CUSA Gibbering Keech On FaceBook

[Franko]

Ok... Ok... I know I said I probably wouldn't be bothering with the forums again or the internet much (been too busy buying tons of old Commodore stuff on ebay to set up my own personal Commodore museum :))

But... CommodoreUSA have really been pi$$ing me off over on FaceBook (and lot's of other folk worldwide too). CUSA have started a FaceBook page where they are now trying to con folks into thinking they are producing genuine C64 & Amiga computers. :madashell:

Trouble is every time anyone comments on their FaceBook page that they don't like the buggers delete or remove it, seems CUSA can't handle any sort of criticism or the truth being told that the machines they are building are nothing more than expensive PCs running a C64 or Amiga emulator.

There are now several hundred people worldwide who CUSA have really peed off on FaceBook by deleting their comments and these folk are now looking for others to join in and post your comments on CUSAs FaceBook page just to keep the nasty buggers busy deleting things they don't like. ;)

So why not join in and tell CUSA what you really think of them on FaceBook and maybe they'll finally get the message that you can't con all of the people all of the time... :)

CUSA FACEBOOK PAGE OF LIES...:madashell: (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Commodore-USA/181491231869072)

Cheers :pint:

Franko

(PS:This internet malarky is really winding me up, I seem to be spending all my time fighting all those nasty big multi nationals and there lies these days... Kinda enjoying it though... :))

[klx300r]

Franko my man I've been on the net since before it was 'the net' and I don't have a Facebook account!

anyhow back to the CUSA people who choose to do business with known sheysters AI....they've totally peed off the community as a whole on every amiga site they visit so it's no surprise that happens on other non-Amiga sites.

Workbench 5...ya right....Linux skin trying to make a mockery of AmigaOS


btw, posted this over at AW too

[mechy]

Franko,
Commodore usa is a joke, its a wanna be hack to put pc motherboards in some cases that are supposed to resemble Commodore products and stick people on emulators.
thier workbench is a joke.
its a shame these ambulance chasers dont just go away.they just leach off the c64/amiga names to make $$$ and are too lame to extend the real products.What amazes me is some people buy this crap.

if your hanging out on facebook,theres part of the problem mate :)

[jorkany]

If there's really so many people that upset about it, why not found an Anti-CUSA Facebook group and give everyone a voice? Just a suggestion as I see many of these kind of pro/con group sets on FB.

[WolfToTheMoon]

@Franko

I pity the fools who run around the internet trolling... if you're not interested in their products, don't buy them(and don't join their forums/facebook page). Simple as that.

As to fooling people into believing they are anything else than a branded PC... The only fooling I see here(and there) is that of people thinking that CUSA is fooling anybody when they are clearly stating on their web page what is it that they are producing.


P.S. Get a Life!

[commodorejohn]

if you're not interested in their products, don't buy them(and don't join their forums/facebook page). Simple as that.
Ah, the rallying cry of the internet fanboy - "you're not allowed to criticize it if you haven't paid money for it!" No. Crappy webcomics are crappy webcomics, pathetic camwhores are pathetic camwhores, and hucksters trying to make money off a respected brand they had nothing to do with establishing are cons, pure and simple.

As to fooling people into believing they are anything else than a branded PC... The only fooling I see here(and there) is that of people thinking that CUSA is fooling anybody when they are clearly stating on their web page what is it that they are producing.
On their website, yes, but note that technical specs of any kind are wholly absent from their FB page - and if what Franko was saying about their squashing of critical discussion is true, that does raise a few eyebrows.

And now, back to my studious refusal to have anything to do with Facebook or their personal-data trafficking and commoditization of human interaction...

[A4000_Mad]

been too busy buying tons of old Commodore stuff on ebay to set up my own personal Commodore museum :)

Welcome back Franko :)

Regarding your topic.. Pfffft! I couldn't care less :lol:

These 64's are in my collection.........

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Cyberstorm604e/Commodore-64s.jpg

Tell us what's in your collection so far mate?? :)

:pint:

[WolfToTheMoon]

On their website, yes, but note that technical specs of any kind are wholly absent from their FB page - and if what Franko was saying about their squashing of critical discussion is true, that does raise a few eyebrows.

Yeah... there's a link on their webpage and there you'll find things like...

The new Commodore 64 is a modern functional PC as close to the original in design as humanly possible. It houses a modern mini-ITX PC motherboard featuring a Dual Core 525 Atom processor and the latest Nvidia Ion2 graphics chipset. It comes in the original taupe brown/beige color, with other colors to follow.

I imagine anybody interested in buying things from C=USA will LOOK AT THE SPECS ON THEIR WEBPAGE BEFORE ORDERING!!!


Naturally, it's much easier to be a troll and post flame threads like this.

[Daedalus]

If there's really so many people that upset about it, why not found an Anti-CUSA Facebook group and give everyone a voice? Just a suggestion as I see many of these kind of pro/con group sets on FB.

I agree. Set up a "Commodore USA Computers are just Overpriced PCs" group, which they can comment on, and where you can delete their comments if you so choose :)

[Tension]

blah blah blah

Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.

[Franko]

@Franko

I pity the fools who run around the internet trolling... if you're not interested in their products, don't buy them(and don't join their forums/facebook page). Simple as that.

As to fooling people into believing they are anything else than a branded PC... The only fooling I see here(and there) is that of people thinking that CUSA is fooling anybody when they are clearly stating on their web page what is it that they are producing.


P.S. Get a Life!

It's mugs and fools like you that are helping CUSA to con folk into thinking that what they are producing is the genuine article.

Yes... your right, I do not have to buy their products but I am not going to sit back and let them con folk into thinking they are buying genuine Amiga or C64 hardware as they are trying to do now on facebook.


So if you don't like that then tough luck... :)

PS:I've already got a life and it's a ruddy great one, but thanks for the advice... :)

[WolfToTheMoon]

I agree. Set up a "Commodore USA Computers are just Overpriced PCs" group, which they can comment on, and where you can delete their comments if you so choose :)



They had every right to ban/erase his comments(I imagine he is the Frank in question), I've seen them. I would have done it too because it was a school example of trolling that added nothing to the discussion and was written only to inspire more trolling.

[WolfToTheMoon]

It's mugs and fools like you that are helping CUSA to con folk into thinking that what they are producing is the genuine article.

Yes... your right, I do not have to buy their products but I am not going to sit back and let them con folk into thinking they are buying genuine Amiga or C64 hardware as they are trying to do now on facebook.


So if you don't like that then tough luck... :)

I don't like trolling... set up your own page/forum and write whatever you want. Or alternatively, add something constructive to the discussion. If you think other people will allow your pointless driveling and trolling on their sites, you got it very wrong.

[Franko]

On their website, yes, but note that technical specs of any kind are wholly absent from their FB page - and if what Franko was saying about their squashing of critical discussion is true, that does raise a few eyebrows.

And now, back to my studious refusal to have anything to do with Facebook or their personal-data trafficking and commoditization of human interaction...

Just visit facebook and see for yourself, in the past 15 minutes they have deleted 6 of my comments and gawd knows how may by other folk... :madashell:

If CUSA want's to spout their lies on facebook and limit peoples free speech then they've got a war on their hands... :swords:

[Franko]

I don't like trolling... set up your own page/forum and write whatever you want. Or alternatively, add something constructive to the discussion. If you think other people will allow your pointless driveling and trolling on their sites, you got it very wrong.

I already have a website that does just that, so take your petty trolling arguments and stick them where the sun don't shine... :)

Do you work for CUSA as the comments of mine and others they have removed were not "trolling" as you claim, just folk worldwide who can see through the lies of CUSA and the scam they are trying to pull by using the brand names.

It's obvious that you have nothing constructive to say here as your obviously just a big CUSA fanboy... :)

[klx300r]

@Franko

P.S. Get a Life!

what's the matter now resorting to Facebook :roflmao:tisk tisk ...resorting to erasing any critical comments on Facebook (of all sites) ...

[klx300r]

...Do you work for CUSA as the comments of mine and others they have removed were not "trolling" as you claim, just folk worldwide who can see through the lies of CUSA and the scam they are trying to pull by using the brand names.... :)

as a matter of fact Leo is the CTO of CUSA don't ya know...he likes to use different user names on sites to try to fool people for some reason

[TheBilgeRat]

Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that instead of a just your garden variety wiener, WTTM is a shill. And a weenie.

[Argo]

Franko,
Just sit back, grab a bucket of popcorn, keep reading the Internet, and wait for the Fail!

[runequester]

I wonder what commodore amiga Iran has to say about this.

[Franko]

Hi A4000_Mad

A bit off topic I know but, I only have two old C64s right now one of them is broken, was looking through ebay on Sunday and ended up buying 3 C64s, 2 C16s, 1 +4 and another 2 A1200s. Waiting for a C128 auction to end to complete the collection... :)

I'll post some pics once I've got everything up and running. There was a Blizzard060 + 32MB Ram going, but I gave up when it went for the crazy price of £369...

I've been meaning to put together for years now a sort of Commodore museum and have been busy building some new desks and worktops to hold everything, though I think I might need to get a bigger house now to display everything... :)

@Argo

I'm gonna need a really big bucket of popcorn as myself and others are having to post new comments on facebook every 10 minutes as CUSAs on form tonight and deleting posts almost as they are being typed... ;)

[Tension]

Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that instead of a just your garden variety <>, WTTM is a shill. And a <>.

And a <>.

[nicholas]

I wonder what commodore amiga Iran has to say about this.

As the legitmate rights holders of The Holy Names, Commodore Amiga will be taking this flagrant abuse of our intellectual property very seriously!

We have weapons of mass distraction and we are not afraid to use them against the arrogant infidels!

[commodorejohn]

Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that instead of a just your garden variety wiener, WTTM is a shill. And a weenie.
Oh, I dunno. Never underestimate the power of blind fanboy loyalty.

[number6]

@Franko

If your focus is on any perceived Amiga connections implied, I understand your focus on C=USA.
If, however, your focus is on perceived Commodore connections, then I suggest you read about the other licensees. A good place to start:

Commodore at CES 2011 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33044&forum=17)

Always a good idea to do complete research before waging an attack. Heh. I'm not defending or attacking here. Just a FYI.

#6

[Franko]

@Franko

If your focus is on any perceived Amiga connections implied, I understand your focus on C=USA.
If, however, your focus is on perceived Commodore connections, then I suggest you read about the other licensees. A good place to start:

Commodore at CES 2011 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33044&forum=17)

Always a good idea to do complete research before waging an attack. Heh. I'm not defending or attacking here. Just a FYI.

#6

@ number6

Read your link, and don't see how anything in it applies here, sorry... !

There is no "percieved connections implied", CUSA can do whatever the hell they want on their own website but when they try to use a public forum like FaceBook to promote their products and con folk who know little or nothing about the C64 or Amiga into believing thay will be purchasing the real deal (ie:genuine Commodore Amiga or C64 hardware) then I'm not going to sit back and let them spout their lies and get away with it.

It's kind of strange how the only comments they leave up on FaceBook are from folk who are looking forward to this new run of Amiga or C64 hardware and who obviously don't know that these are nothing more than PCs running an emulator, but when myself and other folk from all over the world have commented on this our posts get deleted and replace with this comment by CUSA...

CUSAs quote on Facebaook...
Attempts to graffiti our Facebook page or promote other products will be deleted.
Trolling will not be tolerated.

Just as I was copying that quote CUSA has now stopped anyone from placing comments on their Facbook page, just shows you how petty CUSA really are... :)

[tone007]

Time to go down the list and message all of the "supporters" on Facebook with the dirty truth, and maybe point them to this thread! ;)

[BigBenAussie]

@tone007
the dirty truth
That we're selling PCs in the shape of a C64 with the Commodore brand, and it will run an emulator?
I thought this was common knowledge! It's posted everywhere, on our site, on Facebook, in hundreds of blogs.
It's what people are interested in. A scam takes your money and rips you off, which we've definitely not done.
Why can't you guys just see it for the cool thing it is. Modern tech in classic cases.

You guys are absolutely crazy with your determined efforts at hate-mongering.
Sounds a lot like trolling to me.
You have forums to engage in this sort of thing, and we even have our own now.

Would you leave hateful and disparaging comments on your own Facebook page?
Or entertain people who wish your demise?
This is our Corporate face we're talking about.
When your property gets graffiti you clean it, someone does it again, you clean it again.
Why one earth should we bow to these blatant attempts to belittle us on our own page?
Why would we let our page be a soap box for haters.
Grow up guys.
What gown-up goes to the effort of creating a mock site and then spams our Facebook page with a dozen posts.
It's only going to get you blocked from our page.

