Anyone know what is up with Amigaworld?

[Tomas]

Seems to be down for me today.. I had some issues yesterday as well, but today it wont load at all.
Does it work for anyone else?

[klx300r]

hope it wasnt hacked like amigans.net was

[Gulliver]

I had access to awnet early today. Maybe the server just crashed.

[Drummerboy]

Seems to be down for me today.. I had some issues yesterday as well, but today it wont load at all.
Does it work for anyone else?

I dont know whats happening.. but its not working here...

[TheBilgeRat]

A disturbance in the force-it's as if a hundred angry C=USA supporters cried out at once, then were silenced...

[persia]

C=USA bought it?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4968832364_46be6d3e11.jpg

[fishy_fiz]

I often ask myself what wrong with amigaworld as well, but in a different context ;)

oops, too honest ? :)

[Iggy]

I often ask myself what wrong with amigaworld as well, but in a different context ;)

oops, too honest ? :)

NO! Entirely too dead on.

[AmigaNG]

why do so many hate amigaworld, I've always found amigaworld and infact any Amiga forum quite friendly and helpful. Ok I do kind of see some of the favouritism towards one camp or another but I see that pritty much any forum, like to me amiga.org seem more classic/crazy camp, but you do a good gob at balancing and I think its difficult for any community to keep it all troll free and neutral when there so many different camps and choices.


But any way back on topic, any one know what exactly happened?

[gizmo350]

C=USA bought it?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4968832364_46be6d3e11.jpg

If you look real close you will see a Commodore T-Shirt in this post! NICE!!!

[JC]

Seems to be down for me today.. I had some issues yesterday as well, but today it wont load at all.
Does it work for anyone else?

Hope it's not down for good. I always get great assistance with my OS4.1 questions there.

[takemehomegrandma]

Anyone know what is up with Amigaworld?

Anyone cares?

:-P

[AJS]

If you look real close you will see a Commodore T-Shirt in this post! NICE!!!
I'm not sure? I think she should take it off so we can have a closer look! ;-)

[x303]

I've always found amigaworld and infact any Amiga forum quite friendly and helpful. Well, not to me. :rolleyes:

[Iggy]

Well, not to me. :rolleyes:

Seconded. They're too uptight and thin skinned. You really have to work here to offend someone. I like the crazy people better.

[Iggy]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4968832364_46be6d3e11.jpg

BTW - That is cute!

[ribdevil1]

Anyone cares?

:-P


All AMIGA FORUMS are important for me.

Huuups you aren't an AMIGIAN, are an :( AMORPHUS.

[AmigaNG]

A-eon girls are hotter
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/amigang/amigirls.jpg

[klx300r]

@ AmigaNG

I want them all !!!!..& I'll take a T-Shirt too:roflmao:

[x303]

Seconded. They're too uptight and thin skinned. You really have to work here to offend someone. I like the crazy people better.If you're trying to offend me here, you're not any better then some ppl on aw.net (who also offended me).
And if you really knew me, you didn't said something like that. So uptight and thin skinned, I don't think so. :evil:

[Kesa]

Seconded. They're too uptight and thin skinned. You really have to work here to offend someone. I like the crazy people better.

So that's what i'm doing wrong...

[bitman]

Anyone cares?

:-P
You read the thread - so you cared!

[amoskodare]

@fishy_fiz

I often ask myself what wrong with amigaworld as well, but in a different context ;-)

oops, too honest ? :-)I always wondered this too, but the other way around ;)


@Iggy

They're too uptight and thin skinned. You really have to work here to offend someone.For me, the problem with place is that there is too much totally off topic posts here... A.org regulars can wander two, three pages totally off-topic with some nonsense Sunday weather chat, without anybody caring about the actual topic...
Mostly I have to auto-skim over most of the crap to find an actual on-topic post... but then I don't visit this place that often so what ever.

Hell, I think even Moo Bunny is more on topic than this place?

Oops, was I off topic? ;)

Too honest? :sealed:

:afro:

[Argo]

AW is still MIA. Enough snarkiness, Please stay on topic.

[cecilia]

why do so many hate amigaworld, I've always found amigaworld and infact any Amiga forum quite friendly and helpful. Ok I do kind of see some of the favouritism towards one camp or another but I see that pritty much any forum, like to me amiga.org seem more classic/crazy camp, but you do a good gob at balancing and I think its difficult for any community to keep it all troll free and neutral when there so many different camps and choices.


