Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

[the_leander]

Dunno. In order to say:
"Trevor and Ben Hermans almost came to blows in the last meeting."
would you not have to BE at such a meeting?

If not, then we're talking what...2nd hand story, 3rd hand?

Whether it was stated by one or both parties, or an independent witness or there in person, it still negates your requirement to be friends with both.

And again, it's not like Hyperion don't have a track record of screwing over their partners.

Or as you said:


Oh wait...too logical. heh.


Quite.

[vox]

There hasn't been any news about the X1000 in some time, however this item appeared over on moobunny today:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/186755.shtml

Breaking news or fanciful fiction, you decide.

Complete fiction. Or is it called faction if its based on some existing problems, but taken to fantasy and worse case scenario?

Sounds like Albanian mafia is behind it (this is local joke in Balkans, but no mafia is easy in real life).

[the_leander]

Did application for betatesting went OK?

Applications have been processed and money taken, that said, all those on the beta testing lists have been curiously quiet about receiving their beta boards.

That last part alone would have me very worried.

[number6]

Whether it was stated by one or both parties, or an independent witness or there in person, it still negates your requirement to be friends with both.

And again, it's not like Hyperion don't have a track record of screwing over their partners.


An Amigaland company with a bad track record? Perish the thought. No. I just doubt this particular posting.

I won't argue which company or individual at the cemetary was successful at piling the most dirt on the amiga coffin.

#6

[the_leander]

No. I just doubt this particular posting.


It may be nothing, but looking back at history when it comes to leaks on moobunny of this nature, at least from my point of view, I'd be prepared at least to take it on board.

YMMV of course, but the profound silence from both camps for months on the issue should at least have alarm bells ringing, especially if you're one of the unfortunates who have stumped up cash for the beta program.

[vox]

Applications have been processed and money taken, that said, all those on the beta testing lists have been curiously quiet about receiving their beta boards.

That last part alone would have me very worried.

OK, so that is the stop sequence. Everything else is fiction.

Has Varisus said anything about Nemo board as hadrware partner?
A-EON about deliveriing the boards?
Hyperion about them porting OS4 to Beta version for X1000? They must have board.

P.S.
How can we know all beta testers have send their money?
Has A-EON confirmed it ever?

[vox]

There hasn't been any news about the X1000 in some time, however this item appeared over on moobunny today:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/186755.shtml

Breaking news or fanciful fiction, you decide.

If there is still Vesalia X1000 page, there is hope!

[number6]

It may be nothing, but looking back at history when it comes to leaks on moobunny of this nature, at least from my point of view, I'd be prepared at least to take it on board.

YMMV of course, but the profound silence from both camps for months on the issue should at least have alarm bells ringing, especially if you're one of the unfortunates who have stumped up cash for the beta program.


Perhaps I'm just spoiled by reading the well researched material of Inquisitor, and looking for a quality of posting there from others, that is just not to be had at present.

#6

[Piru]

Has Varisus said anything about Nemo board as hadrware partner?
I haven't. Has anyone seen anything at all from Varisys, ever?

A-EON about deliveriing the boards?
No word since January 1st 2011:AmigaOne X1000 Beta Testers should take delivery of their revision 2 Nemo motherboards during the first quarter of 2011 and all being well, commercial system will be available shortly afterwards.

Hyperion about them porting OS4 to Beta version for X1000?
I haven't heard anything since last year. I haven't been paying attention, though.

[jorkany]

Perhaps I'm just spoiled by reading the well researched material of Inquisitor, and looking for a quality of posting there from others, that is just not to be had at present.

Just out of curiosity, what to you think about the quality of the news postings on this site:
http://a-eon.com

?

[Piru]

If there is still Vesalia X1000 page, there is hope!
Where is the page? I can't find it.

I can see a page for Elbox Dragon though...

[vox]

I haven't. Has anyone seen anything at all from Varisys, ever?


No word since January 1st 2011:


I haven't heard anything since last year. I haven't been paying attention, though.

a) Yes, there are Varisys products, a lot of them.

Hyperion needs to say something about the OS for the board. They are partner. And board realise is dependent on it.
http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=136:hyperion-entertainment-cvba-and-a-eon-technology-cvba-announce-strategic-partnership&catid=36:amigaos-4x&Itemid=18

OK, so its two months. Thats a day in Amiga lightyears time.

[vox]

Where is the page? I can't find it.

I can see a page for Elbox Dragon though...

Now there is just a poster.
http://www.vesalia.de/e_amigaonex1000poster.htm

I but I love Wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000

[vox]

Just out of curiosity, what to you think about the quality of the news postings on this site:
http://a-eon.com

?

Not very professional, but news.

CUSA news are more sensationalistic :-)

[jorkany]

a) Yes, there are Varisys products, a lot of them.

Hyperion needs to say something about the OS for the board. They are partner. And board realise is dependent on it.
http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=136:hyperion-entertainment-cvba-and-a-eon-technology-cvba-announce-strategic-partnership&catid=36:amigaos-4x&Itemid=18

OK, so its two months. Thats a day in Amiga lightyears time.

Whatever. So how about the URL to this page:
If there is still Vesalia X1000 page, there is hope!

[number6]

Just out of curiosity, what to you think about the quality of the news postings on this site:
http://a-eon.com

?

"Happy New Year to all Amigans"...
Pleasant, but not exactly what I'd call news.
I see at least some attempt at content monthly as a pattern and then squat.
You?

#6

[number6]

Where is the page? I can't find it.

I can see a page for Elbox Dragon though...


Oh dear...now talk about understated humor...

#6

[Fats]

Breaking news or fanciful fiction, you decide.

It's on moobunny so it's 100% true ...

greets,
Staf.

PS: Sorry for repeating, it seems I had the post open for a few hours and did not see the replies.

[Piru]

a) Yes, there are Varisys products, a lot of them.
But haven't heard anything at all from them regarding X1000 or "Nemo board".

[jorkany]

"Happy New Year to all Amigans"...
Pleasant, but not exactly what I'd call news.
I see at least some attempt at content monthly as a pattern and then squat.
You?

#6

I think the quality has improved dramatically ever since they stopped posting speculative product availability on the front page. I think it would be in their best interest to come up with something new and factual though. As you've probably seen there's a lot of negative speculation out there, but A-eon created this vacuum themselves.

[number6]

I think the quality has improved dramatically ever since they stopped posting speculative product availability on the front page. I think it would be in their best interest to come up with something new and factual though. As you've probably seen there's a lot of negative speculation out there, but A-eon created this vacuum themselves.

Totally agree.
And I happen to like the quality of the site in general.

#6

[vox]

Totally agree.
And I happen to like the quality of the site in general.

#6

Hope they will also have some update soon

[Dummy2]

@vox

I have your long awted update below!

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/movie-popcorn-2.jpg

[fishy_fiz]

And youre a ****ing clown. What sort of loser starts an account soley to antagonise someone in that manner? I disagree with dammy on many things, but that sort of crap is crossing the line. Why dont you go lick the inside of a loaded shotgun barrel while simultaneously testing the trigger?

Chances are my use of words with more than 2 syllables will confuse you anyway if your demonstration of English is anything to go by, so I'l dumb it down for you:

Dummy2 = moron, bozo illiterate clown.

[Franko]

And youre a ****ing clown. What sort of loser starts an account soley to antagonise someone in that manner? I disagree with dammy on many things, but that sort of crap is crossing the line. Why dont you go lick the inside of a loaded shotgun barrel while simultaneously testing the trigger?

Chances are my use of words with more than 2 syllables will confuse you anyway if your demonstration of English is anything to go by, so I'l dumb it down for you:

Dummy2 = moron, bozo illiterate clown.

+1

Yup, as much as I think Dammy is a wee bit of a silly bugger, that's crossing the line with that one and the other one this dipstick just posted, take the piss by all means but making such accusations deserves to be treated with contempt or worse...

[Colin_Camper]

+1

Yup, as much as I think Dammy is a wee bit of a silly bugger, that's crossing the line with that one and the other one this dipstick just posted, take the piss by all means but making such accusations deserves to be treated with contempt or worse...

It's thierry/athiest/foody. He's been spamming the moo with the same anti-Dammy rubbish for months.
He threatened to hack all the amiga sites a while back.
However, being intellectually challenged, all he can manage is to create a new account for trolling purposes.