You don't like us. We get it.

[commodorejohn]

It's what people are interested in. A scam takes your money and rips you off, which we've definitely not done.
I'll go on record as saying that I agree, and I don't think this is a scam per se. What it is is shameless posturing of generic modern computer hardware plus generic modern computer software in a slightly (nu-Amiga) or not so slightly (nu-64) customized case as somehow being a successor to the C64/Amiga legacy, like putting a standard PC in a custom case and packaging it with Linux and an emulator is somehow equivalent to bringing innovative engineering, breakthrough audio/video quality, and low prices together into a couple of genuinely world-class machines. Scamming in a technical sense? No. Tawdry flogging of a brand identity that you scavenged from a dead company that invented more with even just the two computers than yours ever has? Most definitely.

Would you leave hateful and disparaging comments on your own Facebook page? Or entertain people who wish your demise?
Yes. Yes I would.

[BigBenAussie]

@commodorejohn

Commodore died, and Amiga effectively too.
There is practically no company on earth that could rise to your huge expectations.
And those that could are not interested in either the Commodore or Amiga names.

You just want all attempts at the revival of Commodore or the Amiga dead because they don't meet your purity test.
Other people are not so hung up with the past as you seem to be.
They see this as a cool opportunity to revive the brands, and with a bit of luck, going some way to rekindling the flame of Commodore's past.

Some faceless entity in China could easily have bought the names and released all manner of stuff you most likely would have liked even less.

[Franko]

@BigBenAussie

The trouble is your touting these PCs as being the real deal and from comments I've read on facebook some folk who don't know any better are falling for it.

I don't wish to see CUSAs demise I just wish they would make it clear to potential purchasers that these are nothing more than a PC running an emulator in a customised case. CUSA are using the brand names to lure folk into buying what they believe will be genuine original Commodore built machines which they are not (ie: they do not contain in any manner the original Amiga or C64 custom chip sets).

Who created a mock site ??? and if by spamming your facebook page you mean myself and the others who's comments that CUSA have removed then it's CUSA who needs to grow up. If you want to post blatant lies on facebook then delete anyones comment who points this out then I shall just simply report this to facebook and have all your lies removed.

[klx300r]

@ BigBenAussie

Leo, no one is saying that offensive trolling on your facebook page is ok but at least leave ONE critical post and respond intelligently to it...seems shady & besides better to tell people the truth from day one.....an internet search will eventually lead them here you know

[commodorejohn]

Commodore died, and Amiga effectively too.
There is practically no company on earth that could rise to your huge expectations. You just want all attempts at the revival of Commodore or the Amiga dead because they don't meet your purity test.
Actually, my expectations aren't that high. I'd settle for something that could be described as "giving a damn." Minimig, NatAmi, hell, even the X1000 (comical pricing aside) is more of an attempt at creating something than C-USA has shown thus far.

(Now, I certainly wouldn't be complaining if someone did for the modern computer market what Commodore did for the home computer market of the '80s, but as far as I'm concerned that's something to aspire to, not the minimum bar for acceptance.)

Some faceless entity in China could easily have bought the names and released all manner of stuff you most likely would have liked even less.
Yes, and there are children starving in Somalia so I should just shut up and eat eggplant and beets even though they make me barf. Right.

[tone007]

http://jungle.net/tone/viewing.jpg

That's what I'm talking about, Franko makes a post and people view it.

[BigBenAussie]

@Franko

What lies Franko?
When you see our C64 in stores with 1.8 Ghz Intel Atom on the sign underneath WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'LL THINK IT IS?
Give people some credit. They're more informed than you realise and those that aren't will most definitely be when it comes time for them to plonk money down.
The C64 page on our website clearly states what the hardware used is, and even mentions that you can run Windows.
Yet somehow you are accusing us of telling lies.
This is madness.

[ChaosLord]

The word "Emulator" intentionally does not appear anywhere on the CUSA Facebook page. Seems deceptive to me. I can understand why some people get angry about this.

[fishy_fiz]

While I have no interest in C-USA, or there products, I really cant help but to cringe at the actions of some Amiga users. I've said it before and I'll say it again, amiga users are often thier worst enemies, and a big part of the reason we're mocked in the outside world by those who are even aware of our existance.
Now this isnt having a go at anyone in particular, Franko for example can be reasonably articulate in his arguements, and people having a passionate opinion can be fine, and get a persons ideas across, but unfortunately a good portion of "defense" of our beloved system by a lot of our troops just gives others reasons to write off the system as a relic of yesteryear that is still followed by a handful of people clinging to the past. This is unfortunate, as while there's things that would be nice to have from the modern world, I disagree with the often heard notion that amiga has nothing worth preserving. There's quite a few ideas of amiga os and its spin offs that are worth keeping, and that make it unique. I actually believe this is part of the reason (besides thier actions to date) why so many of the remaining "amiga" users are so against C-USA,... theyre making it hard for the "real" amiga systems uniqueness to be preserved.
Unfortunately I dont think there's any real answers here, and I actually dont begrudge C-USA for trying to make some money. Theyre a business, so are driven by the $, not by the heart, much like any business. It does conflict with many of our own interests, but such is life. This isnt to say Im a fan, quite the contrary infact. Respect is harder to earn than lose, and I have absolutely none for C-USA, but this isnt due to them trying to make money from the Commodore and/or Amiga names.

[Franko]

@Franko

What lies Franko?
When you see our C64 in stores with 1.8 Ghz Intel Atom on the sign underneath WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'LL THINK IT IS?
Give people some credit. They're more informed than you realise and those that aren't will most definitely be when it comes time for them to plonk money down.
The C64 page on our website clearly states what the hardware used is, and even mentions that you can run Windows.
Yet somehow you are accusing us of telling lies.
This is madness.

If it's not lies then why have you deleted countless comments from myself and others over recent days who have done nothing more than point out to folk that these machines are nothing more than PCs running an emulator.

Why can't you reply to the comments on FaceBook that folk make with an appropriate reply either confirming or denying these comments instead of just deleting them.

I'll tell you why, it's because a lot of the folk looking at these facebook pages (and I have seen the comments myself before you deleted them) are under the illusion that these machines are the genuine thing being reproduced using modern technology.

So some of these folk are not as informed as you claim, just come clean and admit your doing nothing more than trying to cash in on the brand names by hoping you'll sell enough units before anyone notices... :)

[BigBenAussie]

@ChaosLord
The word "Emulator" intentionally does not appear anywhere on the CUSA Facebook page. Seems deceptive to me. I can understand why some people get angry about this.
I was not aware of that, but I wasn't aware it was a crime. I haven't elaborated on a lot of stuff there from our website. It is merely a facebook presence.
"Emulator" is mentioned on our C64 web page, and if people are interested in our product they would obviously go there.
Emulation is something that adds value, but it isn't the single factor that would be selling our machines obviously.

[Argo]

I followed Franko's link to Facebook and from there somehow wandered my way to their C= Amiga.org website. I'm finding the discussions on "Workbench 5" amusing.

[Belial6]

I have seen nothing from CUSA that even hints at deception. At worst, they could be accused of being overly optimistic. What they are offering is what a lot of people want. They have done nothing to this point that could be called a con.

Anyone that would be confused into thinking that the C64x is original Commodore hardware from the 80's would have to be a complete and utter moron. The same as if they thought the C64 in a joystick was original Commodore equipment. The same as if they thought the MiniMig or C-One was original Commodore equipment. Heck, it is clear that CUSA doesn't want people to think it is the same hardware as the '80s machine.

Just go here: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/ and you will find far more products that are less clear about whether they are 'Original Commodore' equipment. Heck, the original Commodore never produced a PPC machine. Nothing running on PPC is 'Original Commodore'.

The problem is that a small group of people have decided that being an ******* is cool, and have rationalized that not only is their poor behavior OK, but that they are protecting the innocent for the evil infidels. We don't need you to protect us from CUSA. Some of us WANT to buy what CUSA is proposing to sell, and we are not confused about what it is.

I suppose the one good thing to come of this is that all of the Classic/MorphOS/AmigaOS4 users can now all join hands in a love fest and sing Kumbaya because they now have a new group that they can hate more than each other.

[Franko]

Anyone that would be confused into thinking that the C64x is original Commodore hardware from the 80's would have to be a complete and utter moron.

I'm not a big fan of Facebook but if you read some of the comments (even the positive ones) before they were deleted, then yes there must be a hell of a lot of confused morons out there... :)

If you like being an ******* and thinking that it's cool then feel free to carry on matey, your doing a good job of it... :)

PS:enjoy your new CUSA product when you get it, I'll just note your name under the heading of MUG... :lol:

[klx300r]

I have seen nothing from CUSA that even hints at deception. ...

Workbench 5 = AmigaOS5 = AI LIES & DECEPTION :madashell::furious::uzi::destroy:

[CSixx]

Franko,

If someone doesn't want you and your crusade on their facebook page, they have every right to remove your comments, whine more...

And about that drama-queen exit from the internet you made, lol...

[Franko]

Franko,

If someone doesn't want you and your crusade on their facebook page, they have every right to remove your comments, whine more...

And about that drama-queen exit from the internet you made, lol...

If someone want's to spout keech on Facbook and can't handle the truth being told then they deserve everything they get...

Drama queen exit ???, just got fed up responding to idiots like yourself that's all... :)

[CSixx]

ouch, that cuts like a knife....
Anyway, have fun being outraged... lol. Fight the power!

[Franko]

ouch, that cuts like a knife....
Anyway, have fun being outraged... lol. Fight the power!

Don't worry, Im really enjoying this, not even in slightest bit outraged about anything just like to speak the truth that's all... ;)

[fishy_fiz]

I have seen nothing from CUSA that even hints at deception. At worst, they could be accused of being overly optimistic. What they are offering is what a lot of people want. They have done nothing to this point that could be called a con.

Anyone that would be confused into thinking that the C64x is original Commodore hardware from the 80's would have to be a complete and utter moron. The same as if they thought the C64 in a joystick was original Commodore equipment. The same as if they thought the MiniMig or C-One was original Commodore equipment. Heck, it is clear that CUSA doesn't want people to think it is the same hardware as the '80s machine.

Just go here: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/ and you will find far more products that are less clear about whether they are 'Original Commodore' equipment. Heck, the original Commodore never produced a PPC machine. Nothing running on PPC is 'Original Commodore'.

The problem is that a small group of people have decided that being an ******* is cool, and have rationalized that not only is their poor behavior OK, but that they are protecting the innocent for the evil infidels. We don't need you to protect us from CUSA. Some of us WANT to buy what CUSA is proposing to sell, and we are not confused about what it is.

I suppose the one good thing to come of this is that all of the Classic/MorphOS/AmigaOS4 users can now all join hands in a love fest and sing Kumbaya because they now have a new group that they can hate more than each other.


Heh, bit of a case of pot calling kettle black in regards to the ******* thing. You've grouped everyone with an interest in the "NG" amiga options together, and assumed they all have the same take on C-USA, then in another post bought up something compltely off topic in a petty potshot (I refer to you bringing up Franko's exit, which was made dramatic more by other users than Franko himself). Classy, and great rationale.

[Franko]

(I refer to you bringing up Franko's exit, which was made dramatic more by other users than Franko himself")

Never thought me & you would actually agree on something but your 100% correct there... ;)

(It's was all a bit weird at the time and like some badly scripted episode of Eastenders I thought... :))

[fishy_fiz]

Contrary to how it may have appeared, for the most part I had few problems with anything you said. I guess the nature of forums can make things seem different in that people tend to only comment when they disagree with something.
As for "badly scripted Eastenders", you mean to say there's Eastenders scripts that arent bad ? :)

[Franko]

Contrary to how it may have appeared, for the most part I had few problems with anything you said. I guess the nature of forums can make things seem different in that people tend to only comment when they disagree with something.
As for "badly scripted Eastenders", you mean to say there's Eastenders scripts that arent bad ? :)

I know what you mean, I can be a bit of an argumentative bugger at times, as for Eastenders I've only ever watched it way back in the late 80's and always felt like sticking my head in the oven afterwards... :)

(Bet there's a few folk on here who are wishing that I had done... :lol:)

[Franko]

Seems like CUSA and BigBenTheAussie like to censor anything they post on the web, another classic example of this can be found here on YouTube... :lol:

CUSA & BigBenTheAussie's Video (with Comments disabled... of course) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsmiuEYUQY&feature=fvw)

For Gawd sake CUSA and BigBen... what next... injunctions preventing anyone using the words Commodore or Amiga. You really are a sad bunch of petty little gits aren't you... :rolleyes:

[BigBenAussie]

Mr Spiers,

It is not our function to provide you with a soap box for your personal crusade against us. We are merely trying to bring something we love back. Something that many people think is cool. It may not be in the manner you wish it to be, but that is the best we can do for now, with the best of intentions. We are not asking for your support, but merely some decorum on your part.