But any way back on topic, any one know what exactly happened?

It's generally ok although I have found that it can be a bit childish at times. I check every once in a while but I don't post as often as i used to.

just tried now and it's still down. sad, really

[lou_dias]

Seems like everytime it snows in the NE USA they go down...

[Argo]

Snow? So, it's not the Mad Hacker whom Hacks at Midnight?

[djrikki]

Well with AW down and Amigans not sending me validation emails since day 1, stuck with A.org :(

[Argo]

C=USA bought it?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/4968832364_46be6d3e11.jpg

Ugh, bad memories of that t-shirt debacle...

http://i.pbase.com/u15/hmetal/large/38846348.3763amiga_chick.jpg

[fishy_fiz]

@fishy_fiz

I always wondered this too, but the other way around ;)


@Iggy

For me, the problem with place is that there is too much totally off topic posts here... A.org regulars can wander two, three pages totally off-topic with some nonsense Sunday weather chat, without anybody caring about the actual topic...
Mostly I have to auto-skim over most of the crap to find an actual on-topic post... but then I don't visit this place that often so what ever.

Hell, I think even Moo Bunny is more on topic than this place?

Oops, was I off topic? ;)

Too honest? :sealed:

:afro:

Wow, dont think Ive seen anyone fail at turning something around quite so heavily for a long, long time, so good job.

Nothing wrong with being off topic sometimes. I enjoy the social aspect of amiga.org myself, but there's also some good, grounded in reality amiga chat here as well. The problem for me with amigaworld.net is that it's a haven for completely delusional people who wont hear anything negative about their systems of choice but will instead bury thier heads ion the sand going, "nahnahnahnahnah" everytime something comes up that they dont like to hear (even if it is true), combined with a few people that continuously bait them.

And while we're objectifying the woman, I dont think I'd touch any of them with someone elses barge pole even. Especially the A-Eon girls. The one on the right has more nose than breasts. Being A-Eon theyre probably high maintanance anyway, cost way more than theyre worth :)

p.s. sorry ladies, I jest. Im sure you all have great personalities :)

[spihunter]

I wasn't going to say anything about Amigaworld.net but that is completely true. At least Amiga.org is accepting of everything Amiga and all the variants. You can talk about any of the Amiga systems here without worry of upsetting anyone (for the most part). You can even talk classic 8bit Commodore here if you want to.





Nothing wrong with being off topic sometimes. I enjoy the social aspect of amiga.org myself, but there's also some good, grounded in reality amiga chat here as well. The problem for me with amigaworld.net is that it's a haven for completely delusional people who wont hear anything negative about their systems of choice but will instead bury thier heads ion the sand going, "nahnahnahnahnah" everytime something comes up that they dont like to hear (even if it is true), combined with a few people that continuously bait them.
)

[Argo]

Well with AW down and Amigans not sending me validation emails since day 1, stuck with A.org :(

Just checked Amigans. Looks like something happened and they had to build a new site. That's just what I've gleaned from reading a few topics. They apparently have a back up of the old site, but it seems this wasn't a planned change.

[Tension]

Just checked Amigans. Looks like something happened and they had to build a new site. That's just what I've gleaned from reading a few topics. They apparently have a back up of the old site, but it seems this wasn't a planned change.

Yea apparently it was hacked. See Moobunny.

[trekiej]

That is sad to hear.
Maybe it will bring new and improved site.

[Karlos]

Perhaps one of the aw.net mods or admin could post and let us know, just to calm the rumour mill.

[fishy_fiz]

Perhaps one of the aw.net mods or admin could post and let us know, just to calm the rumour mill.

Each to thier own, but I think the rumor mill is much more entertaining than facts :)
I heard that C-USA threatened to sue them if people didnt start addressing Barry and Leo as sir and madam so they've taken the site down until this is redeemed for past posts.

[Zerohero]

Perhaps one of the aw.net mods or admin could post and let us know, just to calm the rumour mill.

Yeah, I could, but it wouldn't help. To be honest we don't know what's wrong yet. From our side it looks like ISP problems, we've had that before, but nothing can be confirmed at this point.