[fishy_fiz]

What a weak, gutless person. Doesnt even have the balls to take issue man to man, but instead antagonises behind an illusion of anonymity making horrible claims about the person he has issues with and takes paedophillia lightly in the process. Dont they usually put dogs down when there's no hope for them ?


edit: heh, I just noticed my 666th post involved suggesting someone lick the inside of a loaded shotgun barrel while simultaneously testing the trigger :) I stand by that recommendation, but bit of a coincidence :)

[Franko]

edit: heh, I just noticed my 666th post involved suggesting someone lick the inside of a loaded shotgun barrel while simultaneously testing the trigger :) I stand by that recommendation, but bit of a coincidence :)

Hmmm... you sure your names not really Damien... all seems a like a bit of an Omen to me... :eek:

[Dummy2]

My words is still true

[Karlos]

My words is still true

Save it for moobunny. We don't want your eXfuse/Dammy/Scat obsession here, thanks.

[Kesa]

I'm sorry i think i may be missing something. What's the deal with Dammy? I know all about Doommaster but i know nothing of why everyone dislikes Dammy and what his gripe is with everyone here on A.org. Can someone tell me?

[fishy_fiz]

I cant speak for anyone else, but personally the way that Dammy for years has done more or less nothing but regurgitate the same old typical negative side of the amiga coin and antagonises people and tries to stir reactions from people by deliberately going against the grain is why I cant really take him seriously on forums. He's basically troll personified. Harmless, but tedious.
Dummy however is a different person, who has taken it upon himself to have a vendetta against Dammy and has spent the last few months embarassing himself on various amiga websites and generally trying to cause trouble in whatewver way he can. Some of his actions are highly questionable (albiet pathetic) and he's the sort of person who even the most pacified of people would happily cheese grate his nerps and/or face.

[Kesa]

Interesting. I thought Dummy was a fake account of Dammy.

I also thought that the person who threatened A.org a while back was Doommaster. If it wasn't Doomy then who was it? :confused:

[WolfToTheMoon]

It seems Varisys has stopped offering all PA-6T related products on their webpage(somebody on awn noticed).

[zylesea]

It seems Varisys has stopped offering all PA-6T related products on their webpage(somebody on awn noticed).
Actrually it was Krashan who spotted that and reported at morphzone: http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7183&forum=3

Even more interesting from that same thread is that Varisys doesn't source PA6T chips, Aeon must get them from another source.
Well, PA6T - the wrong horse to have bidded on? I've said so and I say so now. The chip was interesting fom its specs, but it is dead like a dodo.

[vidarh]

Well, PA6T - the wrong horse to have bidded on? I've said so and I say so now. The chip was interesting fom its specs, but it is dead like a dodo.

It being "dead like a dodo" is irrelevant as long as they have a sufficient supply, and given the size of the Amiga market that doesn't take much.

The reason it's irrelevant is that most of the PPC chips that are potential candidates for AmigaOne hardware in one form another are SOC's that are not socket compatible from version to version.

In other words, you're faced with redesigning the board for the next generation anyway, in which case it matters a whole lot less if you need to switch to a CPU from another source.

[jorkany]

Actrually it was Krashan who spotted that and reported at morphzone: http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7183&forum=3

Even more interesting from that same thread is that Varisys doesn't source PA6T chips, Aeon must get them from another source.
Well, PA6T - the wrong horse to have bidded on? I've said so and I say so now. The chip was interesting fom its specs, but it is dead like a dodo.

A-eon stated that they sourced them elsewhere with this announcement from the News section of their website. Due to the moronic design of that site it's not possible to directly link to news items, but if you extend the menu shaft by tapping on the menu head, and then touch the News ball, and select the article 22 Dec. 2010, you'll find this:

"Fortunately Varisys, our AmigaOne X1000 hardware partner, had a long-standing relationship with PA Semi and we were able to secure a supply of PA6T CPUs for the AmigaOne X1000 project"

What A-eon doesn't reveal is what source PA Semi directed them to. I presume it was a warehouse of new old stock, but who knows?


In other words, you're faced with redesigning the board for the next generation anyway, in which case it matters a whole lot less if you need to switch to a CPU from another source.
I thought that was the main arguments for sticking with PPC - because the x86 hardware changed too much over time?

Oh well.

[fishy_fiz]

To me that just suggests it's not a great choice (nor are the cpus in sam boards). With the limited development of amiga hardware it makes more sense to find hardware that can be upgraded by replacing the cpu when a person is inclined. I guess the problem with this though is that pretty much all new ppc chips are SoC's. I guess also that an upgradable path may not suit amiga hardware developers as it removes potential sales of future systems if people can get around replacing entire systems. Pretty rough position for all involved.

[wawrzon]

In other words, you're faced with redesigning the board for the next generation anyway, in which case it matters a whole lot less if you need to switch to a CPU from another source.


which means this soap will be going forever. not much of issue excep keeping quite a part of community passive in waiting loop. but then they would probably never contribute much to anything else.

[TheBilgeRat]

Actrually it was Krashan who spotted that and reported at morphzone: http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7183&forum=3

Even more interesting from that same thread is that Varisys doesn't source PA6T chips, Aeon must get them from another source.
Well, PA6T - the wrong horse to have bidded on? I've said so and I say so now. The chip was interesting fom its specs, but it is dead like a dodo.

Or perhaps they just no longer have any for sale cos Aeon bought them all. :D

[persia]

They were in Steve Job's office, propping up an iPad 3...

A-eon stated that they sourced them elsewhere with this announcement from the News section of their website. Due to the moronic design of that site it's not possible to directly link to news items, but if you extend the menu shaft by tapping on the menu head, and then touch the News ball, and select the article 22 Dec. 2010, you'll find this:

"Fortunately Varisys, our AmigaOne X1000 hardware partner, had a long-standing relationship with PA Semi and we were able to secure a supply of PA6T CPUs for the AmigaOne X1000 project"

What A-eon doesn't reveal is what source PA Semi directed them to. I presume it was a warehouse of new old stock, but who knows?



I thought that was the main arguments for sticking with PPC - because the x86 hardware changed too much over time?

Oh well.

[jorkany]

So any beta testers get their board yet?

[Iggy]

So any beta testers get their board yet?

Somehow I doubt it.

As to the CPUs, A-eon and Varisys secured them when PA Semi put out a request for final orders.
Its no great mystery. PA Semi was shutting down production and didn't want new customers (that might depend on an item that was eol).

[Motormouth]

Would you rather have the AmigaOne X1000 or a Natami?
I guess the real question is do you want AmigaOS4.1
or 680x0 compatibility?

If Amigas are just hobby machines I would prefer being able to run a high-end AmigaOs 3.1
computer than AmigaOS4.1 that feels just a little bit too much like Linux.

[Franko]

Would you rather have the AmigaOne X1000 or a Natami?
I guess the real question is do you want AmigaOS4.1
or 680x0 compatibility?

If Amigas are just hobby machines I would prefer being able to run a high-end AmigaOs 3.1
computer than AmigaOS4.1 that feels just a little bit too much like Linux.

The NatAmi is my first choice between these two as being the future replacement for my old A1200s for use on a daily basis... 68x all the way for me when it comes to the Amiga... :)

But the X1000 I also want just to see what it's capable of and replace my poxy iMacs for browsing the net... :)

(Still not keen on OS4.1 though but I suppose it'll do for browsing... :))

[Iggy]

Maybe you were being a little harsh there on Barry, Franko.
He'll probably sell more computers then A-eon and the Natami team combined.
And you can run Cloanto's software on them better then it will run on your Mac.

[commodorejohn]

He'll probably sell more computers then A-eon and the Natami team combined.
Maybe so, but either one is a hell of a lot closer to an Amiga than a PC clone board in a novelty case...

[Iggy]

Maybe so, but either one is a hell of a lot closer to an Amiga than a PC clone board in a novelty case...

Probably true, in that they're both going to be seriously over priced.

And we all have our own opinions on what an Amiga can be.
From my viewpoint it can even be a Mac.

[Franko]

Maybe you were being a little harsh there on Barry, Franko.
He'll probably sell more computers then A-eon and the Natami team combined.
And you can run Cloanto's software on them better then it will run on your Mac.