Regards,
Leo

[Franko]

Mr Spiers,

It is not our function to provide you with a soap box for your personal crusade against us. We are merely trying to bring something we love back. Something that many people think is cool. It may not be in the manner you wish it to be, but that is the best we can do for now, with the best of intentions. We are not asking for your support, but merely some decorum on your part.

Regards,
Leo

So kind of you to address me by the proper surname, now if you would be so kind and grown up to allow myself and all the others whos comments you have deleted on FaceBook to have our say and respond to those comments in a grown up and fair manner we may just get somewhere.

Or are you going to continue thinking you can just say whatever you want on public forums on the net and not allow anyone to respond when they disagree with you.

Why are you being so petty in all of this if you have nothing to be ashamed of or are trying to hide, it's bad enough that you do this on Commodore/Amiga related forums but when you start doing it on places like FaceBook & YouTube your just proving to the world that all is not what you claim it to be.

Cheers

Franko

[Manu]

It's about time someone does a "C64" again. It would be cool to have one on my desk. I've used PC's since 1996-97 so it won't come as a shocker to me if it's a PC (Intel) inside. :-)

I hope they can attract enough interest so that they at least can have their money back that they have invested in making that case. It's not cheap to make plastic moulds.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I already have a website that does just that, so take your petty trolling arguments and stick them where the sun don't shine... :)

Do you work for CUSA as the comments of mine and others they have removed were not "trolling" as you claim, just folk worldwide who can see through the lies of CUSA and the scam they are trying to pull by using the brand names.

It's obvious that you have nothing constructive to say here as your obviously just a big CUSA fanboy... :)


Oh, Franko, Franko... Answer me this.


What were the names of the threads on which you posted?
What was the subject of discussion on those threads?
Was your post in ANY MEANINGFUL way related to those subjects and did it contribute in any way to the discussion?
Was the thread derailed after your post(s)?


So you see, your posts fit perfectly to something called TROLLING. You know it, I know it, anybody who's seen it knows it.

I'm only sorry I haven't saved those comments just to expose your royal bull****ness in it's full light.


It is also very funny that you claim that C=USA is in any way scamming people into believing that they are making the direct descendants of the Commodore an AMIGA products on the very same thread in which somebody from C=USA plainly writes - We'll be USING LINUX! - On the same thread!!! :hammer::lol:


Franko, what I can take from this is that you're a middle aged man who has nothing better to do then post rubbish and troll on forums. You're also somewhat of an attention whore... Oh, and BTW...

I seem to be spending all my time fighting all those nasty big multi nationals and there lies these days... Kinda enjoying it though... http://www.tipperarylibrarynews.ie/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/don-quixote.jpg

If you haven't read it already, I suggest it wholeheartedly... You may find some more inspiration for your meaningless rants

[Kesa]

I don't understand how fishing is a part of this conversation :confused:

[Daedalus]

We are merely trying to bring something we love back.

What was it you loved about the C64? Or the Amiga? Because if it's any more than the C64's case, or the label on the Amiga then you're not actually bringing something you love back. You're not bringing back the elegance or simplicity of the OS. You're not bringing back the innovation.

I'm all for a new machine in the style of the old Commodores and Amigas, I think it's a great idea. But what you're doing here, and what I suspect is riling people up against you, is the fact that you're selling machines, claiming them to be the successor to the Amiga and Commodore lines. If you called them something else and made it more obvious that they're not the natural progression from the old OS and the old machines then I'm sure most people here would've been quite happy. Hell, you might have even got a few more sales out of sites like this one. But implying that they are the next generation of Amigas, trying to make them look like they're the next generation of AmigaOS and so on is preying on people who aren't as informed as you try to make out. Of course they'll see "Atom" on the label beside it, and might find a more accurate description after following some links from your Facebook page, but that won't mean much to the average user. They won't realise that hidden in the background is the actual successor to the Amiga in the shape of AmigaOS, and the likes of MorphOS and AROS (which actually *are* something to do with Amiga), and which, despite your best efforts at informing the world, aren't dead and are happily progressing in their own small niche market.

Think about it. If you tried pushing your Amiga-looking Linux distro on PCs in custom cases and calling it let's say "MagnumOS", while telling everyone it's inspired by Amiga and has an integrated Amiga emulator, you wouldn't be treading on people's feelings here, and might have got a number of sales from dedicated Amiga users. The outside world wouldn't notice the difference either way - Workbench sounds a but naff, a new and more memorable name would probably be a better idea anyway.

[Franko]

@ WolfToTheMoon

Well as your memory seems to have gone to pot just like your absurd comments have, the threads were titled...

Toaster Systems
Game Dev on Workbench
New Computer Commodore Amiga

As for the subjects of the discussion, other than CUSAs comments and the one or two posts that they did like it's very hard to say as they kept deleting my comments and all the other folks comments so it was a bit like CUSA itself... a ruddy shambles.

So me and all those other folks from all over world whose comments were deleted are nothing more than trolls and were all gibbering Bull**** are we... must be following your example then eh...

You don't have to worry about saving my comments as I have them here as they were written offline and shall be posted again on CUSAs FaceBook page when I do so under a different name, so they'll have to lock me out again.

What on earth has age got to do with anything apart from the fact your mental age seems to be that of a 5 year old, sorry that's a bit of an insult to 5 year olds, lets make that a fetus in a bucket which would seem more appropriate to your ramblings and the tripe you and your bum chum BigBen post on WWW.Commodore-Amiga.org

If I ever need some bad advice or just something to laugh at I'll be sure to read your posts, cos they really are quite amusing even if they are a load of complete and utter CUSA fanboy crap... :)

Oh and one more thing I enjoy being an attention whore at least it's better than being a little jobbie with his tongue stuck up Big Bens arse... :)

[WolfToTheMoon]

As for the subjects of the discussion, other than CUSAs comments and the one or two posts that they did like it's very hard to say as they kept deleting my comments and all the other folks comments so it was a bit like CUSA itself... a ruddy shambles.

Franko... do not think you can bull**** me with your talk. I've seen the threads, I have seen the civilized discussion untill you stepped in. You didnt even had the decency of starting another thread to troll but you had to destroy threads that had nothing with what you had to "say".

So me and all those other folks from all over world whose comments were deleted are nothing more than trolls and were all gibbering Bull**** are we... must be following your example then eh...

Any comments that were deleted were deleted rightfully because it was either trolling or response to your trolling that derailed the thred.

and shall be posted again on CUSAs FaceBook page when I do so under a different name, so they'll have to lock me out again.

Good of you to expose yourself like that so that we can all see the whole magnitude of your personal issues.

What on earth has age got to do with anything apart from the fact your mental age seems to be that of a 5 year old

Coming from a 40+ year old who trolls and makes fake facebook accounts so he can troll more. Wow! Really WOW! :lol:

[Franko]

@ WolfToTheMoon

So me and everyone else who commented are trolls eh... bet you didn't even read my first comment which began with the words "I don't mean any harm to CUSAs business plan but,"

If that's trolling and a reason to delete my comments then yes I'm a big dad troll and bloody well proud of it you sad little git...

Expose myself to what, unlike you and CUSA I'm upfront about anything I have to say and if that means creating another facebook account to expose the bull**** CUSA is pedalling on FaceBook then so be it.

I've publicly stated my intentions so there is nothing to expose you weirdo, now go put your tongue back where it belongs, up BigBens jacksie... :)

[Kesa]

Franko! *expresses shock*. What happened to you when you were gone? :confused:

[WolfToTheMoon]

and if that means creating another facebook account to expose the bull**** CUSA is pedalling on FaceBook then so be it.

So now you'll be spamming too? :lol:

with each and every post you only dig yourself deeper.

unlike you and CUSA I'm upfront about anything I have to say

The only thing you're upfront is that you're a troll. So I give you credit there. The rest of your repertoire is pure BS.

[Franko]

So now you'll be spamming too? :lol:

with each and every post you only dig yourself deeper.



The only thing you're upfront is that you're a troll. So I give you credit there. The rest of your repertoire is pure BS.

Yup just like yourself and CUSA I'll love digging holes just to see how deep they can get...

As for my repertoire, well coming from the likes of you that's a compliment indeed... :)

[WolfToTheMoon]

Yup just like yourself and CUSA I'll love digging holes just to see how deep they can get...

As for my repertoire, well coming from the likes of you that's a compliment indeed... :)


there's absolutely no need or desire on my part to continue having any discussion with you. You are obvious incapable of having a nice, cultural discussion, as evident by your posts on facebook an here. Good bye to you, Sir! Best of luck in your trolling career :)

[Franko]

there's absolutely no need or desire on my part to continue having any discussion with you. You are obvious incapable of having a nice, cultural discussion, as evident by your posts on facebook an here. Good bye to you, Sir! Best of luck in your trolling career :)

Took you long enough to realise that, didn't it, anyway thank you for wishing me luck in my career as a troll although the credit should really go to CUSA for giving me all the practice required... :)

[AmigaNG]

I have to say maybe some people are bashing and going after CommodoreUSA a bit too strongly, ok I have no love for them either, my FommodoreUK you tube vid prove that ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlDagZX1vWI ). I dont like what they are doing and I dont like their past action to date on the way they have dealt with the Amiga community and the way they are treating the brand, but they have moved on from the Amiga forum (far as I tell they only respond in threads not started by them) and started their own forum and if you read some of the posts their they are being a lot more open and honest about what their goals are.


It be nice if they make it clear at all outlets they are advertising them self on what they are actually offering but I don't see that happing at its make bad business so I'm not a bit surprised.


Part of me think they 100% deserver what they are getting for just all the bs we have had from them, but another part of me thinks that they dont.


As example Hyperion had to remove comment part from its blogs due to similar hate/trolling, did they deserver it, maybe someone out their think they did for past actions.


But they spoiled the fun/ability for the people who are interested. This is kind of what you are doing.


I completely with you that they should be making their plans clear and differently make it clear that Workbench 5 is nothing to do with AmigaOS 4. But to follow them about on their own forums and own sites/outlets is trolling, I've reg myself on commodore-amiga.org just to stop anyone claiming to be amigang, but I haven't post their because it would be just trolling. Hell maybe my Youtube vid is trolling, but its not their site and it is another way to spread the truth about the company.

PS: Well back Franko :)

[tone007]

It's about time someone does a "C64" again. It would be cool to have one on my desk. I've used PC's since 1996-97 so it won't come as a shocker to me if it's a PC (Intel) inside. :-)

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=474

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http://commodore64computer.com/wp-content/uploads/C64-Console.jpg

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Commodore 64 on your desk acting as a keyboard for any PC.

I did this two years ago. The novelty wore off quickly.

[fishy_fiz]

I always got a bit of a kick from this:
http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/7/71/Internet_argument.jpg

Seemed to fit in with the general theme so far :)

[Franko]

@ AmigaNG

The whole point is CUSA is now using a public forum like FaceBook as another method to sell their wares, nothing wrong with that you might say but when they do so in a public forum and open up a discussion page and folk like myself and many others asked them simply to clarify just what exactly these new machines and OS were our posts were deleted.

They then wonder why the same folk respond in a more forthright manner asking them why they have deleted their comments only to have these deleted too and finally being locked out of making any kind of comment on their so called discussion page.

I read over a period of days many comments others had made and nothing that was said could be classed as "Trolling" or "Graffiti" as CUSA claim on their FaceBook page. However if CUSA thinks they have the right to say whatever they want on a public forum and not expect fair criticism from folk then they can think again.

There are a number of folk just now on FaceBook who have been in contact with me telling me that they are going to start a new page on FaceBook to expose CUSA for the cowards and liars that they are (not sure how they're going to do this as I don't know much about FaceBook) but if they do you can be sure it will soon have more folk liking it than those who like CUSA official FaceBook page.

