK, I am looking very forward to oweing a new Commodores/Amigas home computer

This Guys Seeing Things (A500 ???)... :)
Australia - I'm interested in the A500 lookalike PC. Please let me know when this is available and how much it will cost to freight to Australia.

Likes Strange Boxes, Made A Career Out Of It... :)
Greece - Back in 1985 when i was nine years old my father bring us for christmas present a very strange box.The box called Commodore 64 and it was my first introduction to computers. 25 years later i work as a programmer in the IT department of a big company and thats because of this box. Thank you Commodore

Ahh Yes, Mr Tramiels Shiny New Factory... :)
Italy - My life was Commodore yesterday and continues to be Commodore today. I would like to have official news on the release of the new Commodore Phoenix, the its trading price, and know that will guarantee the same good work and fun of the historic Commodore 64, I would like to know if the new factory is the real heir Jack Tramiel's Commodore.

I Wonder Who Made The Vic20... Atari Perhaps... :)
Canada - Ah memories, started on the vic 20 and moved up to the commodore. Good to see it back.

Another Delusional Fan... :)
USA - Glad to see you guys are back! I had a 128!

Awe... This One Likes Dogs... Sweet... :)
Sweden - I am very fond of dogs and my first computer was a Commodore PC. I am using Ubuntu and this new model will have all what I would need. Please, send me information when i can purchase one.

This Guys Not Sure Where He Lives... But Will Do Anything For A Job... :)
USA/UK - Hello, Please keep me up to date with any releases and please let me know if there are any jobs at commodore USA. I am a software developer but would gladly clean cars to be part of Commodore:) (It's the memories of my childhood you see:) Many thanks, (name removed)

That's gotta be one of the funniest sites I've ever seen... :roflmao:

[spihunter]

That's kind of what gives it away. If they had just posted 5 or 10 fake ones it might have been more believable!.

These guys seem to have time do to everything except actually ship a product.



I think it looks made up too. But there's hundreds of them! Somebody must have had a slow weekend.

[TheGoose]

Made up.:hammer:

"Moon - Splendid. Soooon we can launch our attack on your planet once we obtain the C=64!
MUHAHAHAHA"

[haywirepc]

The funny thing is if I had the parts I could build one computer an hour, sometimes more... I used to build systems for a company that sold huge volumes of clones, you get fast quick.

I could also do an ubuntu respin with amiga theme with very little time.

In short, I could start shipping their planned products faster than they can with thier 30 million dollar budget and hey lets not forget, thats just the advertising budget! They must have 100 million budget for factory, warehouse, technicans, shippers and all that stuff.

If you have the parts takes an hour to build a pc clone, so some genius from CUSA should come on here and explain why they aren't shipping anything but hype.

Whats it been ? A year of announcements about new computers, stealing apples websites, threatening to sue tech news reporters, Leo Nerdo having 27 fake accounts here and elsewhere... All hype and "web presence" and so far no computers.

Ship products or stop the bull****.

VAPOR

Steven

[Kesa]

Nope i actually think they are real. One common thing about humans is that they are idiots. Yes people really are this dumb!

I'm thinking they are massively out of touch with the goings on in Amigaland in that they wouldn't know an Amiga if one hit them over the head...

[runequester]

I wouldn't be surprised if some/most were real. If you hadn't followed any of this stuff for years, and someone pops up with the Commodore brand name, offering to sell new "amiga" computers, you'd be excited too.

[spihunter]

I don't think so. The only other people that would care about the Commodore name are other geeks & gamers.

If you've ever read any article that mentions Commodore/Amiga on Slashdot or any other geek site most of the comments are very negative.

Most computer history articles by-pass Commodore/Amiga completely.





I wouldn't be surprised if some/most were real. If you hadn't followed any of this stuff for years, and someone pops up with the Commodore brand name, offering to sell new "amiga" computers, you'd be excited too.

[Tension]

Ha! That **** is clearly made up. Wat a load a bollocks

[commodorejohn]

Made up or not, it well and truly puts the lie to BigBenAussie's claim that they're not trying to fool people into thinking it's something other than a PC in a custom case. If these are fake then they're just straight-up trying to deceive people - if not, they're doing that "well I never technically said, but let me quote a bunch of testimonials from know-nothing letter-writers" thing that "alternative medicine" snake-oil salesmen do to get around false advertising regulations...

[Tension]

C= USA are ****s.