I could never be too harsh on Barry I promise you that... ;)

Yup he may well sell more of his PCs running emulators but then most folk that are buying from the "Fan" comments I've read aren't too bright... :)

I would want to run Cloanto's software (as good as it might be) on my crapple Mac (it's only good for the internet) and Amiga emulators are not for me, I only like to use the real thing, just my personal choice... :)

[Hammer]

Pitty they weren't making a laptop. Sitting in Starbucks with an Amiga laptop would have been cool.

How are they able to call it the AmigaOne? Wouldn't that name have been registered to Eyetech?

Laptops? how about tablet pcs?


ps; typing this from ACER Iconia W500(AMD C-50 based) Tablet PC on a free coffee shop WiFi connection.

[Hammer]

A-eon stated that they sourced them elsewhere with this announcement from the News section of their website. Due to the moronic design of that site it's not possible to directly link to news items, but if you extend the menu shaft by tapping on the menu head, and then touch the News ball, and select the article 22 Dec. 2010, you'll find this:

"Fortunately Varisys, our AmigaOne X1000 hardware partner, had a long-standing relationship with PA Semi and we were able to secure a supply of PA6T CPUs for the AmigaOne X1000 project"

What A-eon doesn't reveal is what source PA Semi directed them to. I presume it was a warehouse of new old stock, but who knows?



I thought that was the main arguments for sticking with PPC - because the x86 hardware changed too much over time?

Oh well.

There are embedded AMD and Intel CPU lines.

[magnetic]

Hey franko, you use this guy "Barry"'s name all the time. You have never met this man and know nothing about him, yet you make all kinds of assanine statements. its quit embarassing for yourself so you should stop while you are ahead. Your fetish pal "Barry" has done more with his commodore business project than you have ever done or will do so you should really refrain on commenting on the man's business plans.

additionally, do you really think that this Barry gives the slightest care of what some nutjob like you thinks?

[takemehomegrandma]

Would you rather have the AmigaOne X1000 or a Natami?

The X1000 is merely a low volume PC with some dead-end PPC cpu, offering 2007 level PC performance at 2011 high end workstation prices. I fail to see the exciting thing in this.

The NatAmi is really something different, it's a true continuation of Amiga HW. It won't have as much raw cpu power and it won't be as usable for real life stuff, but it will be based on true Amiga HW technologies, which it will also extend and improve.

The X1000 I won't buy because it's *pointless*; it's unproven, underpowered, ridiculously overpriced and OS4 isn't even close to MorphOS when it comes to features, performance, Amiga compatibility. The whole package is redundant, no "raison d'etre"!

The NatAmi I won't buy unless its price comes down to about half of what they have talked about. It's a truly interesting piece of HW, and I would really want one, but it's simply too much money for me to spend on a "geek gadget" of this sort.

So I'll stick with MorphOS on my 1.5GHz/64MB VRAM Mac Mini, while hoping that the MorphOS team is about to announce upcoming ARM support as their post-ppc path to the future!

:)

[zylesea]

Would you rather have the AmigaOne X1000 or a Natami?
I guess the real question is do you want AmigaOS4.1
or 680x0 compatibility?

If Amigas are just hobby machines I would prefer being able to run a high-end AmigaOs 3.1
computer than AmigaOS4.1 that feels just a little bit too much like Linux.
Neither of them. Am having nice maschines for MorphOS already and am considering an Arcade Replay board for 68k retro stuff.

[commodorejohn]

Your fetish pal "Barry" has done more with his commodore business project than you have ever done or will do so you should really refrain on commenting on the man's business plans.
Oh, he's a successful businessman? Well slap me silly! Clearly that makes him completely above any form of criticism for any of his actions or plans!

All hail Barry Altman, businessman extraordinaire!

[amiga92570]

^+1

[persia]

Form over function, the case is retro, the innards netbook. Is it the shape of the C64 that made it a best seller or what it did? The shape was horrible, it sat too high to properly type on, you had to expand it with all sorts of stuff hanging off it. But it was all worth it for the C64 Basic that was just sitting there waiting for you. You have to remember US$600 was cheap for a computer back then. Nowadays US$600 will buy you a DIY quad core behemoth.

It's PC bling, nothing more.


Oh, he's a successful businessman? Well slap me silly! Clearly that makes him completely above any form of criticism for any of his actions or plans!

All hail Barry Altman, businessman extraordinaire!

[Bamiga2002]

Lol!

[takemehomegrandma]

Oh, he's a successful businessman? Well slap me silly! Clearly that makes him completely above any form of criticism for any of his actions or plans!

Well, to reconnect to the topic of this thread - I think Barry shows a far better business sense than the people behind the X1000. He starts with identifying a potential market need, and creates a product specified to meet that need. The people behind the X1000 on the other hand starts with a product that nobody really needs, and will end up searching in vain for a market. Nothing bad in that, not at all; my point was merely that they have two different point of views - the former has a *business* point of view and is here to make money based on some mass market, the latter clearly has a *hobby* point of view and is here to create something they themselves thinks is cool, sell a few hundred units of it, and are happy if it will make ends meet in the end.

[takemehomegrandma]

It's PC bling, nothing more.

Maybe, but how is that *bad*?

The need for "Bling" (depending how you define it) is a major source of commerce in most industries targeted to the developed world...

[dammy]

Somehow I doubt it.

As to the CPUs, A-eon and Varisys secured them when PA Semi put out a request for final orders.
Its no great mystery. PA Semi was shutting down production and didn't want new customers (that might depend on an item that was eol).

I don't get the who NDA bit about the PA6T.

[persia]

I suppose it's all part of marketing, if Steve Jobs can get a standing ovation for a (HDMI) cable maybe a retro style plastic case deserves some attention...

Given the state of the world it's hard to hold righteous indignation over a lump of plastic. In the end he may or may not make a few bucks, he won't change the world, but 99.99999% of us won't change the world either. If not changing the world is a crime then everyone here is probably guilty too...

http://www.bibletoyou.com/animated/animations/hist/hick_with_hard_cider.gif

Maybe, but how is that *bad*?

The need for "Bling" (depending how you define it) is a major source of commerce in most industries targeted to the developed world...

[Franko]

Hey franko, you use this guy "Barry"'s name all the time. You have never met this man and know nothing about him, yet you make all kinds of assanine statements. its quit embarassing for yourself so you should stop while you are ahead. Your fetish pal "Barry" has done more with his commodore business project than you have ever done or will do so you should really refrain on commenting on the man's business plans.

additionally, do you really think that this Barry gives the slightest care of what some nutjob like you thinks?

Thought I'd waste some of me time here and give you a wee bit of attention you so desperately crave from me... :)

Erm... re-read you're absurd (as usual) statement again, rub your two brain cells together to try and get them working a wee bit (fat chance) and then if you manage to get some neurons firing consider this in regard to what you just said... :)

You have used my name more times than the entire worlds population (including all those that are dead) has in just about every post you've ever written here since I came along and ahem to quote yourself "You have never met this man and know nothing about him"... :)

Now can you see why I ignore you so much... if not here's a little clue...

YOU ARE AS THICK AS S%!&E... :D

[dammy]

Now can you see why I ignore you so much... if not here's a little clue...

YOU ARE AS THICK AS S%!&E... :D

Why do you have to personally insult people?

[Franko]

Why do you have to personally insult people?

It's not an insult it's a statement of FACT... you dunderheid... :)

PS: Bit rich that coming from the guy who spends half his time on that weird MooBunny site, insulting me and anyone else you care to mention... soooo.....

YOU TOO ARE AS THICK AS S£!&E... ;)

[dammy]

It's not an insult it's a statement of FACT... you dunderheid... :)

PS: Bit rich that coming from the guy who spends half his time on that weird MooBunny site, insulting me and anyone else you care to mention... soooo.....

YOU TOO ARE AS THICK AS S£!&E... ;)

Moo has a different TOS then AO. You sure can dish it out, pity you can't take it when it's dished back at you.

[Franko]

Moo has a different TOS then AO. You sure can dish it out, pity you can't take it when it's dished back at you.

Feel free to insult me here too Dammy just like you do elsewhere, to say I can't take it is more BS as usual on your behalf... ;)

Tell you what your on Skype and so am I, how about a nice wee cosy chat and we'll see who can't take what... :)

[number6]

oh dear...

Because moobunny has a different TOS that allows for bad behavior, that's reason to pursue bad behavior there as a goal...

ouch. Methinks even some moo regulars will object to that connotation.

#6

[XDelusion]

But does it have a clock port? I kid, i kid! lol..