Between the forums and now things like FaceBook and YouTube CUSA are just asking for all the trouble they get unless they have a change of heart and behave a bit mature then they are only alienating more and more potential customers, but it's obvious they don't care about the customer in the first place and are only in this thing to make a quick buck.... :)

[Manu]

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=474

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http://commodore64computer.com/wp-content/uploads/C64-Console.jpg

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Commodore 64 on your desk acting as a keyboard for any PC.

I did this two years ago. The novelty wore off quickly.'

That's not the same thing, if you take a look at Commodore USA's C64X it has a redesigned keyboard so it's easier to use with modern Windows/Linux & and their applications.

Besides I would never sodomise a original C64 to do something like that. Not even if it were broken. :-D And I've had my share of building PC's etc, it was something that was fun as a youngster but not anymore.

[WolfToTheMoon]

'
Besides I would never sodomise a original C64 to do something like that. Not even if it were broken. :-D And I've had my share of building PC's etc, it was something that was fun as a youngster but not anymore.

I might attempt to make a 65816 based mobo in the future that could maybe fit inside the new case(C64x). Ordered a few bits to learn more about 6502 and PCB design and eventually try to make a breadboard homemade 6502 based computer. Originally, I intended to try to make a Coldfire based acc. board, but I have since downgraded my wishes/expectations for the near future. :)

[JJ]

Sorry read most of this thread and then got a bit bored.

Whilst I am no fan of how CUSA started out with their blatant stealing of other people work, I really think that some people are making themselves out to look even bigger idiots than CUSA.

You all really need to step back and get some perspective. I agreee with the people who are pointing out that its these sort of actions and rants that tar the Amiga community as a whole.

At the end of the day who gives a flying feck what CUSA get up to. The Amiga name is way beyond salvage.

[tone007]

Besides I would never sodomise a original C64 to do something like that. Not even if it were broken. :-D

Boy, you'd probably have cried your eyes out if you saw the trash can full of dead breadbin C64s I hauled to the dump a few months back..

[KThunder]

@ AmigaNG

The whole point is CUSA is now using a public forum like FaceBook as another method to sell their wares, nothing wrong with that you might say but when they do so in a public forum and open up a discussion page and folk like myself and many others asked them simply to clarify just what exactly these new machines and OS were our posts were deleted.

They then wonder why the same folk respond in a more forthright manner asking them why they have deleted their comments only to have these deleted too and finally being locked out of making any kind of comment on their so called discussion page.

I read over a period of days many comments others had made and nothing that was said could be classed as "Trolling" or "Graffiti" as CUSA claim on their FaceBook page. However if CUSA thinks they have the right to say whatever they want on a public forum and not expect fair criticism from folk then they can think again.

There are a number of folk just now on FaceBook who have been in contact with me telling me that they are going to start a new page on FaceBook to expose CUSA for the cowards and liars that they are (not sure how they're going to do this as I don't know much about FaceBook) but if they do you can be sure it will soon have more folk liking it than those who like CUSA official FaceBook page.

Between the forums and now things like FaceBook and YouTube CUSA are just asking for all the trouble they get unless they have a change of heart and behave a bit mature then they are only alienating more and more potential customers, but it's obvious they don't care about the customer in the first place and are only in this thing to make a quick buck.... :)


Franko why don't you post here exactly what you posted there that got deleted? I have read your "forthright" manner before and it kinda makes me wonder.

numerous mentions of "keech" come to mind

You said in this post that you were asking what the machines and os were, that has already been gone over numerous times both on cusa's website and here on amiga.org and elsewere. Going to their facebook page and bringing up a subject again that has been covered (rather intensly) is a quite trollish.

If you don't like the product thats fine, or the company for that matter, but you seem to be going out of your way to attack them. I for instance wouldn't mind having a modernish pc in a retro case, even if it were a bit more expensive. In other words I am a potential customer, and I still haven't been to their facebook page. If you aren't a potential customer why the heck were you there. You seem to have been there to get offended and pissed off.

Facebook pages aren't for the type of "discussion" that I think you had in mind.

[Argo]

We are merely trying to bring something we love back. Something that many people think is cool. It may not be in the manner you wish it to be, but that is the best we can do for now, with the best of intentions.

Yeah, that didn't turn out too well for Dr. Frankenstien...

[Franko]

@ KThunder

If you didn't read them then blame CUSA for deleting them not me.

While don't have to explain myself or my actions to you or anyone else here for that matter, I will only say I can view which ever FaceBook page I choose without having to explain myself to you, however I will just say I was directed there by a personal email from an Amiga..org member.

Dunno what type of discussion you think I had in mind but unless your a mind reader then your just jumping to conclusions, funny how whenever I post something you don't like or agree with you've always got to respond with this type of post.

Neither myself or any of the other folk who commented on their so called discussions attacked them, every one who posted were simply asking questions but because CUSA didn't like these question they began deleting all these folks comments and when they kept that's when folk got pissed off and began attacking them.

Call it trolling or any of those other made up words folk seem to like to use on the internet, but honestly I couldn't care less what you have to say on the matter as you only ever seem intent in trying to provoke a response from me like this, which I don't mind cos I find it all very amusing... ;)

My conclusion... you must be more bored than me... :)

[mechy]

Well said :)


Ah, the rallying cry of the internet fanboy - "you're not allowed to criticize it if you haven't paid money for it!" No. Crappy webcomics are crappy webcomics, pathetic camwhores are pathetic camwhores, and hucksters trying to make money off a respected brand they had nothing to do with establishing are cons, pure and simple.


On their website, yes, but note that technical specs of any kind are wholly absent from their FB page - and if what Franko was saying about their squashing of critical discussion is true, that does raise a few eyebrows.

And now, back to my studious refusal to have anything to do with Facebook or their personal-data trafficking and commoditization of human interaction...

[nicholas]

For Gawd sake CUSA and BigBen... what next... injunctions preventing anyone using the words Commodore or Amiga.

I'd like to see them try it with us!

[JJ]

Sorry Franko but from my point of view you are going out of your way to annoy, harrass and troll.

Indeed facebook is not like a forum and they can delete what they like.

What was the point in creating this thread????

[dammy]

@ KThunder

If you didn't read them then blame CUSA for deleting them not me.

While don't have to explain myself or my actions to you or anyone else here for that matter,

If you don't have to explain yourself, why do you hold C=USA to a higher standard? You are not a customer afterall. Talk about a strong whiff of hypocricy.

[Franko]

Sorry Franko but from my point of view you are going out of your way to annoy, harrass and troll.

Indeed facebook is not like a forum and they can delete what they like.

What was the point in creating this thread????

Call it what you want JJ, what's the point in creating any of the threads about CUSA, odd that I don't recall you asking that of other members who have created threads on CUSA... :confused:

If you don't like it, don't read it or comment on it that's the kind of advice CUSA and others here seem to like to give out, kinda defeats the point of any sort of forum on the net when you take that attitude... :)

[Franko]

If you don't have to explain yourself, why do you hold C=USA to a higher standard? You are not a customer afterall. Talk about a strong whiff of hypocricy.

Ok Mr Administrator on that other forum, just like CUSA doesn't have to explain themselves neither do I...

Simple as that... :)

[ElPolloDiabl]

Let's say someones first computer was an Amiga they then went to PC or Mac. 20 years later they see the only marketed Amiga named product by CUSA and buy it. I don't see how we've been harmed.
An alternative to trolling is a positive campaign to post info about current Amiga options on any relevant website that allows comments.

I don't see the point of purity, even back in the day people wanted different things from their Amiga. Amiga should sit somewhere between an extremely open PC and an extremely closed Mac.

[dammy]

Ok Mr Administrator on that other forum, just like CUSA doesn't have to explain themselves neither do I...

Simple as that... :)

Good, then we are all happy and we can end this silly thread.

[Franko]

Good, then we are all happy and we can end this silly thread.

Nah... where's the fun in that... :)

[Retro_71]

What was the point in creating this thread????

For my enjoyment since it was getting a bit boring???? Always make a grab for the pop corn..... :D
Anyway first off i hate face-book on sooo many levels but hey that my beef... :p
As for C-USA selling overpriced, crappy, and cheap (parts that is and not the price they would sell it at) i have a great say all they want to do is make a quick buck and whatever manner they deem fit and omitting certain words to make there product look more genuine/attractive for the gullible is part of that.
The fact that anyone with half a brain can build a better PC that is more powerful and with better components is a given all they are trying to do is cash in on the Amiga and C64 name

[WolfToTheMoon]

The fact that anyone with half a brain can build a better PC that is more powerful and with better components is a given all they are trying to do is cash in on the Amiga and C64 name

You build a better, cheaper C64x then theirs and I'll buy it from you. Deal?

[JJ]

What wrong with cashing in on a name, every company does it to some extent. Its only name. I really dont get what the issue is. neither name has any value anymore so why does anyone care.

[coldfish]

I wouldn't worry about what CUSA are doing too much.
I reckon they'll be lucky to break even on the time and money they're throwing at this C= "revival".

A lot of past C64 owners might be happy to impulse buy a $30 C64-in-a-joystick for the sake of a quick nostalgia fix, but I've got doubts about them paying $100s to $1000+ for anything that doesnt run Windows.

Those willing to pay for more than a nostalgia fix are likely to be more knowledgeable (like many people on Amiga fora), and wont fall for a Linux PC with a few C= badges stuck on. If they are, it's their money...

Short answer; I dont see that CUSA have much of a market.

[Retro_71]

You build a better, cheaper C64x then theirs and I'll buy it from you. Deal?

Why would I?? i have enough trouble trying to build server and Pc's for my 100 odd user's?
Why would i build a PC to emulate a C64 when anyone of my computers (at home or work) can do the trick? why because they put it in a case that looks like a C64?
Also i am not in the habit of building crap since my 100+ users tend to abuse the **** out of the PC's i build for them i have to make mine bullet proof which means I use the best parts i don't use no cheap **** in my PC's (i have pride in my work)
So no thanks i want a real C64 and Amiga not a PC's i can make blind folded

[Manu]

What if Commodore USA only sold replicas (without motherboard & PSU ) of all former Commodore models. Would that be bad too? Would it be bad if one could fit their SAM / X1000 Pegasos into a r A1200 A1000 A2000 A3000 A4000 replica ?

I'm just asking out of curiosity not claiming they will do that.

I wonder where those old moulds are, recycled probably.

[Retro_71]

As long as they said what they were and not try and make them out as something they are not? I would buy from them since there will be some FPGA Amiga's coming out soon that i can use them for.
I don't really care that they make PC's its just the whole thing of them trying to make them out as genuine C64 and Amiga's when there just a Linux box with UAE.

[WolfToTheMoon]

Why would I?? i have enough trouble trying to build server and Pc's for my 100 odd user's?
Why would i build a PC to emulate a C64 when anyone of my computers (at home or work) can do the trick? why because they put it in a case that looks like a C64?
Also i am not in the habit of building crap since my 100+ users tend to abuse the **** out of the PC's i build for them i have to make mine bullet proof which means I use the best parts i don't use no cheap **** in my PC's (i have pride in my work)
So no thanks i want a real C64 and Amiga not a PC's i can make blind folded


Words are very cheap, aren't they?

[Retro_71]

Words are very cheap, aren't they?

Your words maybe but not mine. Do not assume you know me or what my work is or what i have done for a living, but i will give u a bit of advice PC's are easy to make, any idiot can do it but making sure something will last more then a few months..... tell me what kind of power supply/MB/CPU/Hdd/DVD/Blue-ray/memory/video card/Case etc etc would you use?
AS for C-USA PC's (netbook more like it) i would rate them even lower then Dell (lol yes i am starting a fight with Dell.. :p)

[WolfToTheMoon]

AS for C-USA PC's (netbook more like it) i would rate them even lower then Dell (lol yes i am starting a fight with Dell.. :p)

Have you used them? Hold them in your hands?

[Retro_71]

WTTM on a side note don't bother trying to pick a fight with me when it comes to PC's you will lose. unless you can answer me this question there was a period in time when quite a lot of motherboards for alot of manufacturers were ship with bad capacitors tell me what the time period is? If you can't don't talk to me about PC's.

[WolfToTheMoon]

WTTM on a side note don't bother trying to pick a fight with me when it comes to PC's you will lose. unless you can answer me this question there was a period in time when quite a lot of motherboards for alot of manufacturers were ship with bad capacitors tell me what the time period is? If you can't don't talk to me about PC's.


I'm not trying to pick a fight with you... You picking a fight with common sense would be a much better description of your posts.