[runequester]

Made up or not, it well and truly puts the lie to BigBenAussie's claim that they're not trying to fool people into thinking it's something other than a PC in a custom case. If these are fake then they're just straight-up trying to deceive people - if not, they're doing that "well I never technically said, but let me quote a bunch of testimonials from know-nothing letter-writers" thing that "alternative medicine" snake-oil salesmen do to get around false advertising regulations...

This is a very good point.

[runequester]

I don't think so. The only other people that would care about the Commodore name are other geeks & gamers.

If you've ever read any article that mentions Commodore/Amiga on Slashdot or any other geek site most of the comments are very negative.

Most computer history articles by-pass Commodore/Amiga completely.

I was thinking specifically for people who did own a Commodore / Amiga back in the day, but havent kept up, rather than the computing world at large.

I guess they were just jealous, we had colour screens ;)

[adz]

/me loads AK-47...


TBH, I really don't know why so many people are getting so worked up over this CUSA business...The gear looks the goods, they appear to be offering a modern Amigaish OS to complement the gear, please don't tell me it's the whole "Oh noes it teh x86!" crap again.

[tone007]

they appear to be offering a modern Amigaish OS

Nah, they're talking about possibly offering an "Amigaish OS" which is actually just Linux on hardware that anyone can buy for less somewhere else, except for the C64 replica system.

[Manu]

/me loads AK-47...


TBH, I really don't know why so many people are getting so worked up over this CUSA business...The gear looks the goods, they appear to be offering a modern Amigaish OS to complement the gear, please don't tell me it's the whole "Oh noes it teh x86!" crap again.

I think it's the people that haven't realized that "Amiga" is NEVER going do that one BIG comeback that are most upset. They see it like it somehow takes away sales from their preferable system. I only judge what I can see. And what I see now is that it's quite possible CUSA will start to sell C64X after maybe 6 months (guessing). We have only seen the proto but it sounds like it can be done.

Their Amiga line computers ? That's a whole different story and I see no point speculating it to death. There's nothing to grasp at yet. It's way too early, and I think the C64x has a say in it too. If they can sell well with C64 then it's more money to invest in their Amiga line.

[Franko]

/me loads AK-47...


TBH, I really don't know why so many people are getting so worked up over this CUSA business...The gear looks the goods, they appear to be offering a modern Amigaish OS to complement the gear, please don't tell me it's the whole "Oh noes it teh x86!" crap again.

Honestly I couldn't care less what type of processor CUSA are using in their PCs, the thing that gets right on my t!ts about this company as I've said from the start is they are using the Commodore, C64, Amiga & Workbench brand names/trade marks to con unsuspecting folk into thinking these are something to do with the original Commodore company and the original products.

All those numpties who claimed here and elsewhere (FaceBook) that no one who was going to buy these things and not know that these weren't genuine Amiga or C64 hardware, well they were very wrong I'm afraid as the tubes at CUSA have just proven with there so called Fan Page & fan responses.

If CUSA had been honest & upfront from the start about the fact they were just selling PCs running emulators and had given the products names other that Amiga or C64 then none of this crap would most likely ever have happened.

I've said it before, I don't wish any harm to Mr Altman and his business venture, I just wish he'd stop trying to con the unsuspecting into buying something that has sod all to do with the genuine Amiga or C64 and from the responses and comments by folk on CUSAs site and FaceBook, there are going to be a hell of a lot of unsuspecting folk who aren't up to date with the Amiga or C64 who are going to be sorely disappointed... :)

[coldfish]

I was prepared to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, but they're not helping with these lame arse tactics.

[commodorejohn]

I think it's the people that haven't realized that "Amiga" is NEVER going do that one BIG comeback that are most upset. They see it like it somehow takes away sales from their preferable system.
Speaking for myself, I've never held onto the "we need a BIG comeback" idea - I'd be happy with something small that just gives us a new Amiga-compatible system to play with, and the hell with taking back the industry that we never actually "had" in the first place.

What irks me about C-USA isn't so much that they're going the x86 + Linux route - it's that they're putting the absolute minimum possible effort into this (generic Chinese board plus generic cases, plus Linux with an Amiga-like X theme) yet they still want this to be accepted as the "new Amiga" when they've put precisely zero work into making it at all Amiga-like besides picking a vaguely 1000-reminiscent case from a vendor and re-skinning Linux (assuming they even did that and didn't just grab some existing skin.)

If someone grabbed an image off of Google Image Search and printed it out on a cheap inkjet, then demanded that it be hung in an art gallery, you wouldn't play along - you'd kick their ass to the curb. Making it worse is stuff like this, where it's clear they're either trying to mislead people into thinking that this has anything to do with the Amiga or lying outright. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt in this, but by this point it's pretty obvious that they're hucksters, pure and simple.