But does it have the clock port in the right place? :)

[magnetic]

I dont need attention from morons on like you, in fact I go to bed every night wishing you would dissapear from here.

As usual you didnt respond to anything I said in a coherent, intelligent way. Just your ususal uneducated eurotrash slang... so i hope you understand that a "wee" bit you useless parasite.

[Darrin]

I dont need attention from morons on like you, in fact I go to bed every night wishing you would dissapear from here.

As usual you didnt respond to anything I said in a coherent, intelligent way. Just your ususal uneducated eurotrash slang... so i hope you understand that a "wee" bit you useless parasite.

What the hell is this "Eurotrash" you keep banging on about? As a European, I'm interested to know whether you mean all Europeans are trash?

[runequester]

What the hell is this "Eurotrash" you keep banging on about? As a European, I'm interested to know whether you mean all Europeans are trash?


The same eurotrash that colonized his damn country, I wager.

[magnetic]

Darrin

Just so you know i was raised euro i'm Portuguese.. If you dont know wtf "eurotrash is" chances are you may be one :)

[Franko]

I dont need attention from morons on like you, in fact I go to bed every night wishing you would dissapear from here.

As usual you didnt respond to anything I said in a coherent, intelligent way. Just your ususal uneducated eurotrash slang... so i hope you understand that a "wee" bit you useless parasite.

It's your lucky day Magntic, I'm giving you the attention you crave so badly twice tonight... :)

Unless of course mummy has tucked you up in beddy bies and your sound asleep with your teddy sucking your witlle thumb... ahhh.... :)

Now lets see "coherent" as in "morons on like you"... hmm... that seems to have lost any claim to coherency straight away... :lol:

Eurotrash... hmm... seem to recall you stating on numerous occasions that you were born in a European country so I can only assume from that, you're referring to yourself... simple answer stop posting then you wouldn't have to read your own Eurotrash gob****e... :)

Parasite... Hmmm... yeah I'm the one who jumps posts in threads when someone is selling something, telling the seller not to sell to anyone else... erm... sorry but that's you, just so you can get it cheap and then try to resell it again at twice the price (seem to recall that's why they banned you from Amibay)... ;)

Oh that's right and your little company Magnetic Systems that ripped folk off left right and centre for years as can be found in various posts on the "Lemon 64" forum... :)

Think that about covers it for now... :)

Carry on gibbering Magnetic it's fun ripping the piss out of you... :D

[magnetic]

Franko you fool, save the insults and slang and just answer to the post I made. You cannot, because you have no grounds as usual. Just drivel and stupidity and you wonder why ppl leave aorg... stupid usless assinine posts

once again spreading your lies and stupidity about my company.. thats why I had clients like Sony, Disney,Nasa, CNN, NYC mayors office, NYC board of ed etc etc...

what have you EVER done besides get fat and take up resources? All you do is call anyone with a company a crook, how sad you are. What do you do all day and night except play video games and play with yourself you parasite?


par·a·site/ˈparəˌsīt/Noun
1. An organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
2. A person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return.

[Franko]

Franko you fool, save the insults and slang and just answer to the post I made. You cannot, because you have no grounds as usual. Just drivel and stupidity and you wonder why ppl leave aorg... stupid usless assinine posts

SERIOUS MODE ENABLED...

I would be glad to answer but you haven't made a coherent post here for me to give you your desperately sought answer, so how can I answer when there is no coherent question... :)

SERIOUS MODE DISABLED...

SWITCHING BACK TO BABBLE MODE...

Wheeeeeeeee, wibbble, chocolate spanners, thing that taste like yellow and make mushroom noises, Magnetic, I'm a tree, It's a long way to Tipperary, Toys in the atic, Gone Fishing.... :D

PS: I like how you had to log out to go and find the definition of Parasite... :lol:

[Kesa]

I dont need attention from morons on like you, in fact I go to bed every night wishing you would dissapear from here.

As usual you didnt respond to anything I said in a coherent, intelligent way. Just your ususal uneducated eurotrash slang... so i hope you understand that a "wee" bit you useless parasite.

Your definition of "eurotrash" isn't correct. "Eurotrash" is a term to describe rich europeans living in America. I looked it up and everything! When you kept saying eurotrash i thought you were talking about porn :roflmao:

[Franko]

Franko you fool, save the insults and slang and just answer to the post I made. You cannot, because you have no grounds as usual. Just drivel and stupidity and you wonder why ppl leave aorg... stupid usless assinine posts

once again spreading your lies and stupidity about my company.. thats why I had clients like Sony, Disney,Nasa, CNN, NYC mayors office, NYC board of ed etc etc...

what have you EVER done besides get fat and take up resources? All you do is call anyone with a company a crook, how sad you are. What do you do all day and night except play video games and play with yourself you parasite?


par·a·site/ˈparəˌsīt/Noun
1. An organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
2. A person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return.

@ Magnetic

Ok once and for all here's the answers to your questions, not because you demanded them just to hopefully get it into you single brain cell just how dumb you really are, pretty worthless but I'll give it a try... :)

Firstly you never asked a question for me to answer... can you comprehend that thicko... :)

So your babble about "no grounds" is just more proof of how idiotic you are... still following dumb ass... :)

I don't wonder why "ppl leave aorg"... couldn't care less to be honest... surely even a dummy like you can understand that... :)

"Stupid assinine posts"... well even with the spelling mistake I agree with you that your posts are exactly that... dunderheid... :)

Not lies about your company just what other folk have posted on various forums about it... dead easy to understand that even for you... loony tunes... :)

Call all companies crooks, wrong again as usual but it's obvious by now you're too thick to follow that... whawhoo... :)

The "Clients" you mention... no wonder they're all f'ked up if you were making tea for them... tube... :)

Amazing... your the first person ever to call me fat, wonder why my many nicknames are "Twiggy", "Snap", "Skelator", "Skinny" to name but a few... gawd you have a vivid imagination and once again are totally wrong... bamstick... :)

Very rarely play video games and I let my girlfriend play with me if you really want to know... perv... :)

There you go, all questions answered, so now you can live happily ever after in that theme park in your wee head where your brain should be... :)

PS: One question for you in return... Why on earth do you keep breathing... ;)

[Kesa]

Oh good Argo deleted my Banging Sheep poll. Could have been embarrasing :rolleyes:

Cheers!

[Franko]

Oh good Argo deleted my Banging Sheep poll. Could have been embarrasing :rolleyes:

Cheers!

See I did ask about us Haggis Stuffers and told you were being racist by leaving us out and as Argo has Scottish blood in him then you deserved that... :D

[kd7ota]

@ Magnetic

Ok once and for all here's the answers to your questions, not because you demanded them just to hopefully get it into you single brain cell just how dumb you really are, pretty worthless but I'll give it a try... :)

Firstly you never asked a question for me to answer... can you comprehend that thicko... :)

So your babble about "no grounds" is just more proof of how idiotic you are... still following dumb ass... :)

I don't wonder why "ppl leave aorg"... couldn't care less to be honest... surely even a dummy like you can understand that... :)

"Stupid assinine posts"... well even with the spelling mistake I agree with you that your posts are exactly that... dunderheid... :)

Not lies about your company just what other folk have posted on various forums about it... dead easy to understand that even for you... loony tunes... :)

Call all companies crooks, wrong again as usual but it's obvious by now you're too thick to follow that... whawhoo... :)

The "Clients" you mention... no wonder they're all f'ked up if you were making tea for them... tube... :)

Amazing... your the first person ever to call me fat, wonder why my many nicknames are "Twiggy", "Snap", "Skelator", "Skinny" to name but a few... gawd you have a vivid imagination and once again are totally wrong... bamstick... :)

Very rarely play video games and I let my girlfriend play with me if you really want to know... perv... :)

There you go, all questions answered, so now you can live happily ever after in that theme park in your wee head where your brain should be... :)

PS: One question for you in return... Why on earth do you keep breathing... ;)

After all that, you still suck. :)

[jorkany]

So how about it beta testers, got your boards yet?
Rolling into the last month of Q2 2011 here...

[Kesa]

So how about it beta testers, got your boards yet?
Rolling into the last month of Q2 2011 here...