[Retro_71]

Have you used them? Hold them in your hands?

Which the C-USA stuff? NO i don't need to unless they are making there own you can only get those premade stuff from a select group (quality wise) unless you go for no name Chinese stuff. How about you enlighten me on which board they will use and from where?
And as for Dell yes i have to fix a few every now and then so yes i know.

[WolfToTheMoon]

Which the C-USA stuff? NO i don't need to

So you are basing your opinion on - exactly what? You never used them, you don't know which components they will use. So what exactly do you have to say other then this pointless driveling here?

[Retro_71]

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you... You picking a fight with common sense would be a much better description of your posts.

LOL That's a good one?? common sense? my common sense would tell me not to buy things that are not what they seem... hmmm don't know about yours though.

[Retro_71]

So you are basing your opinion on - exactly what? You never used them, you don't know which components they will use. So what exactly do you have to say other then this pointless driveling here?

no components my friend i don't think anyone in C-USA is going to be soldering different chip from different manufacturers onto a PCB that they designed and if thats the case they will be getting an off the self motherboard with everything on board.. so my question still stands?
What is the make and model of said motherboard?

P.S. Anyway its 2am here i have had my fun Franko or someone else can take over for a while.. tomorrow is Australia Day so have good one guys...

P.P.S. Haven't enjoyed my self in a long while.... :d

[WolfToTheMoon]

LOL That's a good one?? common sense? my common sense would tell me not to buy things that are not what they seem... hmmm don't know about your though.

But you admit you don't know anything about C=USA products, which leaves me wondering as to what the hell you're talking.

You said their products are worse then Dells and cheap, bad PCs with bad parts. I'm interested by which scientific procedure did you establish that - without knowing any facts which you admit openly?

[Retro_71]

But you admit you don't know anything about C=USA products, which leaves me wondering as to what the hell you're talking.

You said their products are worse then Dells and cheap, bad PCs with bad parts. I'm interested by which scientific procedure did you establish that - without knowing any facts which you admit openly?

Good point and if it wasn't 2am here i would go into detail but as it is the wife is nagging me so i am off. But like i said do enlighten my about your super high end motherboard...
otherwise answer forth coming tomorrow... :p

[Franko]

@ WolfToTheMoon

As most folk here probably know by now, I'm pretty new to this whole internet malarky but one of the odd things I find are the wahoos like yourself who whine on with made up little words like "Trolling" and then go on to do the very same thing themselves like your doing here...

Said it before and I'll say it again sheer hypocrisy... as well as being a total dunderheid... :)

[Terminills]

WTTM on a side note don't bother trying to pick a fight with me when it comes to PC's you will lose. unless you can answer me this question there was a period in time when quite a lot of motherboards for alot of manufacturers were ship with bad capacitors tell me what the time period is? If you can't don't talk to me about PC's.


98-2001 was known for that ;] but it also depends on which manufacturer you're speaking about.=]

Abit used **** caps in thier Socket A boards(typically the ones that handled the agp port). ;)

PS. this is from rough memory. ;]

[Retro_71]

Awwwwwwwwwww Franko your up dam now i got to stay even if the wife kills me....



Nop on second thought really got to sleep......... otherwise she may do nasty things while i sleep i think she said something about scissors.......

[Retro_71]

98-2001 was known for that ;] but it also depends on which manufacturer you're speaking about.=]

Abit used **** caps in thier Socket A boards(typically the ones that handled the agp port). ;)

PS. this is from rough memory. ;]

not just abit, Epox, Asus, even gigabyte all used them they didnt know about them until it was too late and it effect the Amd more then intel but intel still had its fair share.

[Franko]

@ Retro_71

Nah... you get some sleep I've been awake now for just over 48 hours and I'm still wide awake, I'll hold the fort till you get back and keep the angry hoards at bay... :)

[Retro_71]

Thanks mate lol she just stormed into the computer room... hmmm she not happy... :d

[Terminills]

can't say I ever had or built an epox machine that had a problem... Msi, gigabyte and abit yes.

Msi also voided warranties on the boards with bad caps ;]

[eliyahu]

What if Commodore USA only sold replicas (without motherboard & PSU ) of all former Commodore models. Would that be bad too? Would it be bad if one could fit their SAM / X1000 Pegasos into a r A1200 A1000 A2000 A3000 A4000 replica ?

I'm just asking out of curiosity not claiming they will do that.

I wonder where those old moulds are, recycled probably.
i seriously doubt they would do that -- given the cost involved and very limited potential return. but, if they did, yes, that would be terrific. i'd buy one. :)

i also think it would be terrific if they mentioned that the 'original,' i.e., not PC-based, amiga platform has an existing user community and that there are several other follow-ons, including OS4 and AROS. i don't expect them to do that; they don't have much incentive to do so, but, it would help calm things with the community.

i think the main objection is that commodore implies that its PCs are the follow-on to the originals; that its OS is the successor to OS4 (why else call it workbench 5); and that it is actually responsible for the 'engineering' of their products. the components come from china; the cases -- available retail -- come from china; the OS is contracted out and consists primarily of an existing linux distro, GTK and metacity themes, an icon set, wallpapers, and as many freely available software packages as they can squeeze onto a DVD. commodore USA simply integrates all this and sells it as a package. nothing wrong with that, of course; people are just bent out of shape about what they interpret as CUSA acting in a manner that isn't justified by what they actually (will) produce.

i see nothing wrong with commodore's proposed products whatsoever. in fact i think they will sell relatively well, and that's no bad thing; after all, it would be nice if the amiga brand had something remotely successful attached to it at long last. and, who knows? maybe once they start selling and their capital goes up, they'll actually create something new, something innovative.

i think both CUSA and the community have really misjudged each other. and comments made by CUSA principals in the beginning didn't help. i think they would admit that.

:griping:

perhaps the best solution would be for CUSA to acknowledge the past fifteen years of work since the demise of the original commodore, intl., and not imply that they are the first to 'resurrect' the amiga brand since then. and also for their employees to not take the bait on amiga fora. it just fans the flames. let their products speak for themselves, and when they ship, then we can all put our 'two cents' in on whether they are any good or not.

-- eliyahu

[WolfToTheMoon]

i seriously doubt they would do that -- given the cost involved and very limited potential return. but, if they did, yes, that would be terrific. i'd buy one.

Sell only cases? they had it in their plans. Mind you, if you want it, chime in on Commodore-Amiga.org and suggest it or ask them what are their plans with that. There is also some talk of a possibility of a translucent C64x case that got started today, so if you would like to see that, again... you're welcomed on the forum.


i would think the best solution would be for CUSA to acknowledge the past fifteen years of work since the demise of the original commodore, intl., and not imply that they are the first to 'resurrect' the amiga brand since then. and also for their employees to not take the bait on amiga fora.

I agree that... In a private message when Leo asked me about the naming of the OS I sincerely wrote that the number 5 would probably annoy many in the community. But then again, if they would to number it 4(or 6, 7..), again there would be displeased people. I even suggested CAOS on the C-A.org forums, but it wasn't received well :)... In fact, I think the best thing would be to name it WB X - but then, I'm sure there will be some people complaining about that too... You simply cannot cater to all tastes and you have to live with that.

[Daedalus]

Be careful what you say over on commodore-amiga.org though, by the looks of things if you're not a die-hard worshipper of the Commodore-USA machines you're likely to have your posts removed ;)

[Terminills]

Be careful what you say over on commodore-amiga.org though, by the looks of things if you're not a die-hard worshipper of the Commodore-USA machines you're likely to have your posts removed ;)


I cannot comment on the posts you're speaking about since I didn't see them but that really isn't my policy. ;]

[WolfToTheMoon]

Be careful what you say over on commodore-amiga.org though, by the looks of things if you're not a die-hard worshipper of the Commodore-USA machines you're likely to have your posts removed ;)

Hmm... I'm not aware that anything like that happened. Since I'm one of the mods there, I can assure you that I will not silence criticism. Mind you, I said criticism, not trolling.

[Franko]

Hmm... I'm not aware that anything like that happened. Since I'm one of the mods there, I can assure you that I will not silence criticism. Mind you, I said criticism, not trolling.

Better start by silencing your trolling here then eh... ;)

[Daedalus]

not just abit, Epox, Asus, even gigabyte all used them they didnt know about them until it was too late and it effect the Amd more then intel but intel still had its fair share.

Yeah, I remember a few years back when all this was coming to light, I had been trying to fix a few Dells which were shutting down suddenly the odd time and recovering with a "thermal event" in the logs. Naturally I checked the CPU temperatures and all that, all good, changed a couple of PSUs before eventually finding out that all the motherboards they have in a certain line and timeframe have bad capacitors.

IIRC it was down to some sort of industrial spying, where one capacitor manufacturer stole the designs of a new capacitor from a competitor and put it into production without seeing if the design was actually finished and validated or not. Crazy!

[Daedalus]

Hmm... I'm not aware that anything like that happened. Since I'm one of the mods there, I can assure you that I will not silence criticism. Mind you, I said criticism, not trolling.

It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek given the reports of the Facebook and Youtube happenings, but I wouldn't put it past them. Besides, if you head over there and see some of the weird worshippy posts that are popping up, it looks like they're either planted there, or the normal balance of positive/negative posting normally found on any forum has been "adjusted"...

There you go Franko, head over there and have your say. Once it's critical and not trolling, it should stand. You have it here from one of the mods!

[WolfToTheMoon]

It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek given the reports of the Facebook and Youtube happenings, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Those were rightfully removed trolling comments which any respectable and sane person/business would remove so you cannot really blame them(C=USA) for anything.

Besides, if you head over there and see some of the weird worshippy posts that are popping up, it looks like they're either planted there, or the normal balance of positive/negative posting normally found on any forum has been "adjusted"...It comes with the territory (worshipers):)

BTW, C-A.org is not run by C=USA an none of the C=USA staff are mods there.

[Franko]

The guy who installed my first mac last summer told me about this capacitor saga, seems someone stole the formula form one of the big companies and then made a mistake when he copied it and sold it on to another big company and the end result was thousand of faulty Apple & PC MBs cause the the company who bought the stolen formula didn't check it... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

[Franko]

Those were rightfully removed trolling comments which any respectable and sane person/business would remove so you cannot really blame them(C=USA) for anything.

It comes with the territory (worshipers):)

BTW, C-A.org is not run by C=USA an none of the C=USA staff are mods there.

Another blatant lie from a CUSA fanboy. If my comments and those of all the other were "trolling" go ahead and place them here for everyone to judge for themselves...

You can't can you cos the idiot's at CUSA were deleting them as fast as they could and most likely not copying them first as proof of "trolling" as you call it...

Why don't you go back to your other site and do some more of your own sickening worshipping there I'm sure CUSA must love having creeps like you on there bandwagon... :)

[WolfToTheMoon]

Franko, my discussion with you is over and concluded. I do not wish to be drawn into your endless circle of hate, trolling and flaming.

As of now you are "Ignored"(Ignore list).

[Franko]

Franko, my discussion with you is over and concluded. I do not wish to be drawn into your endless circle of hate, trolling and flaming.

As of now you are "Ignored".

Whoop-tee-doo, you claimed that earlier in this thread but here you are once again telling more porky pies... :lol:

At least now you've proven you can't handle the same crap that you like to defend in regard to CUSA and put me on your ignore list, it just proves my earlier point about your mental age... :)

But as you won't be reading this then who cares... ta, ta, Fanboy :)

[tone007]

Whoop-tee-doo, you claimed that earlier in this thread but here you are once again telling more porky pies... :lol:

At least now you've proven you can't handle the same crap that you like to defend in regard to CUSA and put me on your ignore list, it just proves my earlier point about your mental age... :)

But as you won't be reading this then who cares... ta, ta, Fanboy :)

;)

[Daedalus]

Those were rightfully removed trolling comments which any respectable and sane person/business would remove so you cannot really blame them(C=USA) for anything.

It comes with the territory (worshipers):)

BTW, C-A.org is not run by C=USA an none of the C=USA staff are mods there.

Hmmm... Whether that's true or not remains to be seen. I'd be astonished if C-USA didn't have at least some involvement in the creation and running of the site. Regardless, with the scary type of fanbois that seem to have populated it so far - without even having used the product - it's not the balanced type of place I'd be inclined to spend my time.


it will be hard to wait the months needed for C=USA to be ready to start the new chapter in the Amiga saga.


it will be very hard to wait in deed.