[Akiko]

One of my faviourite websites, hopefully it returns soon.

[Varthall]

One of my faviourite websites, hopefully it returns soon.

+1

[Lando]

Well, good riddance that's all I can say.

[Kesa]

Yeah, I could, but it wouldn't help. To be honest we don't know what's wrong yet. From our side it looks like ISP problems, we've had that before, but nothing can be confirmed at this point.

Oh bollocks you are! Prove you are who you say you are!

OK assuming you are who you say you are what happens now? Your site goes down and now you lot are coming over here? Not a chance.

[Zerohero]

Oh bollocks you are! Prove you are who you say you are!

OK assuming you are who you say you are what happens now? Your site goes down and now you lot are coming over here? Not a chance.

Eh, what?

[Kesa]

Oh that Doomy and his practical jokes :roflmao:

[Argo]

Kesa,
Hey, chill out.

Really, people. No need for the negativity.

I just find it an odd coincidence that AW is down and Amigans got hacked. I'm just glad that the lights are still on here.

[Templario]

Perhaps their vanity or how they treat people, now they are suffer the consequences, and how it will be for that they need money to pay the server, well, that they don't call to my door.

[Kesa]

I'm cool! I just think it's really funny when AW.net goes down for a while and now they are coming on here. It's funny! :roflmao:

[fishy_fiz]

Eh, what?

My thoughts exactly :)

@Kesa

You do realise zerohero is a mod at aw.net ? As for "not a chance", since when did you dictate who can or can't use amiga.org ?
You're really on the un side of usual arent you ?

[BozzerBigD]

It's a shame it got hacked. Yes it's overly OS4.x centric but they're a good bunch of people generally. Lets hope they get it repaired soon. I don't understand the hacker mentality. Everyone suffers :angry:

[Kesa]

Actually i did know. But on here is isn't a mod so i'm taking the opportunity to hassle a mod knowing i can get away with it :)

[mikeymike]

I had a quick look last night, and it seems to me that their nameservers are down. Personally I would be surprised if a nameserver got hacked, because usually it's the only role for a particular machine, so all that needs to be done is for the OS to be reasonably locked down and patched, the DNS service too and perhaps an SMTP service too for reporting.

Plus, if the nameserver got hacked, then why not stick an additional "fingers up" at the site administrators by changing the DNS for the website to point at a "we hacked you" type page - I'm sure there's one on the Internet somewhere so the hackers don't give away any information that might identify them. It's what I would expect from a standard prank hack job.

[Kesa]

@BozzerBigD. Cool avatar :)

[Karlos]

Oh bollocks you are! Prove you are who you say you are!

OK assuming you are who you say you are what happens now? Your site goes down and now you lot are coming over here? Not a chance.
Many of the long term members of the site are already members here, myself included. Look, the 'forum wars' was a long time ago.
There's no need for the hostility.

[Kesa]

Opps, Ok my 'not a chance' was interpreted the wrong way, i wasn't being hostile i was just poking fun :)

Forum wars? :confused:

[wawrzon]

@kesa: zerohero is a valued member of the community and a cooler mod over there, just saying since you seem not to know.

@templario: so it is enough for you your os4 hardware to break, and being quite reasonably expelled from aw.net for a week, for calling others members names, to hate your previously most loved site? see no reason at all.

[buzz]

If they did get hacked, then they should be back online with the previous days backup after making sure the hole is closed. If they dont have a yesterdays backup, then I'm not sure how much sympathy I can have. I hope this isnt another case of a large website run without backups, but it seems that there is a huge amount of incompetency when it comes to hosting..

[smerf]

A-eon girls are hotter
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/amigang/amigirls.jpg

Hi,

I have a joystick for every one of those A-eon's

smerf

[Piru]

I had a quick look last night, and it seems to me that their nameservers are down.
I took a look couple of days ago already and here are my findings:
- Both nameservers and the web server appear down to the internet. None of the servers respond to any packets from the internet, no RST to SYNs or reply ICMP ECHO.
- Other servers in the same network block are working.
- Traceroute to other servers in the same network block shows this:
7 217.118.16.26 (217.118.16.26) 375.181 ms 359.319 ms 319.435 ms
8 62.193.251.115 (62.193.251.115) 260.044 ms 288.779 ms 300.288 ms
9 62.193.231.xx (62.193.231.xx) 379.572 ms 249.112 ms 299.767 ms

...while traceroute to amigaworld.net web server and both name servers shows this:
7 217.118.16.26 (217.118.16.26) 336.343 ms 269.567 ms 369.027 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * ^C

This is really interesting as it would suggest that the amigaworld.net servers are nullrouted early on.