I agree that this has been long overdue. I am for the first time starting to wonder if it will ever be available to anyone apart from the beta testers... :(

I can see it now. Trevor Dick will make an announcement this year at Christmas telling us that it will be postponed for a year... :(

[fishy_fiz]

While I dont wish to discredit the effort and money that has been put into the X1000, by now I do have to wonder if it's even worthwhile anymore. I dont know exact dates, but it'd have to be 12 month ovedue by now surely ? In the computer world 12 months is a loooong time. 12 months overdue for a machine that was underwhelming to begin with and it just seems more and more expensive and underpowered (relative to modern computing). No longer does it have a chance with people who are interested in alternative computing and the only units I can see them selling are to a handful of very dedicated OS4.x enthusiasts.
Amiga is back, and as incompetant as ever ;-)

[billt]

by now I do have to wonder if it's even worthwhile anymore.

That's an appropriate comment if a notably superior successor is getting close enough to buy instead of the much delayed thingamy.

What else is coming that is 64bit, has Altivec, that many slots, etc? Sam460 is a good board, but it's a different performance/feature class item. And for those that want as high-end as possible, nothing else is known to be coming that would stomp all over the X1000, or even just somewhat surpass it.

The only thing I can imagine at this point, considering the PowerPC restirction forced upon us, would be something based on a many-core QorIQ, the 64bit version, with Altivec put back in. It's rumored that Altivec will return and be in some QorIQ chips, but not announced or known for sure, not by we the Amiga public anyway, and certainly not any details about what else would be in "The Return of Altivec" chips.

So, considering what we know about successors to the high-end X1000, waiting is annoying. Yes. But no longer worthwhile, from me the customer's point of view? There's nothing else to eclipse that board, so yea, we'll just go on waiting and waiting.

[dammy]

That's an appropriate comment if a notably superior successor is getting close enough to buy instead of the much delayed thingamy.

What else is coming that is 64bit, has Altivec, that many slots, etc? Sam460 is a good board, but it's a different performance/feature class item. And for those that want as high-end as possible, nothing else is known to be coming that would stomp all over the X1000, or even just somewhat surpass it.

The only thing I can imagine at this point, considering the PowerPC restirction forced upon us, would be something based on a many-core QorIQ, the 64bit version, with Altivec put back in. It's rumored that Altivec will return and be in some QorIQ chips, but not announced or known for sure, not by we the Amiga public anyway, and certainly not any details about what else would be in "The Return of Altivec" chips.

So, considering what we know about successors to the high-end X1000, waiting is annoying. Yes. But no longer worthwhile, from me the customer's point of view? There's nothing else to eclipse that board, so yea, we'll just go on waiting and waiting.

Why not just go with a PPC Mac like MOS has?

[commodorejohn]

Why not just go with a PPC Mac like MOS has?
Because that would make too much sense for Hyperion?

Though in defense of the idea of custom PPC hardware, I'll point out that most of the PPC Macs aren't really that great by modern standards - the Power Mac G5 line is good, and the Mac Mini is a decent choice if you want something less baboon-ass ugly than a behemoth cheese-grater on your desk, but beyond that, not so much.

(No disrespect intended to the G4 machines, it's just that if your stated goal is to run OS4/MOS on hardware that allows for modern software, they fall pretty short.)

[klx300r]

Why not just go with a PPC Mac like MOS has?

cuz no used (or new) Apple products are allowed in my house:p

[Iggy]

The only thing I can imagine at this point, considering the PowerPC restirction forced upon us, would be something based on a many-core QorIQ, the 64bit version, with Altivec put back in. It's rumored that Altivec will return and be in some QorIQ chips, but not announced or known for sure

T5020 and T5040, successors to the P5010 and P5020 where shown in Freescale presentations a couple months ago.
It was also announced that these e5500 cored products would only be the first products that would receive an improved implementation of AltiVec.

While the P5010 and P5020 should only be reaching the market this summer (making the time line for successors questionable), they have been formally announced (and they are confirmed products).

The biggest problem I see with the e5500 cores is their support of fewer PCIe lanes (then the PA6T) and a somewhat restrictive number of lane configurations.

[Iggy]

cuz no used (or new) Apple products are allowed in my house:p

Never used one myself, ever, till now (not even an Apple II).
But PPC Mac runs MorphOS great and would work just as well for OS4.
My own bias against Steve Jobs and Apple does not extend to second hand hardware. After all, my purchase of this equipment does nothing to increase either Jobs or Apple's bank accounts.

Your attitude is emotional not rational.

But then, you are an Amiga community member.

[klx300r]

Your attitude is emotional not rational.

But then, you are an Amiga community member.

yup had that 'attitude' since 1983 & that ain't changing any time soon:afro:

[takemehomegrandma]

The only thing I can imagine at this point, considering the PowerPC restirction forced upon us, would be something based on a many-core QorIQ, the 64bit version, with Altivec put back in.

Multi-core, 64bit CPU's doesn't really bring anything beneficial to the table, since Amiga is neither 64bit nor SMP capable.

[agami]

...

What else is coming that is 64bit, has Altivec, that many slots, etc? Sam460 is a good board, but it's a different performance/feature class item. And for those that want as high-end as possible, nothing else is known to be coming that would stomp all over the X1000, or even just somewhat surpass it.

...


Nothing else is "coming" in terms of what can be used for an Amiga like platform, but there's been something delivered quite a few years back; PowerMac G5.

I've held onto my PowerBook G4 1.6 GHz and PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 Ghz for the sole purpose of running Morphos. BTW, I bought the PowerMac in 2008 for under A$500.00. After which I spent another A$500.00 for an LCD monitor, some extra RAM, extra hard disk, and USB Bluetooth. About a year ago I tried selling it on eBay for A$300.00 and nobody was interested. After hearing about Morphos on G5 I was glad nobody bought it.

[drHirudo]

I've held onto my PowerBook G4 1.6 GHz and PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 Ghz for the sole purpose of running Morphos. BTW, I bought the PowerMac in 2008 for under A$500.00. After which I spent another A$500.00 for an LCD monitor, some extra RAM, extra hard disk, and USB Bluetooth. About a year ago I tried selling it on eBay for A$300.00 and nobody was interested. After hearing about Morphos on G5 I was glad nobody bought it.
I guess you are gladly running MorphOS on your PowerMac G5. How is it? Can you show some viideos?

[lsmart]

Multi-core, 64bit CPU's doesn't really bring anything beneficial to the table, since Amiga is neither 64bit nor SMP capable.

Firstly multiprocessing doesn't have to be symetrical in order to bring a performance boost. Secondly 64bit will only give you metrical truckloads of RAM. Both can theoretically be useful on OS4 but we are talking about software that hasn't been written yet.

[the_leander]

Firstly multiprocessing doesn't have to be symetrical in order to bring a performance boost. Secondly 64bit will only give you metrical truckloads of RAM. Both can theoretically be useful on OS4 but we are talking about software that hasn't been written yet.

Doesn't that all more or less back up his initial statement that these shiny new wiz bang cpu's aren't going to bring much to the table?

[commodorejohn]

Doesn't that all more or less back up his initial statement that these shiny new wiz bang cpu's aren't going to bring much to the table?
I dunno - 64-bit addressing would at the very least be useful for multimedia production software - even if it uses 32-bit pointers, you can at least give it up to a full 4GB of RAM if it needs it.

[the_leander]

I dunno - 64-bit addressing would at the very least be useful for multimedia production software - even if it uses 32-bit pointers, you can at least give it up to a full 4GB of RAM if it needs it.

Only if the OS has support for something like PAE. And again we're back to there being little or no software that could take advantage of the functionality (the one possible exception being blender, however given that when I last saw that software demo'd it was more unstable than Charles Manson I'm tempted to discount even that).

[billt]

Why not just go with a PPC Mac like MOS has?

Because those who can decide such a thing choose not to. I've tried to suggest it in a better way than "Hyperion should port to MacPPC" forum posts. I've set up a web site to try and collect documentation for chips, as that was one of the big reasons against it. Other big reason was Amiga inc. licensing restrictions I believe, but I'm under the impression that this may not be as much of an obstacle since the lawsuit stuff concluded.

I've got an iBook G4 that I'd love to call my "Amiga laptop". But uncofrunately, that's outside of the rules imposed on us by the deciderers. :/

[billt]

Multi-core, 64bit CPU's doesn't really bring anything beneficial to the table, since Amiga is neither 64bit nor SMP capable.

I hate circular arguments.