The last two posts from the end of the first thread I clicked on. That's not the kind of zealot we have in the Amiga fora, that's a mod who appears to be oblivious to anything that has happened since Gateway owned the Amiga, and another poster, finding it very hard to wait for a Linux distro in a custom case. I'm sorry, I just think that they're getting a little bit too excited about something very generic, and people like that I find tend to be very limited in their capacity for reasonable conversation.

[Daedalus]

@tone007

You just made me laugh out loud in my office here :D

[WolfToTheMoon]

Regardless, with the scary type of fanbois that seem to have populated it so far - without even having used the product - it's not the balanced type of place I'd be inclined to spend my time.



The last two posts from the end of the first thread I clicked on. That's not the kind of zealot we have in the Amiga fora, that's a mod who appears to be oblivious to anything that has happened since Gateway owned the Amiga, and another poster, finding it very hard to wait for a Linux distro in a custom case. I'm sorry, I just think that they're getting a little bit too excited about something very generic, and people like that I find tend to be very limited in their capacity for reasonable conversation.

Well, people are happy because somebody has decided to take the commodore/amiga brand in a direction they agree on. I can't fault them for that and they are free to say whatever they want and feel however they like as long as they're not braking any rules.
I'm sure there'll be a more serious discussion(in a sense, more real-world oriented to suggestions/problems/tutorials and like that) once the products start shipping and we have a go at them.

[Terminills]

Hmmm... Whether that's true or not remains to be seen. I'd be astonished if C-USA didn't have at least some involvement in the creation and running of the site.

Well be prepared to be astonished then. ;)




The last two posts from the end of the first thread I clicked on. That's not the kind of zealot we have in the Amiga fora, that's a mod who appears to be oblivious to anything that has happened since Gateway owned the Amiga, and another poster, finding it very hard to wait for a Linux distro in a custom case. I'm sorry, I just think that they're getting a little bit too excited about something very generic, and people like that I find tend to be very limited in their capacity for reasonable conversation.


I'm pretty sure Dammy knows exactly what has happened since GW. You might not agree with him or his views but as far as him being oblivious to what has happened. I doubt it.

[Daedalus]

@Terminills

Interesting... So they had nothing to do with the setting up of the site, appointing mods, forum charter etc? I am astonished! :p

As for Dammy, yes I'm sure he is well aware of the actual Amiga-compatible machines and OSs since Gateway, which is why I said "appears to be" instead of "is". My agreeing or disagreeing is different, his views seem to omit something like a decade of (admittedly slow) development, and my view is they should be at least acknowledged by a forum mod in the name of completeness and balance.

[JJ]

The guy who installed my first mac last summer told me about this capacitor saga, seems someone stole the formula form one of the big companies and then made a mistake when he copied it and sold it on to another big company and the end result was thousand of faulty Apple & PC MBs cause the the company who bought the stolen formula didn't check it... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

In the case of Dell Optiplex GX270s often a "Thermal Event" is displayed in white on a black screen when rebooting.

I remember loads of GX270s failing in work and dell having to replace them all.

[tone007]

@tone007

You just made me laugh out loud in my office here :D

Nobody puts Franko in the corner.

</Swayze>

[dammy]

@TerminillsAs for Dammy, yes I'm sure he is well aware of the actual Amiga-compatible machines and OSs since Gateway, which is why I said "appears to be" instead of "is". My agreeing or disagreeing is different, his views seem to omit something like a decade of (admittedly slow) development, and my view is they should be at least acknowledged by a forum mod in the name of completeness and balance.

MOS/AROS/OS4 are all built on the ancient 3.1 API and can hardly be considered "Next Generation." The last true attempt at a next generation OS was with QSSL's Neutrino kernel (and thanks to Fleecy, that fell apart) and then Linux kernel. This is the first hope in 10 years of dragging Amiga back into the modern world is now rests with C=USA.

[runequester]

MOS/AROS/OS4 are all built on the ancient 3.1 API and can hardly be considered "Next Generation." The last true attempt at a next generation OS was with QSSL's Neutrino kernel (and thanks to Fleecy, that fell apart) and then Linux kernel. This is the first hope in 10 years of dragging Amiga back into the modern world is now rests with C=USA.

If this is the hope of amiga, why not just buy a boing ball keyboard and mouse from amigakit, erase the stickers your PC came with, and install Arch linux or something, with the existing amiga-like window manager that's out there ?

[dammy]

If this is the hope of amiga, why not just buy a boing ball keyboard and mouse from amigakit, erase the stickers your PC came with, and install Arch linux or something, with the existing amiga-like window manager that's out there ?

I'm not sure how you can say that when the details, let alone the actual OS, for the Amiga series has yet to have been talked about?

[tone007]

I can't imagine how anyone would believe this flock of clownshoes can put together a viable operating system.

Well, maybe other clownshoes...

[commodorejohn]

I'm not sure how you can say that when the details, let alone the actual OS, for the Amiga series has yet to have been talked about?
We know from the C-USA site that the initial OS will be a Linux distro skinned to look like Workbench. While there are vague statements about eventually moving to a "custom OS," they have yet to provide even any kind of indication of the nature of such a project, let alone what features it would provide, and MoonthetoWolf, the devotee's devotee of C-USA, seems to think they're going to "turn Linux into a custom OS," however that would work. Unless that's all wrong and they're actually inventing some kind of new Amiga-inspired OS, runequester is pretty much dead-on in his criticism.

[tone007]

Clownshoe 3, report!

[WolfToTheMoon]

Unless that's all wrong and they're actually inventing some kind of new Amiga-inspired OS, runequester is pretty much dead-on in his criticism.

There is so many AmigaOS related and inspired OSes out there(and, interestingly, every single one failed to attract a bigger crowd) that I wouldn't mind seeing something new tried.

Obviously, a lot of the this community wants to see something that is directly related to the original OS. However, that will never happen because the original was outdated in the 90s, let alone almost 20 years later. In my mind, the closest to a modern AmigaOS reimplementation is Syllable, not so much by it's core features, as by it's looks, responsiveness, small size and low resources needed to run it. And it's free and open source, so you can enjoy it however you like.

[tone007]

Thank you, Clownshoe 3.

[commodorejohn]

There is so many AmigaOS related and inspired OSes out there(and, interestingly, every single one failed to attract a bigger crowd) that I wouldn't mind seeing something new tried.
Neither would I, but the question wasn't "are we opposed to it," the question was "what is C-USA actually doing or planning to do?"

[dammy]

I can't imagine how anyone would believe this flock of clownshoes can put together a viable operating system.

Well, maybe other clownshoes...

Enjoy your 3.1 API based Os then and be happy. I'm not sure what the fuss is if your not remotely interested in what C=USA is planning and pushing towards execution phase.

[tone007]

I plan to take a dump later today. This is more than C=USA will accomplish towards creating their own OS.

[dammy]

Neither would I, but the question wasn't "are we opposed to it," the question was "what is C-USA actually doing or planning to do?"

That is something we all are going to have to wait on C=USA to do. I'd give it 60 or so days for them to get things to a point where they can start with the official announcements. It would certainly be nice if it's sooner, but 60 days is a reasonable time period for them.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I plan to take a dump later today. This is more than C=USA will accomplish towards creating their own OS.

you're already "dumping" here... :roflmao:

[dammy]

I plan to take a dump later today. This is more than C=USA will accomplish towards creating their own OS.

If that's fits your lofty dreams and goals, more power to you.

[tone007]

Figured I'd join your party, epic-dumpers.

[WolfToTheMoon]

Figured I'd join your party, epic-dumpers.

yet another infantile troller... GOTO Ingore :)

[tone007]

Exactly what I was hoping for, now I can launch insults without fail retorts! You're such a puppet.

[runequester]

I'm not sure how you can say that when the details, let alone the actual OS, for the Amiga series has yet to have been talked about?

The odds of someone out of the left field developing a brand new OS in this day and age are basically zero, particularly with no corporate support whatsoever.

What we are going to get is linux with some stuff added. Thats great, Im a linux fan.
Will it warrant the pricetag for something I can do myself ?

[WolfToTheMoon]

Will it warrant the pricetag for something I can do myself ?

well, that remains to be seen... :)

The odds of someone out of the left field developing a brand new OS in this day and age are basically zero, particularly with no corporate support whatsoever.Exactly... If Google, Nokia and Intel think that Linux makes a fine base, than I do not see a reason to reinvent hot watter.

[Daedalus]

I'm not sure how you can say that when the details, let alone the actual OS, for the Amiga series has yet to have been talked about?

Hmm, I thought it had been talked about. It's Linux for the moment. I already have a Linux box. It's nice, I could make it look like an Amiga with some stickers and a windows skin, but I don't wanna do that. It's Linux, it runs Linux software (and to a lesser extent, some Windows software). My Amiga looks like an Amiga, has an Amiga-ish system partition layout, and can run Amiga software. My Linux box could do that too via UAE, but what's the point when there's an actual Amiga beside it.

Fair enough, the OS is outdated, but it's still under development and still commercially available. That means it's not dead. And that means it can't be resurrected. It's selling in small numbers to a hobby market who appreciate it for what it is. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think it would've been an interesting product were it not for the fact that C-USA are trying to hawk it off as the successor to AmigaOS. Name it something else, Haiku managed to rename their OS (different too because their OS is actually compatible with the OS they're trying to modernise), why couldn't C-USA come up with a single original detail?

[dammy]

The odds of someone out of the left field developing a brand new OS in this day and age are basically zero, particularly with no corporate support whatsoever.

What we are going to get is linux with some stuff added. Thats great, Im a linux fan.
Will it warrant the pricetag for something I can do myself ?

Let me put it to you this way. I, personally, am not going to buy a C64x with WB5. My FC14 boxes work just fine. Now the C=USA Amigas, OTOH, have my significant interest, especially the OS.

[number6]

well, that remains to be seen... :)

Exactly... If Google, Nokia and Intel think that Linux makes a fine base, than I do not see a reason to reinvent hot watter.


Since we do know a little bit more (release/shipping) about the intent of the Commodore North America licensee, I'd still be curious to know about any co-ordinated effort, which we've previously speculated quite recently.
I see Dammy just threw out a number of days regarding C=USA that exceeds the release date posted by the Commodore North America COO.
Is that an indication that there is no co-ordinated release discussion underway, or do I read too much into that?
I realize this question might be more suited for Asiarim, but unless I've missed something I don't see any public activity coming from Ben, beyond the press releases.

#6

[jorkany]

Trouble is every time anyone comments on their FaceBook page that they don't like the buggers delete or remove it, seems CUSA can't handle any sort of criticism or the truth being told that the machines they are building are nothing more than expensive PCs running a C64 or Amiga emulator.


So Franko, how do you feel about Hyperion disabling commenting on their site - a site by the way where comments were also removed by admins?

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=192

[WolfToTheMoon]

Since we do know a little bit more (release/shipping) about the intent of the Commodore North America licensee, I'd still be curious to know about any co-ordinated effort, which we've previously speculated quite recently.
I see Dammy just threw out a number of days regarding C=USA that exceeds the release date posted by the Commodore North America COO.
Is that an indication that there is no co-ordinated release discussion underway, or do I read too much into that?
I realize this question might be more suited for Asiarim, but unless I've missed something I don't see any public activity coming from Ben, beyond the press releases.

#6

I don't know anything about coordinated effort between ASIARIM and C=USA... Your speculation is as good as mine:). To me it sounded like more then a coincidence when ASIARIM announced a date broadly similar to what C=USA predicted for their C-64x release. It would make perfect sense for them to cooperate on that, since C-64x will give significant exposure for the Commodore brand(which is owned by ASIARIM), but as we all know, common sense is a commodity not easily found today.

[Borut]

a.) I have no sorry for people in this forum which will buy CUSA products because they should know what they do. If they want spend more money for something like that what they can already have if they spend some hours configuring existing HW and SW they should do so.
b.) I´am sorry for the people which are not so well informed and will buy because of the name and (not yet good) marketing such a system to find out that this has not much to do with an Amiga system - not classic not NG no derivative but just emulation with yet another linux or windows.
c.) This helps Amiga in no way - not the classic and not the NG or derivatives. But yes it helps them making out of them some quick bucks with mostly work of others. Oh yes and also Amiga earns something - "Amiga Inc." the synonime for trying earning from others work and failing with that - yes that´s really great. So the story continues - and yes also Commodore is also a good name because they also wanted to develope the Amiga as low as possible - and another analogy is also the bad marketing.

Still anybody out there who learns from history?