It could well be that the servers themselves are running just fine on the background, but are just totally severed from the internet.

Obviously none of this explains why this would be happening.

[Wayne]

I'd hate to hazard a guess, but perhaps they were using a Hosting Provider that was either hacked (10%) or closed down suddenly. Doubtful this has much if anything to do with Amigaworld, but if they had a backup, it should be easy enough to find a new host and change DNS servers. Could be back online in an hour or so.

Hell, for that matter, I could provide them with a hosting account.

[Karlos]

I took a look couple of days ago already and here are my findings:
- Both nameservers and the web server appear down to the internet. None of the servers respond to any packets from the internet, no RST to SYNs or reply ICMP ECHO.
- Other servers in the same network block are working.
- Traceroute to other servers in the same network block shows this:
7 217.118.16.26 (217.118.16.26) 375.181 ms 359.319 ms 319.435 ms
8 62.193.251.115 (62.193.251.115) 260.044 ms 288.779 ms 300.288 ms
9 62.193.231.xx (62.193.231.xx) 379.572 ms 249.112 ms 299.767 ms

...while traceroute to amigaworld.net web server and both name servers shows this:
7 217.118.16.26 (217.118.16.26) 336.343 ms 269.567 ms 369.027 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * ^C

This is really interesting as it would suggest that the amigaworld.net servers are nullrouted early on.

It could well be that the servers themselves are running just fine on the background, but are just totally severed from the internet.

Obviously none of this explains why this would be happening.
Someone tripped over a main switch in the datacenter...

[Piru]

@Wayne & Karlos

The other servers running on the same hosting provider in the same network block are working just fine.

[Wayne]

@Wayne & Karlos

The other servers running on the same hosting provider in the same network block are working just fine.
Well, then.. I dunno. Hope all is well. Anyone actually talk to Dave?

Wayne

[Templario]

Beatiful Amiga users, I like the blond, excuse me, the polo shirt.

[Templario]

@kesa: zerohero is a valued member of the community and a cooler mod over there, just saying since you seem not to know.

@templario: so it is enough for you your os4 hardware to break, and being quite reasonably expelled from aw.net for a week, for calling others members names, to hate your previously most loved site? see no reason at all.
Yes, and some bad commnets? how that I left the Amiga for money problems?, and other question is the custom of expelled every time that I speak about Mor..., and this only for speak the need of join resources, but now I step that, because I'll going to other system with less problems and " some comments".

[tomazkid]

Well, then.. I dunno. Hope all is well. Anyone actually talk to Dave?

Wayne

Well, yes. Have not got a reply yet, but David is quite busy IRL, so no wonder.

Anyway, I know as much as Zerohero.

As Piru wrote, the host network is up, so seems it is something with the connection to the server itself, hope it is just a faulty cable, and nothing more serious.

[_Steve_]

Well, then.. I dunno. Hope all is well. Anyone actually talk to Dave?

Wayne

I have been trying to get hold of Davey to find out what exactly is going on, as unfortunately I do not even know myself. It would appear to be a hosting issue as it isn't just affecting the main site, but also some (or all) of the other services we hosted as well.

[wawrzon]

Yes, and some bad commnets? how that I left the Amiga for money problems?, and other question is the custom of expelled every time that I speak about Mor..., and this only for speak the need of join resources, but now I step that, because I'll going to other system with less problems and " some comments".

i can very well understand being bored of these pointless bashing over at aw, and for different reasons getting fed up with the kind of community. but actually you were very much part of this yourself, so i dont understand why out of the sudden you get so much offended the first time they didnt back you up completely. btw you were calling opi a fascist for *no* reason. i really find it distasteful. so why do you then show up here with this ss-porn avatar, or what it is?