10 They won't add that feature because there's no hardware!
20 They won't make that hardware because the software doesn't support it!
30 goto 10

If someone makes such a hardware, hey the X1000 is a dual-core 64bit PPC, then the software guys have something to test on rather than just do theoretical coding. You gotta start somewhere, and I think it's easier to start on the hardware side of this stupid loop.

[lsmart]

If someone makes such a hardware, hey the X1000 is a dual-core 64bit PPC, then the software guys have something to test on rather than just do theoretical coding. You gotta start somewhere, and I think it's easier to start on the hardware side of this stupid loop.

That was my point. I don´t know wheter I´d be able to afford an X1000 when it comes out, but I think that there is potential for some interesting software in the future.

I don´t plan to use more than 4GB of RAM in 2011, but I wouldn´t rule out that it is useful in the future. Today Blender and Gimp on a SAM impressed me. If there are only a few developers who love the X1000 and make something incredible, it will be a big benefit even to users who can´t afford it, because it will encourage all of us.

[number6]

@thread

(from public email)

London, 7th June 2011

A-EON Technology is pleased to announce that following an extensive test
programme Varisys are about to commence manufacturing the full complement of
Nemo 2 motherboards for the AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team. As part of the
pre-qualification process, Varisys have ported the PowerPC version of Debian
Squeeze to demonstrate that all onboard components and subsystems are
working as expected. The AmigaOS4 developers have also been busy porting the
latest
version of AmigaOS4.1.x

Cool Running

The energy efficiency of the PA Semi CPU was fully demonstrated during the
testing phase. A thermal imaging camera was used to measure the CPU and
board
temperatures while running Debian Squeeze in dual-core under full load
conditions. A maximum CPU/Heatsink/Fan assembly temperature of 31.1C was
recorded while playing a DVD on a software rendered 1920x1200 full screen
display. With the CPU fan disconnected the temperature rose to meagre 34.6C
with a CPU core temperature of 61C.

AmigaOne X1000 Update Article

We are also pleased to announce that the next issue of "Amiga Future"
magazine will contain a Nemo 2 update article. Issue 91 (July/August) should
be released in early July and can be ordered from the "Amiga Future" website
or your local Amiga reseller.

A-EON Technology CVBA

#6

[trekiej]

I was fixin' to post the email from Aeon.
Thanks.

[jorkany]

Since this the last day of Q2 2011, and since A-eon stated that the beta X1000 boards would be delivered in Q2 2011, that means that the beta testers will be getting their X1000 boards today!

So how about it beta testers - why don't you report in this thread as you receive your packages today? It should be quite exciting!

[lsmart]

Since this the last day of Q2 2011, and since A-eon stated that the beta X1000 boards would be delivered in Q2 2011, that means that the beta testers will be getting their X1000 boards today!

I think the delay is really killing sales of the X1000. While I was a potential customer last year, I decided to buy a $600 PC instead this month.

[Varthall]

Only if the OS has support for something like PAE. And again we're back to there being little or no software that could take advantage of the functionality (the one possible exception being blender, however given that when I last saw that software demo'd it was more unstable than Charles Manson I'm tempted to discount even that).
Lately I'm using the Sequencer part of Blender under OS4 for some basic video editing, I had so far a couple of freezes while quitting and a single crash during an MPEG4 encoding, while I never had any problem while working in the sequencer.

Varthall

[persia]

Hard to justify one and a half thousand quid or more on something that is likely to be outclassed by phones in a year or so.....

[tone007]

Hard to justify one and a half thousand quid or more on something that is likely to be outclassed by phones in a year or so.....

Psh, probably already outclassed. Dual core NVidia Tegra phones with software that supports it, and not tethered to a desk!

[persia]

@tone007

Not to mention the rumours of a dual core A5 based iPhone 5 to be release in September. Somehow the slogan "X1000, almost as powerful as an iPhone 5" doesn't sit too well....

[nicholas]

My shiny new HTC Sensation probably wipes the floor with the X1000.

[Lando]

A maximum CPU/Heatsink/Fan assembly temperature of 31.1C was
recorded while playing a DVD on a software rendered 1920x1200 full screen
display.

Playing a DVD? That uses about 3% CPU on my 2009 iMac. If you're testing the CPU for heat it would be better to do something CPU intensive, surely? What about something from this century like a 1080p mkv?

[jorkany]

Well Q2 2011 is over with...nobody got their A-eon AmigaOne X1000 beta test board?

Nobody?

I guess A-eon will come up with a new schedule soon! I wonder if it will be Q3 2011 or if they will just go for the end of the year?

[Nostalgiac]

I think the delay is really killing sales of the X1000. While I was a potential customer last year, I decided to buy a $600 PC instead this month.

been looking at this *old* technology laptop
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/258876

should run WinUEA very nicely indeed...

ta
Tom UK

[XDelusion]

If this ends up selling for around $1000, then I'll for sure buy one. Anything above that would be insane, at least until OS4 has a Lot more apps developed for it along with fast and strong backwards comparability.

[Iggy]

been looking at this *old* technology laptop
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/258876

should run WinUEA very nicely indeed...

ta
Tom UK


Not a bad buy Tom (if my conversion from pounds to US dollars is correct).
I'm seeing new AMD based dual core laptops going for only a little more then that in the U*S right now.
But its not really fair to compare off the shelf X86 hardware with limited production PPC boards, is it?

[dammy]

But its not really fair to compare off the shelf X86 hardware with limited production PPC boards, is it?

Why not? If the hardware runs an Amiga-like OS, it should be fair game to compare it with other hardware that runs Amiga-like OS as well. It's completely fair to compare it with x86 or used Macs as in the case for MOS. Once COS 2.x running on new Commodore Amigas are out in the wild, it's going to have to be able to compare with hardware AROS is running on, MOS is running on, and what OS4 is running on. That is a lot of choices for the end user to decide on, which is a wonderful thing compared what we had 12 years ago.

[Nostalgiac]

But its not really fair to compare off the shelf X86 hardware with limited production PPC boards, is it?

hehe - no it's not - specially if the shelf stuff outperforms the PPC bleeps by a major factor :)

ta
Tom UK

[Iggy]

hehe - no it's not - specially if the shelf stuff outperforms the PPC bleeps by a major factor :)

ta
Tom UK

For people focused on running legacy software , you have a strong argument.
Scary when I find myself siding with Dammy.

[nicholas]

been looking at this *old* technology laptop
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/258876

should run WinUEA very nicely indeed...

ta
Tom UK

I've got my eye on this little beauty.....

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_Ethos_8943G_1005702.html

:lust:

[Iggy]

I've got my eye on this little beauty.....

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_Ethos_8943G_1005702.html

:lust:

Ouch! You definitely must have more disposable income then me, Nicholas.

[nicholas]

For people focused on running legacy software , you have a strong argument.
Scary when I find myself siding with Dammy.

MorphOS for QEMU anyone? :)

[nicholas]

Ouch! You definitely must have more disposable income then me, Nicholas.

Nah, just hoping the insurance firm payout for my broken Macbook Pro. :)

[Argo]

Why not? If the hardware runs an Amiga-like OS, it should be fair game to compare it with other hardware that runs Amiga-like OS as well. It's completely fair to compare it with x86 or used Macs as in the case for MOS. Once COS 2.x running on new Commodore Amigas are out in the wild, it's going to have to be able to compare with hardware AROS is running on, MOS is running on, and what OS4 is running on. That is a lot of choices for the end user to decide on, which is a wonderful thing compared what we had 12 years ago.

Yeah, cause AROS, MorhphOS, and Amiga OS 4.1 are very similar to a Linux-like Ubuntu style OS. :rolleyes:

[spihunter]

Why not? If the hardware runs an Amiga-like OS, it should be fair game to compare it with other hardware that runs Amiga-like OS as well. It's completely fair to compare it with x86 or used Macs as in the case for MOS. Once COS 2.x running on new Commodore Amigas are out in the wild, it's going to have to be able to compare with hardware AROS is running on, MOS is running on, and what OS4 is running on. That is a lot of choices for the end user to decide on, which is a wonderful thing compared what we had 12 years ago.

Knock it off Spammy. We don't want your C-USA crap in regular threads.......