[tone007]

(assuming they even did that and didn't just grab some existing skin.)

Ubuntu does have an easy to get (as in hit the "get more themes" option or something) Amiga theme!

[Franko]

I find it quite amazing how Altman & Co can't see the damage he's doing to his own company with his crazy tactics, this geezer must be the worst businessman since Gerald Ratner back at the start of the 90's... :)

Ratners lost £500 million because the owner was as stupid as Altman, I wonder how much Altman stands to lose if he carries on like this... :)

[dammy]

Nah, they're talking about possibly offering an "Amigaish OS" which is actually just Linux on hardware that anyone can buy for less somewhere else, except for the C64 replica system.

No, WB5 is going to be Linux for the C64x. C=USA Amigas will have a follow on OS.

[tone007]

No, WB5 is going to be Linux for the C64x. C=USA Amigas will have a follow on OS.

Oh, you mean they're talking about an Amigaish OS... Brings up the "yeah right, these guys are gonna make their own OS" thing again.

[dammy]

I find it quite amazing how Altman & Co can't see the damage he's doing to his own company with his crazy tactics, this geezer must be the worst businessman since Gerald Ratner back at the start of the 90's... :)

Ratners lost £500 million because the owner was as stupid as Altman, I wonder how much Altman stands to lose if he carries on like this... :)

:rofl: I predict you will go full "Thierry" on the web boards once the C64x/Vic launch starts. Your obsession with C=USA is clearly showing now and will most likely to worsen by launch.

[Franko]

:rofl: I predict you will go full "Thierry" on the web boards once the C64x/Vic launch starts. Your obsession with C=USA is clearly showing now and will most likely to worsen by launch.

What's a "Thierry" ???

[jorkany]

What's a "Thierry" ???

You don't want to know.
Trust me on this.

[Amiga_Nut]

lol what a prize a-hole that Barry is.

As for getting upset....nothing to do with expecting/not expecting a return of 'Amiga' as an all conquering machine (which will never happen without serious money AND cunning) it is more to do with the fact that....

PC + LINUX + UAE <> New Amiga or new Amiga OS :)

[Amiga_Nut]

You don't want to know.
Trust me on this.

Yeah he does :)

[Franko]

Yeah he does :)

Damn right I do... what the fecks a "Thierry"... :confused:

[Franko]

@ Dammy

Ok just googled "Thiery"... now what the hecks a French Football player ever done to CUSA ???

Did CUSA sell him a C64 and he was disappointed with it... :)

Or is this Football player "obsessed" as you call it with CUSA too and been banned from their FaceBook page too... ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Henry

[jorkany]

Damn right I do... what the fecks a "Thierry"... :confused:

Just remember, that which has been seen cannot be unseen!

Thierry aka Atheist aka Foody is a Canadian netk00k with an oral fixation on the Amiga and, err - other things I won't go into here. Unfortunately he seems to have nested on moobunny of late. Here's a typical posting:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/183929.shtml

Enjoy (if that's the right word)

[Tension]

Just remember, that which has been seen cannot be unseen!

Thierry aka Atheist aka Foody is a Canadian netk00k with an oral fixation on the Amiga and, err - other things I won't go into here. Unfortunately he seems to have nested on moobunny of late. Here's a typical posting:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/183929.shtml

Enjoy (if that's the right word)

Actually that is nothing.
There's some seriously sick people on Moobunny

[Franko]

Gawd... me eyes are burning, who on earth designed that moobunny site... :(

As for it's contents... UH !!!

Well if that's what/who "Thierry" is what the heck is Dammy going on about ???

I make much less sense than this "Thierry AKA Atheist AKA Foody" does... :)

Anyone care to buy an Onion... One careful owner... Cheap at half the price... :)

(one last thought on this subject... Salmon Live In Tree & Eat Pencils... :))

[dammy]

lol what a prize a-hole that Barry is.

If you don't like Barry now, your really going to be hating him in the future.

As for getting upset....nothing to do with expecting/not expecting a return of 'Amiga' as an all conquering machine (which will never happen without serious money AND cunning) it is more to do with the fact that....

PC + LINUX + UAE <> New Amiga or new Amiga OS :)

That's more WB5 which is the for the C64x/Vic series. C=USA Amigas will have a follow on OS and not WB5.

[Franko]

That's more WB5 which is the for the C64x/Vic series. C=USA Amigas will have a follow on OS and not WB5.

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Another brilliant bit of thinking by CUSA... :lol:

Barry - let's confuse our already confused fans even further...