[tone007]

Yup, just another band of failmonkeys thinking, "Hey, this could be a real moneymaker!"

At least the previous failmonkeys were trying to play off of momentum. This is "lets take this name that's been dead for 15 years and try to make money." The only possibly worthwhile item is the C64-cased machine for the novelty of it, provided it actually gets produced and the cost isn't ridiculous. There will be no revolution based on this jackassery.

[jorkany]

Yup, just another band of failmonkeys thinking, "Hey, this could be a real moneymaker!"

At least the previous failmonkeys were trying to play off of momentum. This is "lets take this name that's been dead for 15 years and try to make money." The only possibly worthwhile item is the C64-cased machine for the novelty of it, provided it actually gets produced and the cost isn't ridiculous. There will be no revolution based on this jackassery.
I'm beginning to get the feeling you're against CUSA's plans.

[Terminills]

Yup, just another band of failmonkeys thinking, "Hey, this could be a real moneymaker!"

At least the previous failmonkeys were trying to play off of momentum. This is "lets take this name that's been dead for 15 years and try to make money." The only possibly worthwhile item is the C64-cased machine for the novelty of it, provided it actually gets produced and the cost isn't ridiculous. There will be no revolution based on this jackassery.



http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/184060


=P

[tone007]

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/184060


Darn, that site appears to be down.

[Terminills]

Darn, that site appears to be down.

Must be a mental block, ;)

[tone007]

Oh, there it is. Look, someone else said momentum!

[Terminills]

Oh, there it is. Look, someone else said momentum!

Actually I think Jorkany had the best post in that thread. ;)

[Franko]

So Franko, how do you feel about Hyperion disabling commenting on their site - a site by the way where comments were also removed by admins?

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=192

Only ever bought one product from Hyperion (OS4.0 Classic) which after a few months and only one update and the shysters abandoned all support for and registration code they gave after you registered the software no longer worked on their site after this one solitary update... ;(

So the only thing I can say about Hyperion from experience is they're just another "take the money and run" company that I wouldn't give the time of day to ever again... :(

On the other hand if they did as you say then I hope if you weren't happy with it you let everyone know via places like the forums, that's one of the problems with consumers today they're not willing to stand up to the way certain companies treat their customers, why... I don't know, but I sometimes think some folk are too scared to say what they really feel in case they upset others who don't have the same opinion.

In the end when companies are allowed to get away with things like this and you don't make it known that you're not happy with them (for whatever reason) then companies will just take advantage of that fact and just continue with their "couldn't care less" attitude, which at the end of the day doesn't hurt or bother them it only hurts the disillusioned consumer.

Too many namby pamby politically correct numpties around these days that bugger it up for everyone else with their lilly livered "don't rock the boat" attitudes... :rolleyes:

If it were up to me I'd have them all ruddy well shot... :)

[tone007]

Actually I think Jorkany had the best post in that thread. ;)

Right, there is no more momentum. It went away in the 90s. Like I said, the current failures don't have it to ride on.

Thanks for that, whatever that was.

[Franko]

Seems like some of the other guys CUSA peed off on FaceBook have just launched there own page now, not quite the title I would have chosen but at least it gives folk who CUSA censor on FaceBook the chance to respond... :)

Stop Raping Commodore Amiga (CUSA Commodore-USA) (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Rping-Commodore-Amiga-CUSA-Commodore-USA/128459627221419?v=info)

[haywirepc]

What a joke. CUSA keeps stepping in it too every time they try to defend themselves they make things worse. Come on big ben, Defend your company, or get someone to answer for the ridiculous **** you've been spewing.

Steven

[Arkhan]

I don't like trolling... set up your own page/forum and write whatever you want. Or alternatively, add something constructive to the discussion. If you think other people will allow your pointless driveling and trolling on their sites, you got it very wrong.

You say trolling too much.

Also, it aint trolling if its truth.

Its... uh

truthling, YEAH.

I also didn't read the whole thread cause 12 pages is alot of TL;DR

all I can say is.

**** YEAH, FRANKO IS BACK.

[Franko]

Awe... that's nice, did ye miss me big yin ;)

[AmigaEd]

Awe... that's nice, did ye miss me big yin ;)

I sure missed you Franko, it got pretty boring around here.

Doomy helped out for awhile until he got banned again, but he wasn't even 1% as entertaining as you are.

Glad to see you back! Cheers!:)

[spihunter]

That page is not going to get a lot of "likes" with rape in the title. I don't want my family and friends seeing me like anything with a title like that.

Maybe something a little more subtle like "CommodoreUSA sucks" would have been better?.

I know you didn't create it. I'm just talking out loud here! ;)


Seems like some of the other guys CUSA peed off on FaceBook have just launched there own page now, not quite the title I would have chosen but at least it gives folk who CUSA censor on FaceBook the chance to respond... :)

Stop Raping Commodore Amiga (CUSA Commodore-USA) (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Rping-Commodore-Amiga-CUSA-Commodore-USA/128459627221419?v=info)

[Franko]

That page is not going to get a lot of "likes" with rape in the title. I don't want my family and friends seeing me like anything with a title like that.

Maybe something a little more subtle like "CommodoreUSA sucks" would have been better?.

I know you didn't create it. I'm just talking out loud here! ;)

Gotta agree with you one that, not a very good title, not sure how to contact whoever created it and ask them to change it though... :)

[Franko]

I sure missed you Franko, it got pretty boring around here.

Doomy helped out for awhile until he got banned again, but he wasn't even 1% as entertaining as you are.

Glad to see you back! Cheers!:)

Eeek... my hero Doomy was here... when... bugger I missed that... :(

I'd have loved to have chatted with him to find out for myself what the legend is really all about... :)

It's actually nice to be back Ed... Cheers... :)

@ The Mods

Please Bring back Doomy I've been following the history of this guy since I found out about him on here and reckon he's quite a character... even if a little misunderstood... :)

Drat... Reckon this'll have to do for now... ;)
Cml_YsTznRU

[Plaz]

Though this has been an amusing thread, I'm begining to feel like Paul Atreides with my hand in the burning box and the poison at my neck... "THE PAIN !!!!" :)

Could we have some calm at least until something actually ships? If CSUA is on the right track, good for them. If they're overplaying their hand, just another interesting chapter in Saga Amiga.

Plaz

[Retro_71]

Eeek... my hero Doomy was here... when... bugger I missed that... :(

I'd have loved to have chatted with him to find out for myself what the legend is really all about... :)

It's actually nice to be back Ed... Cheers... :)

@ The Mods

Please Bring back Doomy I've been following the history of this guy since I found out about him on here and reckon he's quite a character... even if a little misunderstood... :)

Drat... Reckon this'll have to do for now... ;)
Cml_YsTznRU


Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Glad your back mate.... and heck yeah i missed you... :D

[EDanaII]

What was it you loved about the C64? Or the Amiga? Because if it's any more than the C64's case, or the label on the Amiga then you're not actually bringing something you love back. You're not bringing back the elegance or simplicity of the OS. You're not bringing back the innovation.

I'm all for a new machine in the style of the old Commodores and Amigas, I think it's a great idea. But what you're doing here, and what I suspect is riling people up against you, is the fact that you're selling machines, claiming them to be the successor to the Amiga and Commodore lines. If you called them something else and made it more obvious that they're not the natural progression from the old OS and the old machines then I'm sure most people here would've been quite happy. Hell, you might have even got a few more sales out of sites like this one. But implying that they are the next generation of Amigas, trying to make them look like they're the next generation of AmigaOS and so on is preying on people who aren't as informed as you try to make out. Of course they'll see "Atom" on the label beside it, and might find a more accurate description after following some links from your Facebook page, but that won't mean much to the average user. They won't realise that hidden in the background is the actual successor to the Amiga in the shape of AmigaOS, and the likes of MorphOS and AROS (which actually *are* something to do with Amiga), and which, despite your best efforts at informing the world, aren't dead and are happily progressing in their own small niche market.

Think about it. If you tried pushing your Amiga-looking Linux distro on PCs in custom cases and calling it let's say "MagnumOS", while telling everyone it's inspired by Amiga and has an integrated Amiga emulator, you wouldn't be treading on people's feelings here, and might have got a number of sales from dedicated Amiga users. The outside world wouldn't notice the difference either way - Workbench sounds a but naff, a new and more memorable name would probably be a better idea anyway.

Personally, I think this best sums the situation up for me. I've certainly suggested similar to Leo elsewhere. I also suspect it's not a case of whether or not he gets it; he's got a product to sell. But what he doesn't seem to be getting is that he is making _exactly the same mistake_ that McEwen Inc made with this community.

To be clear, in the beginning, McEwen Inc. was able to win hearts and minds with a little community outreach: OS 3.5 and 3.9. Unfortunately, McEwen failed considerably after that, thinking that as long as he claimed he was Amiga we'd all fall in line for the DE.

Problem is, Leo and Co. seem to think that (without any outreach whatsoever) everyone is gonna fall in line just because they own the name.

If only life were that simple...

[tone007]

If only life were that simple...

It isn't, but they are!

[Buzzfuzz]

Well after digging trough 11 pages, I can see what all the fuzz is about :)
Seriously?! :lol:

Comeon, CUSA is not even worthy to carry the name Commodore or Amiga for that matter.
If they really want to bring back the Amiga and C64, they have to be hardcore mot********* machines in Minimig style with a ******** of cpu power and then with Workbench 5.0 looking like a Magic WB but with the power to run modern pc software.

Only then they would be worthy to carry the names Commodore and Amiga, but that is just too hard for them to make and develop.
So CUSA, the challenge; A true Amiga OS running modern day pc software.
Think of how the Amiga 1000 ran DOS at it's presentation!

[fishy_fiz]

Please no-one stone me for this opinion, but...... ;)

I kind of find myself torn here.

Dont get me wrong, I love the classic amigas, and have been fairly involved in aros for a number of years, like both os4.x and mos (although my exposure to them has been limited), and so on, but to me it seems they'll always be more or less community driven projects, with maybe a dozen or so regularly active core os developers between the 3 "NG" systems and limited budgets. Personally once I become content in that knowledge I've found I enjoy them more, and appreciate them more for it, we should as a community be pretty poud of what we've achieved with not only little help, but a lot of hindrence. They'll always be my favorite systems (particularly the classics, but that's just me), and I'll always follow them.

That said though, I actually see potential for an interesting "different" system here. Maybe not something to succeed what I deem an "amiga", but possibly something that's still a pleasure to use, and redeems problems that I have with the currently avilable mainstream systems. Now I know a lot of people here might instantly think, "oh, but I'd rather just use my amiga", and sure, so would I, but as much as I wish otherwise, it's going to take longer for a community driven projects (ie. amiga based oses) to get to a point where we can play in the modern world without missing things than it a company with money to pay full time developers. (this is hypothetical of course)

While apparently going to be based on the linux kernel, that shouldnt really influence the user experience much, and now probably isnt a bad time to start an developing an OS with a more or less clean slate. While "modern" OSes are able to utilize modern technogilies, there's never been one to take advantages of things like gpgpu use from a low level within the os itself. Ironically something akin to classic amigas. With these newer technologies maturing, now mightnt be a bad time for someone inclined to develop something "fresh".
I'm not a big fan of some of C-USA actions thus far, but if they were able to deliver something interesting, with some amiga-isms (easy to customise and know/customise your sysem inside out, datatype (a potentially powerful idea that never really got extended much to embrace the modern computing world besides for mos), some good creative software, easy to communicate between different programs, super responsive, screen dragging/screens, and so on) I could be interested in having a look. Given good use and consideration of the hardware from the grounds up could make even an intel atom a super rsponsive, nice system for example. Include a wine, and something akin to janus uae for aros, and it's suddenly quite interesting.

Anyway, I know there's a lot of what ifs, etc in there, and a lot of development (and more than a few fulltime coders), but tackled properly and with an interesting product beyond the casing and who knows, maybe something will come of it that doesnt disappoint me. Going by the actions so far of C-USA it seems very unlikely that this best case scenario will happen, but no harm in dreaming :) Despite what some people say the amiga name still has some pull to it. Apart from the small number of us that stuck around most people who had any exposure to it will more likely to think, "oh cool, these things where great in thier day" and expect then to be impressive systems..... which I suppose is actually part of the grudge people have with them.

Anyway, all that said, I still mostly dont care too much, I'll leave them (C-USA) to thier own devices and enjoy what I've always enjoyed for now, while keeping an occasional eye on this OS theyre developing.