[fishy_fiz]

I must admit to being completely underwhelmed byt the power consumption and temperature figures. This is a cpu that is often touted as being impressively conservative in these parameters and yet its outclassed by even x86 cpus that are magnitudes of times faster. Even a Llano (4x k10.5 Stars cores (ie. tweaked old technology that has a reputation for being inefficient in power/thermal properties) + intergrated radeon 6530/6550 with 320/400 stream processors + memory controller + pci express controller, etc.) downclocked to the same sort of frequencies would be quite competitive, despite not just being much faster, but being a chip much, much more complex (1.48 billion transistors).

[persia]

PA6T is a dated chip, an old generation, Apple has gone on to A4 & A5 chips based on ARM rather than PowerPC. They're dropping support for it next year. It had military (UK, US) application, otherwise Apple would have dropped support a couple years ago. If you think Apple is going to extend it's support then you don't know Apple's history. Apple recently abandoned core duo, the first intel generation of Macs, that goes all the way back to 2006/7....

[pampers]

MorphOS for QEMU anyone? :)

There was a time that I was opting for that option but not anymore. Emulation is emulation, not a big fan of it. That's why I don't use WinUAE or Aros via VirtualBox. There is no heart in that ;)

[TiredOLife]

Why not? If the hardware runs an Amiga-like OS, it should be fair game to compare it with other hardware that runs Amiga-like OS as well. It's completely fair to compare it with x86 or used Macs as in the case for MOS. Once COS 2.x running on new Commodore Amigas are out in the wild, it's going to have to be able to compare with hardware AROS is running on, MOS is running on, and what OS4 is running on. That is a lot of choices for the end user to decide on, which is a wonderful thing compared what we had 12 years ago.

I take the point about about comparing AROS/AOS4/MorphOS on different hardware because when it comes down to it, you are talking about the actual computing experience and hardware plays a part the same as the OS and also the available software does.

But they are all Amiga operating systems.
At this moment in time, there is no justifcation to say COS2 will have to be able to compare with the above as there is no evidence to suggest it will be an Amiga OS.

COS1 on the CUSA C64 is Linux and will have to compare to other LInux variants on their
hardware

COS2 for the CUSA Amiga line might just be another Linux variant for all you know.

[amiga92570]

Psh, probably already outclassed. Dual core NVidia Tegra phones with software that supports it, and not tethered to a desk!

I agree, My Motorola Atrix would more than likely out perform the x1000, and has the software support to do so. Its unlikely the X1000 will offer any revolutionary software as they are generally just playing catchup with modern PC's using antiquated hardware.

[dammy]

I take the point about about comparing AROS/AOS4/MorphOS on different hardware because when it comes down to it, you are talking about the actual computing experience and hardware plays a part the same as the OS and also the available software does.

Yup, it's about the user's experience and what they will pay for it.

[mongo]

COS2 for the CUSA Amiga line might just be another Linux variant for all you know.

Of course it will be.

[number6]

Of course it will be.


which takes us back to this (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=17&topic_id=33083&post_id=597638&viewmode=thread&order=0#597635)

"BTW... since Leo brought this up on Commodore-amiga.org, I can say it here I guess"

Mark Shuttleworth being the obvious reference here.

#6

[commodorejohn]

which takes us back to this (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=17&topic_id=33083&post_id=597638&viewmode=thread&order=0#597635)

"BTW... since Leo brought this up on Commodore-amiga.org, I can say it here I guess"

Mark Shuttleworth being the obvious reference here.
But...but don't you know we have to wait and see? It might just magically turn into an operating system with some actual kind of Amiga base late in development! Maybe Barry's fairy godmother will sprinkle it with magical Commodore dust?

[Darrin]

which takes us back to this (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=17&topic_id=33083&post_id=597638&viewmode=thread&order=0#597635)

"BTW... since Leo brought this up on Commodore-amiga.org, I can say it here I guess"

Mark Shuttleworth being the obvious reference here.

#6

The problem with quotes like this from C-USA:

There were some talks with a major linux distro maker founded by a South African entrepreneur

Is that they also like to make quotes like:

"There were some talks Jerri Ellsworth" or "There were some talks with the AROS Team" or "We're partners with Walt Disney" or "We have a factory in China" or "I've taken all my medications today" which don't always mean what they want us to think they mean.

The whole quote could have read "There were some talks with a major linux distro maker founded by a South African entrepreneur, but they told us to go and shag ourselves and don't call again."

[number6]

The problem with quotes like this from C-USA:



Is that they also like to make quotes like:

"There were some talks Jerri Ellsworth" or "There were some talks with the AROS Team" or "We're partners with Walt Disney" or "We have a factory in China" or "I've taken all my medications today" which don't always mean what they want us to think they mean.

The whole quote could have read "There were some talks with a major linux distro maker founded by a South African entrepreneur, but they told us to go and shag ourselves and don't call again."


Sure, the quote can have another meaning or merely be the attempt to plant a seed of PR.
Regardless, it's obvious that COS V1.0 is an "in house" production.
It's also obvious that since Leo has posted that he will be leaving for quite a while, that some work will have to be contracted out, which probably would have been the case regardless.

#6

[Darrin]

Sure, the quote can have another meaning or merely be the attempt to plant a seed of PR.
Regardless, it's obvious that COS V1.0 is an "in house" production.
It's also obvious that since Leo has posted that he will be leaving for quite a while, that some work will have to be contracted out, which probably would have been the case regardless.

#6

Leo is heading to the lifeboat already?

[dammy]

Leo is heading to the lifeboat already?

Most likely diaper changing since his wife is expecting.

Back on topic, what's the news on the A1X1K?

[number6]

Most likely diaper changing since his wife is expecting.

Back on topic, what's the news on the A1X1K?


Nothing public.

#6

[Kesa]

Most likely diaper changing since his wife is expecting.

Back on topic, what's the news on the A1X1K?

That is so studpid. Why do people keep on trying to change the x1000 to A1X1K?

Dammy, are you doing this on purpose? CUSA are trying to trivialize aeons Amigaone X1000 because of their own Amiga 1000X?

[takemehomegrandma]

@Kesa

Probably for the same reason people say "Peg" instead of Pegasos, "A1" instead of "amigaone" and "Sam" instead of "Samantha": It's shorter and easier to write!

There is no need to "trivialize" the the A1X1K, no need for conspiracy theories; its prohibitively high price, its crappy price/performance ratio and OS4's substandard features/performance will ensure it will never become more than a parenthesis even in the OS4 branch of NG OS's...

[djrikki]

A1X1K.. lame how is that easier to type unless your caps lock is broken, pathetic excuse.

You mean the AmigaOne X1000, the next generation Amiga/AmigaOS computer.

[minator]

I agree, My Motorola Atrix would more than likely out perform the x1000, and has the software support to do so.

Nope, not even close.

OTOH this is likely to close the gap considerably:
http://www.nufrontsoft.com/en/cpzx/eed31e97-d916-4441-8aa1-6f6413a692f9155.html

[Norway]

@Kesa

it will never become more than a parenthesis even in the branch of NG OS's...

Just like MorphOS

[gertsy]

Making it shorter A1X1K 'aint gonna make it come out any earlier. I gave up 2 months ago and bought a new PeeCee.

[itix]

I have seen OS4 users and non-OS4 users using X1K or A1X1K more often than full length name... like A1-XE and A1-SE and uA1 are common abbreviations for Eyetech AmigaOnes.

[Kesa]

Making it shorter A1X1K 'aint gonna make it come out any earlier. I gave up 2 months ago and bought a new PeeCee.


"PeeCee"? And what is that an abbreviation for? PC? How is using "PeeCee" instead of PC going to make my life any easier? I really don't get it...

[nicholas]

I sense autism again........

[persia]

Android uses BOTH cores of your 1 GHz Tegra 2 processor. so yes it likely is more powerful....

I agree, My Motorola Atrix would more than likely out perform the x1000, and has the software support to do so. Its unlikely the X1000 will offer any revolutionary software as they are generally just playing catchup with modern PC's using antiquated hardware.

[Iggy]

I sense autism again........


+1

Seriously beyond autism.
I fear this thread has gotten bad enough to make you dumber just by reading it.

[dammy]

@Kesa

Probably for the same reason people say "Peg" instead of Pegasos, "A1" instead of "amigaone" and "Sam" instead of "Samantha": It's shorter and easier to write!

Exactly, it's not like we have never seen A2K or A3K or A4K abbreviations for the big box Amigas being used. I would be far more worried about year plus delay on production then how someone abbreviates it's name.