Leo - How O mighty one...

Barry - Lets tell them that the C64/Vic series run Workbench 5...

Leo - Oooh that sounds good your highness...

Barry - and then just when they think they're totally confused we shall release the Amiga but without Workbench...

Leo - but what shall we call our Amiga OS then o saintly one..

Barry - well, for the first time in my life I'm going to actually be honest about something... we shall call it OS CRAPYRIPOFF 6...

Leo - I cthant stheek properly wight noow, cos my dongue is sthuck so far up you bum and Dammy's waiting for a go but it thounds good to me o lord & master...

Fur Gawd Sake Dammy... Geeza brek... :roflmao:

[tone007]

A Thierry is like a dammy only more noteworthy.

[Duce]

Delusional thinking there will ever be a scratch built OS for any of these rigs. Name the last "scratchbuilt" OS that is being used today in any real numbers?

Buy what you want, knock yourselves out, but if you think you'll be getting anything more than a ****ty chinese retro case with overpriced, subpar mainstream hardware and an Amiga themed Linux distro, you are absolutely insane. Maybe I'll buy up a boatload of those little all in ones they were overcharging for and slap some $600 decals on them. Or maybe there's a market in installing Mini-ITX boards in old Miggy or Commodore cases and booting directly to an emulator? lol

For the diehard believers in this CUSA Holy Grail, I hope you're being well supplied with lube, cause it's gonna get rough :lol: Thing that kills me is how anyone with any sense sees this company as being remotely credible after all their antics. You might as well make Bozo the Clown your spokesman as that one guy on here.

If you want to buy a new PC that boots directly into AmigaOS, you can do it for $250 and it will be the most reliable Amiga you ever owned.

Jesus Christ, I think I'm turning into Franko, lol. Just givin' ya the gears, Franko.

[commodorejohn]

Delusional thinking there will ever be a scratch built OS for any of these rigs. Name the last "scratchbuilt" OS that is being used today in any real numbers?
BeOS-turned-Haiku. Not hugely popular, but still.

Not that that has anything to do with these shysters, though.

[mongo]

That's more WB5 which is the for the C64x/Vic series. C=USA Amigas will have a follow on OS and not WB5.


So, according to you, AMIGA Workbench 5.0 is not for the CUSA Amiga?

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

[dammy]

Fur Gawd Sake Dammy... Geeza brek... :roflmao:

:rofl: I see I am going to be highly entertained for the next couple of months. Well, I guess you really have nothing better to do, so continue on! I could use the entertainment.

[dammy]

So, according to you, AMIGA Workbench 5.0 is not for the CUSA Amiga?

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

Correct and I expect the above to be updated as the time nears.

[tone007]

Correct and I expect the above to be updated as the time nears.

Or as they realized they dun goofed again.

[Franko]

:rofl: I see I am going to be highly entertained for the next couple of months. Well, I guess you really have nothing better to do, so continue on! I could use the entertainment.

Glad you can see the funny side of all this... :)

I was thinking for a wee while there that the net was a boring place to be, but this CUSA stuffs highly amusing, I've peed me drawers twice in the past few day reading CUSAs Fan Page... :)

Keep the fodder coming... I think I'll write a book about this someday... ;)

[tone007]

I've peed me drawers twice in the past few day reading CUSAs Fan Page... :)

Double up next time you plan to enjoy their shenanigans for the sake of your upholstery.

[dammy]

Or as they realized they dun goofed again.

No, that was their plan after they dropped the idea of using AROS.

[persia]

Perhaps C=USA could go into the adult nappies business?

Glad you can see the funny side of all this... :)

I was thinking for a wee while there that the net was a boring place to be, but this CUSA stuffs highly amusing, I've peed me drawers twice in the past few day reading CUSAs Fan Page... :)

Keep the fodder coming... I think I'll write a book about this someday... ;)

[AmigaHeretic]

So, according to you, AMIGA Workbench 5.0 is not for the CUSA Amiga?

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

From the website:

"Feeling nostalgic? Workbench 5.0 will also be 100% Commodore compatible, able to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation.
No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."



Are they telling us to pirate software?


:roflmao:

[runequester]

From the website:

"Feeling nostalgic? Workbench 5.0 will also be 100% Commodore compatible, able to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation.
No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."



Are they telling us to pirate software?


:roflmao:

Thats how you can tell they are a professional company.

[Franko]

Are they telling us to pirate software?