Thanks for listeing to me ramble :)

[Franko]

That page is not going to get a lot of "likes" with rape in the title. I don't want my family and friends seeing me like anything with a title like that.

Maybe something a little more subtle like "CommodoreUSA sucks" would have been better?.

I know you didn't create it. I'm just talking out loud here! ;)

Seems like whomever is running that page has listened and gave it a slightly better title now... :)

CUSA, stop slapping the "Commodore Amiga" name on PC's (http://www.facebook.com/pages/CUSA-stop-slapping-the-Commodore-Amiga-name-on-PCs/128459627221419)

Even had it's first CUSA fanboy trying to provoke a reaction... :lol:
Just having a nice wee chat with him right now... ;)

[Manu]

Seems like whomever is running that page has listened and gave it a slightly better title now... :)

CUSA, stop slapping the "Commodore Amiga" name on PC's (http://www.facebook.com/pages/CUSA-stop-slapping-the-Commodore-Amiga-name-on-PCs/128459627221419)

Even had it's first CUSA fanboy trying to provoke a reaction... :lol:
Just having a nice wee chat with him right now... ;)

I've seen Opi's posts since 2005 and I know he's not a fanboy, and most certainly not any CUSA fanboy.

[dammy]

I've seen Opi's posts since 2005 and I know he's not a fanboy, and most certainly not any CUSA fanboy.

I'm wondering who Franko really is. I have a lot of doubt that he "just discovered" the internet some time in 2010. He posts like a seasoned internet user, and when I pointed out in his sig block a hyper link to some page he created for someone only to be online for the last six months, he then deleted that hyper link. Something doesn't jive up.

[Franko]

I've seen Opi's posts since 2005 and I know he's not a fanboy, and most certainly not any CUSA fanboy.

Ive seen them since just after 5 tonight and he seems to be a bit of a tosser... :)

[Franko]

I'm wondering who Franko really is. I have a lot of doubt that he "just discovered" the internet some time in 2010. He posts like a seasoned internet user, and when I pointed out in his sig block a hyper link to some page he created for someone only to be online for the last six months, he then deleted that hyper link. Something doesn't jive up.

Wonder away... :)

[Manu]

All you can accuse Opi of ( In general I mean, IMHO and all that) is that he's quite frank. He doesn't beat around the bush much.

[Franko]

All you can accuse Opi of ( In general I mean, IMHO and all that) is that he's quite frank. He doesn't beat around the bush much.

After reading his posts on that page I can safely say the guys a tosser IMHO... :)

[Franko]

Ding... Ding... end of round one... back to your corners.... :)

Round one in the CUSA FaceBook saga goes to the blue corner starring all us so called "Trolls" worldwide... :)

CUSA have now removed their so called "Discussion" page on FaceBook, guess they didn't have the time to keep deleting posts and trying to scour the net for images to nick at the same time... :lol:

[Argo]

Nooooooooooooo!

[Franko]

Nooooooooooooo!

YEEEEEEEEESSSSS, YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS, Indeedy... ;)

[Retro_71]

You know i am so tempted to open a face book account just to follow all of this.
Since I hate facebook (Thank god I am the system admin at work.. since that is one of the site I have blocked.. :D now if only i can block it at home without the wife killing me.... :lol:) just looking at that link was enough...

Although if Franko goes for more then 2 rounds i think that i may just have to bite the bullet and make a facebook account... :(

[Franko]

Although if Franko goes for more then 2 rounds i think that i may just have to bite the bullet and make a facebook account... :(

Gawds sake man... dinnay dae rat... :eek:

In all seriousness though, FaceBook is almost as big a load of keech as CUSA, I only joined it after years of my sister in America telling me to get on the net and join FaceBook so we could chat more easily...

Think I've used it about six times since being on the net, it's even worse than talking to some toffee nosed **** in London when I try to call downing street to ask why my bins haven't been emptied again this week... :)

Don't do it man or you'll end up a gibbering loony like me... :insane:

[commodorejohn]

In all seriousness though, FaceBook is almost as big a load of keech as CUSA, I only joined it after years of my sister in America telling me to get on the net and join FaceBook so we could chat more easily...
Have you considered telling her that there are any number of dedicated instant-messenger programs available that don't "accidentally" set all your personal information available for public viewing every now and again? ;P

[Plaz]

You know i am so tempted to open a face book account just to follow all of this.

No interest there for me, I'll just have to go with the blow-by-blow here. That or I'll have to wait for the DVD version to come out. :)

Plaz

[Plaz]

I'm wondering who Franko really is. I have a lot of doubt that he "just discovered" the internet some time in 2010. He posts like a seasoned internet user, and when I pointed out in his sig block a hyper link to some page he created for someone only to be online for the last six months, he then deleted that hyper link. Something doesn't jive up.

I can say the same about a couple of other new folks around here. And why aren't we?

Plaz

[Tension]

Thank god I am the system admin at work.. since that is one of the site I have blocked.. :D

Mate you sound like a BOFH :lol:

[Franko]

Mate you sound like a BOFH :lol:

Crap another one of those thingy-wotsits, what's BOFH mean I get fed up having to google those ruddy things... :(

[TheBilgeRat]

Crap another one of those thingy-wotsits, what's BOFH mean I get fed up having to google those ruddy things... :(

OK if you don't know what a Bastard Operator From Hell is, I believe you when you say you are new to the interwebs :lol:

[Franko]

OK if you don't know what a Bastard Operator From Hell is, I believe you when you say you are new to the interwebs :lol:

Oooh you swore... :sealed:

Thanks for that I hate ruddy googling them things, spoils me trolling time so it does... :)

(PS: that's one of the things I don't understand about the net, why not use the words instead of all the capital letters, do google make money of this and it's all just another big scam...:))

[TheBilgeRat]

Oooh you swore... :sealed:

Thanks for that I hate ruddy googling them things, spoils me trolling time so it does... :)

Well, you just made all the royalty born to commoners feel self conscious about themselves, you did :D

[Franko]

Well, you just made all the royalty born to commoners feel self conscious about themselves, you did :D

There royalty in my family you know... one of me uncles was a bit of a queen... :)

[DAX]

I believe Deadalus will forgive me if I take his very own words and repeat them here:

"What was it you loved about the C64? Or the Amiga? Because if it's any more than the C64's case, or the label on the Amiga then you're not actually bringing something you love back. You're not bringing back the elegance or simplicity of the OS. You're not bringing back the innovation.

I'm all for a new machine in the style of the old Commodores and Amigas, I think it's a great idea. But what you're doing here, and what I suspect is riling people up against you, is the fact that you're selling machines, claiming them to be the successor to the Amiga and Commodore lines. If you called them something else and made it more obvious that they're not the natural progression from the old OS and the old machines then I'm sure most people here would've been quite happy. Hell, you might have even got a few more sales out of sites like this one. But implying that they are the next generation of Amigas, trying to make them look like they're the next generation of AmigaOS and so on is preying on people who aren't as informed as you try to make out. Of course they'll see "Atom" on the label beside it, and might find a more accurate description after following some links from your Facebook page, but that won't mean much to the average user. They won't realise that hidden in the background is the actual successor to the Amiga in the shape of AmigaOS, and the likes of MorphOS and AROS (which actually *are* something to do with Amiga), and which, despite your best efforts at informing the world, aren't dead and are happily progressing in their own small niche market.

Think about it. If you tried pushing your Amiga-looking Linux distro on PCs in custom cases and calling it let's say "MagnumOS", while telling everyone it's inspired by Amiga and has an integrated Amiga emulator, you wouldn't be treading on people's feelings here, and might have got a number of sales from dedicated Amiga users. The outside world wouldn't notice the difference either way "

Trying to milk the cow by fooling unsuspecting ex-amigans into thinking Amiga is back thanks to plastic clones hosting PC/Linux stuff that's been already available to them for years, it's just too much.
Call it something else and stop the silly masquerade.

[TCMSLP]

If amiga.org had a 'like' button I'd have clicked on it for the above comment from Deadalus. This sums up my feelings 100%.

[Tension]

Oooh you swore... :sealed:

Thanks for that I hate ruddy googling them things, spoils me trolling time so it does... :)

(PS: that's one of the things I don't understand about the net, why not use the words instead of all the capital letters, do google make money of this and it's all just another big scam...:))

Franko, you should always keep an eye on this site: http://www.theregister.co.uk

[spihunter]

Facebook is just like Amiga.org......except there are no Amiga people there. :)

[B00tDisk]

Crap another one of those thingy-wotsits, what's BOFH mean I get fed up having to google those ruddy things... :(

Didn't you leave FOR EVAR in some flaming drama-bomb? How can we miss you if you won't go?

[vidarh]

Crap another one of those thingy-wotsits, what's BOFH mean I get fed up having to google those ruddy things... :(

Archive that includes the original Bastard Operator From Hell posts (http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/index.php). The new ones aren't as funny.

[tone007]

Didn't you leave FOR EVAR in some flaming drama-bomb? How can we miss you if you won't go?

There was indeed a public outcry at Franko's departure, and the forum fell into a short period I will call "The Doldrums," but coinciding with Franko's return it seems "The Doldrums" have passed. Connection? Who knows.

[Franko]

Didn't you leave FOR EVAR in some flaming drama-bomb? How can we miss you if you won't go?

Gawd... whit is wur sum o you people... :rolleyes:

In my short time here I noticed a lot of posts by people (even by mods) asking where did such and such go and nobody ever knows. So when I decided to leave i though it only polite to say Ta Ta to all the folk who have made the time I spent here enjoyable and had given me (for the most part) such a good laugh... :)

Do you leave after visiting someone without saying Ta Ra Mate ???

Hey it's not my fault it ended up like some crazy soap opera script, with other folk starting threads or posting about me like someone had just shot J.R. (if I recall rightly, that all turned out to be just a dream and somebody woke up with Bobby in the shower and everything was hunky dorey after all)... :)

Ok so someone must've just nodded of and it was all just bad dream, everything is as it should be now and you can all get back complaining about my threads & posts (gawd knows why as the numbers show enough of you read em... ;)

So the bad dreams over... or has it just begun... ;)

Tune in for the next exiting episode of Twin Amigas - the worlds most oddball community... :lol:

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Funny/TwinAmigas.gif

[Retro_71]

Mate you sound like a BOFH :lol:

I AM ONE HELL OF A BOFH.... I have to I keep telling the boss to replace a few (ok most) of the users with shaved monkeys (just so no one gets freaked out with all that hair.. and also easier to clean the place up for the cleaners (Yes i am a thoughtful kind of guy.. :D)) not only will the computers be happier and safer but more work will get done at the office.....

TO give an example i never knew what redtube was but i did notice our download limit which is 500GB being eaten quite quickly so on further investigation i found said site on quite i few PC's so i loaded it up... to my surprise.... ofcourse i blocked that asap..... one little example of how things are.
I have to rule them with an iron fist or else i will go crazy... I remember one of the managers i had to wipe and reinstall his PC 6 times in one year........ Numnut of Mega proportions.
Any Yes I am a Mean Hateful man that takes great pleasure in making sure his users don't have any fun but actually work since that is what they get paid for... :destroy:
:D:D:D:D
P.S. Yes i am Glad Franko is back becuase it was boring...... have you noticed people posts going on turbo mode when he is around?? :D (well my posts anyway)

[CSixx]

simple

[Franko]

simple

Simon

[Lando]

I resent the fact that six out of the ten threads on the front page of this site are now about Barry Altman and his PC reselling business... What the hell is going on? There is absolutely zero relevance to Amiga computers.

[XDelusion]

760 People like it apparently.

[Franko]

I resent the fact that six out of the ten threads on the front page of this site are now about Barry Altman and his PC reselling business... What the hell is going on? There is absolutely zero relevance to Amiga computers.

I agree 100% but welcome to what appears to be the new CUSAAmiga.org fan site... :(

[Lando]

I resent the fact that six out of the ten threads on the front page of this site are now about Barry Altman and his PC reselling business... What the hell is going on? There is absolutely zero relevance to Amiga computers.

Oh, correction now it's seven out of ten. 70% of threads. Utterly unbelievable...

[Franko]

Oh, correction now it's seven out of ten. 70% of threads. Utterly unbelievable...

Not long before the whole site either implodes or is taken over 100% by CUSA topics... very believable... I'm afraid... :eek:

[XDelusion]

We're doing a great job of raising a large hype about this don't you think? :)

At last the community comes together for something, for better or worse.