[Templario]

i can very well understand being bored of these pointless bashing over at aw, and for different reasons getting fed up with the kind of community. but actually you were very much part of this yourself, so i dont understand why out of the sudden you get so much offended the first time they didnt back you up completely. btw you were calling opi a fascist for *no* reason. i really find it distasteful. so why do you then show up here with this ss-porn avatar, or what it is?
Well, I answer you step to step.
The Opi attack, well, I recognize that I was wrong, because Opi was the Mo... users that who misunderstood or manipulated my words to be expelled.
Other point is that forum the expelled makes anyone, without giving an opportunity to defend me, for example I was expelled but nobody was the executor, and after of Opi's incident I was threat for the second administrator the same that don't know who was the executor the first expelled.

Second the porn avatar that worry you:
http://www.ironsky.net/site/propaganda/pictures/
Well, the avatars I saw avatars more porn and more offensives, if you are offend, well, it is incredible for me, because you often offend in other forum, because there there are many avatars offensive.
And I finish the discussion, that now I'm of visit not for discuss, this is Amiga.org not Amigaworld.

[wawrzon]

cool down. i do not feel offended by you. but i think you act in much too emotional way, and this gets you in trouble. dunno what that iron sky stuff is, whatever. ive been also abuse reported on aw for nothing, and they didnt care to answer to my complaint. whatever i say. i get over with this. feel no hate..

[Piru]

It would appear to be a hosting issue as it isn't just affecting the main site, but also some (or all) of the other services we hosted as well.
Well do those other services also use the amigaworld.net name servers or even run on the same box as the main web server? If so, then clearly those services as down as well. If some of the services are running elsewhere however it can well be that the only thing stopping those services is the DNS server outage.

[zylesea]

Hope aw.net recovers soon. I like that place. Discussiosn pretty often turn couraged there and there is an overall bias to OS4, but all in all I like that place.

@ Templario

Well, I usually don't get distrurbed by avatars and/or tough speech and such things (I even like to break conventions ofgood taste/establishment) , but especially as a German I am a bit allergic when I see SS-Runes (or other nazi insignia) in a context that may get misinterpreted. I mean the girl doesn't look bad, plus she's looking prototypish German - and wears a uniform with nazi signs. The picture is not further commented by your avatar or sig - hence it could easily get misunderstood as a glorification of the nazi regime. And that is one of the really few things I reall don't like. I guess most Germans (and even more those who suffered from the Nazi regime) may feel offended by your avatar.
While I doubt you glorify the Nazi regime I suggest to better change the avatar to avaoid confusion or give a reference in your signature. At least in Germany you would ask for trouble with this avatar - showing nazi signs is forbidden by law (exceptions are for art and documentation).
On www.juliadietze.de there are plenty nice pictures of her w/o nazi signs...

[Karlos]

It's been a bit of a rum time for amiga forums of late. Amigans.net, AmigaWorld.net and Moobunny have all had outages and MorphZone has been without an active admin for a while (not sure if this is fixed yet).

Also, by the look of it, amigans is still limping along without any of it's legacy data reinstated. If they leave it too long, they'll face the dilemma that the data they've amassed in the meantime is important to them too.

[Karlos]

@ Templario

Well, I usually don't get distrurbed by avatars and/or tough speech and such things (I even like to break conventions ofgood taste/establishment) , but especially as a German I am a bit allergic when I see SS-Runes (or other nazi insignia) in a context that may get misinterpreted. I mean the girl doesn't look bad, plus she's looking prototypish German - and wears a uniform with nazi signs. The picture is not further commented by your avatar or sig - hence it could easily get misunderstood as a glorification of the nazi regime. And that is one of the really few things I reall don't like.

She is German I think; an actress in an upcoming comedy movie called "Iron Sky" from which his avatar appears to be taken.

See: http://www.ironsky.net/

[zylesea]

She is German I think; an actress in an upcoming comedy movie called "Iron Sky" from which his avatar appears to be taken.

See: http://www.ironsky.net/

I know, and I also know that the movie is a comedy. I don't have anything against the movie, nor Julia Dietze. But I have a little problem with showing pictures with SS-Runes where the context is not clear. If the picture had a link to the movie - no prob. but w/o it can get misunderstood.
Don't get me wrong, I usually sh*t on being pc, but nonetheless I wouldn't put up an avatar with "kill all jews, communists, disabled and non conformists" (and that's what the SS stands implicitely for) *w/o* further explanation why I use such a bold statement.