:roflmao:

I pointed that out on my website over Christmas and asked them how they are going to feel when I placed their WB5 on my site for everyone to download for free... ;)

Surprisingly I never got an answer... :roflmao:

[Digiman]

From the website:

"Feeling nostalgic? Workbench 5.0 will also be 100% Commodore compatible, able to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation.
No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."



Are they telling us to pirate software?


:roflmao:

Actually, will Amiga Inc be supplying them with legal Kickstart roms for UAE?

[TheBilgeRat]

From the website:

"Feeling nostalgic? Workbench 5.0 will also be 100% Commodore compatible, able to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation.
No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."



Are they telling us to pirate software?


:roflmao:


Of course not!

They mean for you to go and buy "Amiga Forever", which comes on a DVD :lol:

[dammy]

Actually, will Amiga Inc be supplying them with legal Kickstart roms for UAE?

I don't think C=USA will need them by the time they are ready to release their Amiga series. Maybe wrong though.

[runequester]

I don't think C=USA will need them by the time they are ready to release their Amiga series. Maybe wrong though.

well, copyrights expire after what? 80 years?

So yeah, once they ship, the kickroms will be freely available for everyone :D

[commodorejohn]

I don't think C=USA will need them by the time they are ready to release their Amiga series. Maybe wrong though.
They going to write their own version, or just compile the Linux kernel for 68k and put a "Kickstart" sticker on it?

[dammy]

I pointed that out on my website over Christmas and asked them how they are going to feel when I placed their WB5 on my site for everyone to download for free... ;)

Surprisingly I never got an answer... :roflmao:

Wouldn't that depend on if there is closed source material that may (or may not) come with the WB5 disk? C=USA has a responsibility of complying with certain licenses as far as providing source code to those who possess WB5. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a ftp server set up for source code used in WB5 in order to comply with the individual license agreement(s).

[dammy]

They going to write their own version, or just compile the Linux kernel for 68k and put a "Kickstart" sticker on it?

There is a far better option in development, IMO.

[Digiman]

I don't think C=USA will need them by the time they are ready to release their Amiga series. Maybe wrong though.

Well Amiga Inc can let them distribute the Kickstart roms which they need for 16 & 32 bit software, but the C64 roms are another matter :)

[adz]

I've said it before, I don't wish any harm to Mr Altman and his business venture, I just wish he'd stop trying to con the unsuspecting into buying something that has sod all to do with the genuine Amiga or C64 and from the responses and comments by folk on CUSAs site and FaceBook, there are going to be a hell of a lot of unsuspecting folk who aren't up to date with the Amiga or C64 who are going to be sorely disappointed... :)

And who exactly are the "unsuspecting"? Bar the members of sites like this, who have a clear idea of what CUSA is all about, I doubt many people would actually care, assuming they even know what a Commodore, Amiga or C64 is. Besides which, what exactly is a genuine Amiga or C64? IMHO, they were computers of a previous generation that pretty much died when Commodore bit the dust, who's to say that these machines aren't the genuine next generation?

[runequester]

And who exactly are the "unsuspecting"? Bar the members of sites like this, who have a clear idea of what CUSA is all about, I doubt many people would actually care, assuming they even know what a Commodore, Amiga or C64 is. Besides which, what exactly is a genuine Amiga or C64? IMHO, they were computers of a previous generation that pretty much died when Commodore bit the dust, who's to say that these machines aren't the genuine next generation?

well, they'd have to exist to be a new generation.

[haywirepc]

:roflmao:well, they'd have to exist to be a new generation.

[adz]

Nah, they're talking about possibly offering an "Amigaish OS" which is actually just Linux on hardware that anyone can buy for less somewhere else, except for the C64 replica system.

Excuse my ignorance here, but I haven't actually seen any form of pricing from CUSA yet nor have they officially released anything, so unless you care to enlighten the rest of us I fail to see how you can assume you can buy the same elsewhere for less.

What I see is a company trying to revive the Commodore and Amiga name by doing something that is actually achievable, i.e using a current linux kernal and common of the shelf hardware with what appears to be integrated and seemless emulation, albeit software based. The last lot made a huge mess of it because they chose a path that was fraught with danger from the get go. You guys wanted to see the Commodore and Amiga name in the limelight again, well this is the best chance you're going to get.

[adz]

well, they'd have to exist to be a new generation.

And who's to say they won't?

Edit...10 years on and there are people still waiting for AmigaONE's :roflmao:

[Franko]

And who exactly are the "unsuspecting"? Bar the members of sites like this, who have a clear idea of what CUSA is all about, I doubt many people would actually care, assuming they even know what a Commodore, Amiga or C64 is. Besides which, what exactly is a genuine Amiga or C64? IMHO, they were computers of a previous generation that pretty much died when Commodore bit the dust, who's to say that these machines aren't the genuine next generation?

If you'd read the CUSA "Fan Page" you would know who the "unsuspecting" are, or even FaceBook for that matter...

As for genuine Amiga or C64 well that's quite simple isn't it, they were produced & sold by CBM and later by Amiga Technologies...

As for genuine next generation, tell you what I'll change my name by deed poll to L.S. Lowry and paint a couple of "next generation" genuine Lowry paintings and flog them to you for a few hundered thousand grand... :)

[Boudicca]

to L.S. Lowry and paint a couple of "next generation" genuine Lowry paintings and flog them to you for a few hundered thousand grand... :)

Bad example. Try renaming yourself Jesus and write and flog the next gospel. Modify the last page to say "any of you mother's, doubt this "Gospel" version, the one true version, will be burn't at the stake for heresy." amen!

[commodorejohn]

You guys wanted to see the Commodore and Amiga name in the limelight again, well this is the best chance you're going to get.
I don't want to see the name in the limelight, I want to see the platform revived, or at least a new platform that bears any kind of fundamental resemblance to the original. This? This is just a cheap cash-in attempt.

[adz]

If you'd read the CUSA "Fan Page" you would know who the "unsuspecting" are, or even FaceBook for that matter...

I've looked and see nothing untoward, IMO anyway...

As for genuine Amiga or C64 well that's quite simple isn't it, they were produced & sold by CBM and later by Amiga Technologies...

Okay, so CBM developed the C64 and the Amiga right? CBM bites the dust and Escom comes along to pick up the pieces, they start building A1200's and A4000's and continue to develop KS and WB. Escom bites the dust and along comes Gateway to pick up the pieces...lather rinse repeat. So what you're saying is, if CUSA were to start shipping A1200's and A4000's again, everything would be sweet?

As for genuine next generation, tell you what I'll change my name by deed poll to L.S. Lowry and paint a couple of "next generation" genuine Lowry paintings and flog them to you for a few hundered thousand grand... :)

Were talking about a pile of chips and plastic assembled to make a computer, you cannot compare this to art, come on dude I expect more from you.

[adz]

I don't want to see the name in the limelight, I want to see the platform revived, or at least a new platform that bears any kind of fundamental resemblance to the original. This? This is just a cheap cash-in attempt.

Erm, so how does one define the platform then? The platform died long ago, it's time to redefine the platform don't you think?

[commodorejohn]

Erm, so how does one define the platform then? The platform died long ago, it's time to redefine the platform don't you think?
Time to redefine? Maybe so. Time to throw out every single thing that made the platform at all unique or interesting just for the sake of having it be up-to-date? Not a chance. If there's truly nothing from the original Amiga platform that's worth salvaging besides the GUI skin, it's better to just let it die a peaceful death and move on.

Were talking about a pile of chips and plastic assembled to make a computer, you cannot compare this to art, come on dude I expect more from you.
The hell you can't! Computer design is the most underappreciated art of the past forty years, and the Amiga is a shining example of the kind of elegance that a truly good designer can produce.

[murple]

How about anybody who starts a thread about this "Commodore" company gets banned from amiga.org for one month?

[Franko]

I've looked and see nothing untoward, IMO anyway...

Should've gone to SpecSavers... :)

Okay, so CBM developed the C64 and the Amiga right? CBM bites the dust and Escom comes along to pick up the pieces, they start building A1200's and A4000's and continue to develop KS and WB. Escom bites the dust and along comes Gateway to pick up the pieces...lather rinse repeat. So what you're saying is, if CUSA were to start shipping A1200's and A4000's again, everything would be sweet?

If they were genuine Amigas with the custom chipsets etc... I'd be their biggest fan... :)

Were talking about a pile of chips and plastic assembled to make a computer, you cannot compare this to art, come on dude I expect more from you.

Yes I can... (and I just did) the original Amigas in both hardware & software were/are true works of art in my humble opinion... :)

Anyway my opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, I'm simply keeping myself amused with all of this, after all this broadband subscription is costing me £30 for a whole year and I intend on getting me money's worth... ;)

[Franko]

How about anybody who starts a thread about this "Commodore" company gets banned from amiga.org for one month?

That means Red will have to ban himself when he writes his report later this week... :)

[redrumloa]

How about anybody who starts a thread about this "Commodore" company gets banned from amiga.org for one month?

Why? Because you aren't interested? Amiga.org's mission has always been to provide a platform for ALL things Amiga, Commodore USA fits that description. The site owner could change direction, but that would be up to him and only him.