[wawrzon]

@zylesea: exactly what i was trying to express, maybe not clearly enough.

[Piru]

@zylesea

The german self whipping over the incidents that happened several decades ago is something I still find it very difficult to understand. Okay there's this "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It" and all that, but I'd think that at some point some distance should be taken. For this particular OT I've created a thread in the coffee house (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=608342).

[Piru]

amigaworld.net is back.

[Karlos]

amigaworld.net is back.

Which is nice. I hope they soon find out what caused the outage.

@all

Any further posts regarding German views on the Nazi period, to Piru's Coffee House thread, if you please :)

[arttu80]

Well, it doesn't seem to open here, so is it really up yet??

[Zerohero]

Well, it doesn't seem to open here, so is it really up yet??

It was for a few minutes, but now it's off again...

[Kronos]

It was for a few minutes, but now it's off again...

..... and back on again ;)

[Ryu]

Perhaps a little off topic but I had an issue last November with IntuitionBase when I think someone tried to DoS the site with the shear ammount of data I did that day...

On the 15th of November the site transfered 4030909956 Kilobytes of data, which is about 3.75 Terabytes of data.

I'm just grateful I don't pay by the GB otherwise I'd be in trouble for that month.....

[gertsy]

Hey Daz. Just an FYI you have to update the link from the home page of IntuitionBase to the S****horpe Amiga group. The one in your sig works the one at IntuitionBase doesnt.

Cheers and "keep it active."

[Drummerboy]

Yep...

Its back..

[persia]

Yep...



AW.Net Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
AW.Net Operator: Main screen turn on.
C=USA: All your amiga are belong to us.
C=USA: You have no chance to survive make your time.
AW.Net Captain: For great justice.

[Golem!dk]

It's been a bit of a rum time for amiga forums of late. Amigans.net, AmigaWorld.net and Moobunny have all had outages and MorphZone has been without an active admin for a while (not sure if this is fixed yet).
Maybe you missed this post (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=607268&postcount=12) from the MorphZone admin.

[Karlos]

Maybe you missed this post (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=607268&postcount=12) from the MorphZone admin.

Ah right. Any idea what they are moving to?

[Templario]

Hope aw.net recovers soon. I like that place. Discussiosn pretty often turn couraged there and there is an overall bias to OS4, but all in all I like that place.

@ Templario

Well, I usually don't get distrurbed by avatars and/or tough speech and such things (I even like to break conventions ofgood taste/establishment) , but especially as a German I am a bit allergic when I see SS-Runes (or other nazi insignia) in a context that may get misinterpreted. I mean the girl doesn't look bad, plus she's looking prototypish German - and wears a uniform with nazi signs. The picture is not further commented by your avatar or sig - hence it could easily get misunderstood as a glorification of the nazi regime. And that is one of the really few things I reall don't like. I guess most Germans (and even more those who suffered from the Nazi regime) may feel offended by your avatar.
While I doubt you glorify the Nazi regime I suggest to better change the avatar to avaoid confusion or give a reference in your signature. At least in Germany you would ask for trouble with this avatar - showing nazi signs is forbidden by law (exceptions are for art and documentation).
On www.juliadietze.de there are plenty nice pictures of her w/o nazi signs...
Sorry, I know the german laws with the nazi symbols, I'm trying to promote this Finland movie, because it has success perphaps will be premier in my little city, Curiosly the actress is from your country, and I think that she is the good in this movie, about the runas, well, againd about the german laws, sometimes are very strict, I'm agree with the nazi use, but you don't forget that the SS runes and the swastika are pagan and mistycal symbols, that the nazi appropriated for their mytical madness, other totalitarian regines fascist, comunisn, etc., also done.
Also we forget that in the one dollar bill there is a mason symbol, etc.
And when the movie will be premiere, I'll change the avatar.

[jorkany]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-B6A04iK0

(embedding disabled on that one unfortunately)

[wawrzon]

Sorry, I know the german laws with the nazi symbols, I'm trying to promote this Finland movie..

you dont have to explain yourself anymore. ive seen what that is about, the same guys who did this "in the pirkining" stuff. quite funny, like finns do. would be cool to see it soon. sorry if i was irritated. and it is not about laws (at least not for me)..
;)