[KThunder]

How about anybody who starts a thread about this "Commodore" company gets banned from amiga.org for one month?

How about banning people who are attacking legitimate legal companies who are trying to develop products of interest to people in our community.

Not serious with that but lets let Red do his report, we all trust him and we will see what this is really all about. From what we can tell CUSA legally has the license to produce these products. If they are vapor let them die, but don't cause it.

I put Natami right up there with CUSA as far as potential but I don't slag off on them constantly.

[Franko]

How about banning people who are attacking legitimate legal companies who are trying to develop products of interest to people in our community.

Anyone in particular in mind... ;)

[KThunder]

Not at all, I just think we should give them a real chance to prove themselves. I came to that conclusion while looking at the Natami website. I had written Natami off as vapor but I hadn't really given them a chance.

The Natami team has made some missteps just like CUSA has, maybe larger maybe smaller, but all organizations do that. From what I understand the guy behind CUSA has business experience, but not computer related experience. He is going to make some mistakes.

[runequester]

You know, the funny thing is, the product they are advertising (wedged shaped PC with an amiga-flavour linux distro is one I'd be all over, provided:

A: It was actually available
B: The company has shown itself trustworthy
C: The price is reasonable.

[KThunder]

You know, the funny thing is, the product they are advertising (wedged shaped PC with an amiga-flavour linux distro is one I'd be all over, provided:

A: It was actually available
B: The company has shown itself trustworthy
C: The price is reasonable.

It is actually available, just not from CUSA yet. CUSA hasn't really had time to show itself trustworthy, many new companies make mistakes. We will see what Red finds.

And the price will almost always be higher than a vanilla pc from walmart since it is a niche device.

[runequester]

It is actually available, just not from CUSA yet. CUSA hasn't really had time to show itself trustworthy, many new companies make mistakes. We will see what Red finds.

And the price will almost always be higher than a vanilla pc from walmart since it is a niche device.

yeah, Red I trust, so I'll see what he thinks. If/Once they ship stuff, people buy it and get their PCs as advertised, I'll determine.

I am aware the price will be higher. The question is whether it'll be unreasonably higher or not. We'll see.

[KThunder]

Depends on what you consider unreasonable. Sam440 et al. are totally unreasonable to me, but it is cool that they are being sold.

It seems everybody has to prove themselves, Morphos, Aros, UAE, CUSA etc. They have to not only produce the product they want, but wiggle into our little cult here.

[coldfish]

Deliberate omission of critical information, slipshod use of branding and fluffed fan comments make CUSA motives and incompetence increasingly clear.

Unfortunately, they've employed pretty weak marketing tactics that do no more than alienate much of their potential user base.

For the small number of nostalgics out there willing to pay the price of admission there will be a certain level of disappointment once they realise the platform they've purchased is nothing more than a crudely branded, piecemeal emulation box running a freely available open-source OS.

Another gripping chapter in the big book of Amiga. ;)

[J-Golden]

USA - I so happy to see someone taking the Amiga seriously by making a machine that is Mil-spec! I have several versions I made myself and would LOVE to sell them to you. I am trustworthy, just ask all my friends on-line! D.M.


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... Ok, So I made that one up. But soooooo funny!:laughing:

[Retro_71]

I don't really care anymore what CUSA does even if they produce something it will not be what I want, what i want is NATAMI and fpgaarcade with those i will be very happy.

I don't need anymore PC's i have 4 quad's at home (wife, 2 boys and mine). Don't want a Linux although i have a dozen or so machines here at work i can turn into them.

When i heard CUSA was revived so to speak i was exited (i even booked marked their page), but as i read and as things develop i lost interest in what they had to offer. All total unremarkable and quite boring....

So those who say this is a revival, revival from what? my revival happened in 2001 when i got a few Amiga's and some have never left at all hardly a revival its not like CUSA is going to build great PC and replace Dell or HP or even custom PC's that the guy down the road can build all that they hope for is making some quick bucks on cheap Crap selling at high prices because it has C64 or Amiga on... (which brings up a point, has anyone ever though if they do sell these to people and the people find out it all emulation and cheap PC's what these guys will think and tell others? There goes the Amiga and C64 name down the drain, what left of them...)

[adz]

Time to redefine? Maybe so. Time to throw out every single thing that made the platform at all unique or interesting just for the sake of having it be up-to-date? Not a chance. If there's truly nothing from the original Amiga platform that's worth salvaging besides the GUI skin, it's better to just let it die a peaceful death and move on.

Unique isn't always good, especially in this day and age and especially in the field of computing, just look at Apple.


The hell you can't! Computer design is the most underappreciated art of the past forty years, and the Amiga is a shining example of the kind of elegance that a truly good designer can produce.

Erm, yes the hardware, and I mean the nuts and bolts under the hood, was something special in it's day, but then it was surpassed by better hardware courtesy of it's competitiors, simply put, Amiga fell behind the curve. On the outside, that's a different story, bar the A3000, the majority of Amiga models were butt ugly.

[adz]

Should've gone to SpecSavers... :)

Well I do need new contacts :D


If they were genuine Amigas with the custom chipsets etc... I'd be their biggest fan... :)

You and I both know that's not likely to happen.


Yes I can... (and I just did) the original Amigas in both hardware & software were/are true works of art in my humble opinion... :)

Anyway my opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, I'm simply keeping myself amused with all of this, after all this broadband subscription is costing me £30 for a whole year and I intend on getting me money's worth... ;)

You can do whatever the hell you want, I was just expecting a slightly better analogy from you.

£30 ≈ AU$48 My internet connection costs me nearly double that per month :eek:

[Franko]

the majority of Amiga models were butt ugly.

Yeah, but so were most of the users, you should see some of my mates who used to own Amigas (meself included)... :)

[Franko]

You can do whatever the hell you want, I was just expecting a slightly better analogy from you.

£30 ≈ AU$48 My internet connection costs me nearly double that per month :eek:

Sorry, I was fresh out of analogies at that point in time... :)

AU$48 x 2 Per Month... :eek:

Gawd if I was paying that kind of money I'd sign up to every kind of forum possible just to argue over things I know nowt about... Gotta get yer moneys worth you know... :)

[commodorejohn]

Unique isn't always good, especially in this day and age and especially in the field of computing, just look at Apple.
I'm going to have to disagree. Emphatically. Standard x86 PC hardware is as cheap and available as breath mints these days - if there's going to be a new line of computers introduced under an old name, I'd much, much, much rather have it bring something interesting to the table than be just another clone, even if that means it's less powerful. It used to be that every single computer line was its own weird little beast - now everything is mushing together into x86 clones as far as the eye can see. I'll take something different over something powerful any day.

And if I'm wrong, and it's better to just stick with what everybody else is doing because there's nothing from the original Amiga that's worth salvaging, then let it die peacefully and move on.

Erm, yes the hardware, and I mean the nuts and bolts under the hood, was something special in it's day, but then it was surpassed by better hardware courtesy of it's competitiors, simply put, Amiga fell behind the curve. On the outside, that's a different story, bar the A3000, the majority of Amiga models were butt ugly.This kind of comes back to an idea that's been bugging me for some time now (and which I wrote about at length in that "blog" link below my username,) that any "new Amiga" effort should necessarily have to keep up with leading-edge PC hardware. Is it behind the curve? Yes. Does that make it less awesome? No. Is it more interesting than the huge majority of commodity Intel hardware? Absolutely. Bugger keeping up with the Joneses.

I think I'll have to disagree about the physical appearance, but eh, that wasn't my point to begin with.

[_ThEcRoW]

Why is it always the same people saying the same about CUSA?. I know the machines aren't Amigas in the sense of classics, as the sams or x1000 also aren't. Maybe if they deliver a c64 good looking case i would buy one. Anyone who wants a price/performance clone, wont buy a CUSA one, so what's the point in repeating it again again and again?. Honestly, i dont see the point.

[dammy]

Why is it always the same people saying the same about CUSA?. I know the machines aren't Amigas in the sense of classics, as the sams or x1000 also aren't. Maybe if they deliver a c64 good looking case i would buy one. Anyone who wants a price/performance clone, wont buy a CUSA one, so what's the point in repeating it again again and again?. Honestly, i dont see the point.

The main point is the C64x/Vic are not the new Amigas, those will come later on. Wait until the A1000x, A2000x, and A3000x specs are announced plus the details about the follow on OS, then folks can complain. ;) Right now it's the C64/Vic folk's time in the spot light.

[Franko]

Right now it's the C64/Vic folk's time in the spot light.

Being the proud owner of 4 Genuine "Real" Commodore C64s and 2 Genuine "REAL" Commodore VIC 20s, I'm glad you think it's their time to be in the spotlight (thirty years too late in the case of the VIC20, but who's counting)... :)

Though I haven't seen any news lately that the genuine Commodore VIC 20 or C64 were actually doing something to be in the spotlight, perhaps you know something I don't, care to enlighten me... :)

[CSixx]

perfect