[jorkany]

Wow, here we are the middle of Summer 2011!

So any X1000 beta testers out there got their boards yet? If so I hope you're familiar with Linux because going by the latest released pictures that's what you're going to be running - if you ever get a board for your 700+ euros, that is.

http://imageshack.us/f/64/foto2uqb.jpg/

Funny how those pesky board revision numbers just keep going up, isn't it? Also nice that A-eon has decided to add a fan. Hey - maybe that's the ".1" in "Revsion 2.1"!

[commodorejohn]

Well, at least they've decided to put the fan somewhere in the vicinity of the stuff that generates the most heat, unlike a certain other company ;D

[Franko]

Well, at least they've decided to put the fan somewhere in the vicinity of the stuff that generates the most heat, unlike a certain other company ;D

Speaking of which... are they bankrupt yet, don't seem to hear much about them anywhere on the web these days (thank gawd)... :)

Maybe they got raided by the border patrol and all their illegal immigrant workers were shoved back over the border (hopefully Dammy got deported too)... :)

[dammy]

Speaking of which... are they bankrupt yet, don't seem to hear much about them anywhere on the web these days (thank gawd)... :)

Maybe they got raided by the border patrol and all their illegal immigrant workers were shoved back over the border (hopefully Dammy got deported too)... :)

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=255&lang=en#6855

So Franko, what's the new bet with your brother? You haven't told us yet.

[Tension]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=255&lang=en#6855

So Franko, what's the new bet with your brother? You haven't told us yet.

:roflmao:

[ribdevil1]

Serial numbers is not produced items.

My printer have the S/N : 1703A12J1397542.

How many is produced ? 1703 or 1397542 ?

[Franko]

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=255&lang=en#6855

So Franko, what's the new bet with your brother? You haven't told us yet.

What's the link meant to prove !!!

My latest bet with the brother-in-law (dunno how many time's I've got to mention that he's my brother-in-law & not my "brother") is a real good one, the bugger is going to suffer for making me listen to you for the past ruddy year... ;)

[jorkany]

Nobody?

Next month it will have been a year since A-eon accepted beta test money, and six months since A-eon claimed to have begun production. Maybe I should be asking:

Has anybody gotten their money back?

[Kesa]

Maybe they are being too ambitious? Why not just release the motherboards and forget about the complete package.

[jorkany]

Maybe they are being too ambitious? Why not just release the motherboards and forget about the complete package.

Well, they're using a stock case that's been available for a couple of years already, along with other stock components you can order from just about any PC components retailer. The "complete package" isn't the part that would be holding them up.

The board itself is being built by a reputable company and appears to be pretty much finished, except now it's Revision 2.1 when it was Revision 2.0 just a couple of months ago so not sure how far that delayed things. A-eon has announced twice so far that they're going into production (March 18 and again June 7) so it seems like the board is ready to roll.

The big delay seems to be the software.

[_ThEcRoW]

Betatesters have payed without getting the boards???. I think they would pay when receiving.

[commodorejohn]

You'd think in this community people would be a little leerier of long-term preorder arrangements...

[haywirepc]

Maybe this "new beginning" will be available by 2012. The problem is, this new beginnings system specs were already slow in 2009.

The insistence of hyperion to stay on power pc is utterly dissapointing.

What a waste of a beautiful operating system.

[commodorejohn]

What's really disappointing isn't the PowerPC thing, but their dead-set refusal to take advantage of the surfeit of really decent PPC hardware out there. As I recall from the PA6T benchmarks I've seen, the X1000 (may/will) be only marginally better than my Power Mac G5, which is the low-end model, and which I got for a grand total of $25 + S/H. If they pulled a MorphOS and made custom boards an option instead of a requirement, the OS4 crowd would instantly have available a broad range of significantly more powerful and infinitely more affordable systems to choose from.

[NovaCoder]

I don't think the question is now even 'when will it come out?', the question is 'what happens next for OS4 after it is released?'

A hardware launch that shifts only double digit figures cannot be considered a success by the people involved and I can't see how they're ever going to sell more than 100 units.

[psxphill]

If they pulled a MorphOS and made custom boards an option instead of a requirement, the OS4 crowd would instantly have available a broad range of significantly more powerful and infinitely more affordable systems to choose from.

It's difficult to justify the development cost of porting to out of date hardware, plus they'd be going head to head with MorphOS. I don't think the X1000 is going to work out, but Apple hardware wouldn't be a wise move either.

They need something new & cheap.

[Kesa]

It's difficult to justify the development cost of porting to out of date hardware, plus they'd be going head to head with MorphOS. I don't think the X1000 is going to work out, but Apple hardware wouldn't be a wise move either.

They need something new & cheap.

Exactly. They should move over to ARM. ARM is fast and cheap.

[commodorejohn]

It's difficult to justify the development cost of porting to out of date hardware, plus they'd be going head to head with MorphOS. I don't think the X1000 is going to work out, but Apple hardware wouldn't be a wise move either.

They need something new & cheap.
Could be, could be. I just mean that if they do want to stick with PPC, they'd save a lot of time and money (and have a better end product) going the MOS route. (Anyway, whatever architecture they pick there's always going to be competing products. If it's ARM they'll just wind up going against native AROS, whenever that gets finished, and x86 already has it.)

[takemehomegrandma]

Betatesters have payed without getting the boards???. I think they would pay when receiving.

They paid €750 as a pre-payment upon joining the Lab-rat pack (and agreed to not being considered as real consumers, legally speaking), and they will have to pay the remaining money (minus some unknown discount) when the boards finally ships.

It was most certainly a way for Hyperion/Aeon to finance R&D and production of the thing...

[gertsy]

Just release it already.!!!
Perhaps they've contacted C= USA and are waiting for them to mold a new Vic20 case to put it in.....

Sorry a bit below the belt....

[martin.demsky]

To me, Amiga was like Elvis Presley or Rolls Royce, but now i dunno. I always liked Commodore and Apple, because these machines were based on same Motorola CPUs and now Apple is perfect example how relatively closed HW can survive.

AmigaOne X1000 is ambitious project, but relatively expensive and all that depends on software you know... we will see.

[jorkany]

Happy September everybody!

Well not only has it been about a year since A-eon started taking money for the X1000 beta, it's also a month since the beta units were supposedly shipped. So it's time to ask again:

Any beta testers get your boards yet?

[wawrzon]

on a polish portal exec.pl a user has been allowed to post fotos of setup he received:
http://www.exec.pl/forum/posts/list/1096.page
so i guess they do deliver now.

[jorkany]

on a polish portal exec.pl a user has been allowed to post fotos of setup he received:
http://www.exec.pl/forum/posts/list/1096.page
so i guess they do deliver now.

Thanks for the info! I don't read Polish, but I see he also has the case - I assume he bought that separately?

[DCAmiga]

Thanks for the info! I don't read Polish, but I see he also has the case - I assume he bought that separately?

Me either :roflmao: just did a IE Translate to English, this is what "coupler" posts:

At the request of readers I put pics. I found that it dragged a little and I'll be posting another foty gradually added, the model of the promotional campaign of one hardware emulator. So the first day AmigaOne X1000 disc Still cieplutka box. Fotka on the background of his new home. Set before submitting. AmigaOne X1000 second day after the initial installation computer, wiring remains. One of the elements of the equipment is high quality memory from Kingston HyperX series of advanced cooling system. Graphical my computer is the heart of Radeon HD 4770, while the first and only family of R700 GPU manufactured at 40nm process technology, which became the standard until the age of Radeon HD 5xxx. In the ASUS Formula, which is decided on the merits cooling system. Verges on kitsch wzronictwo is here compensated by the excellent performance to reach up to 33% lower temperature than the standard Radeon class. To post does not become too heavy in the reception, I decided from now on put pics scaled oscillating within the limits of 640x480 pixels. The full resolution will he published on his website. here are links to today's X1000 third day today I give you a break from watching Nemo photo, you give other associated topics, but I promise that tomorrow the red disc home again appear in the pictures. Nemo 2.1 has a standard connector for legacy PATA drives, but SATA dominates. So I based my config on the devices only the new standard. Pictured HDD 3.5-inch openings can be seen also in the smaller 2.5 inch drives, which is a universal standard for the X1000 housing. pockets can be easily and conveniently drawn from the case without a screwdriver, you can just lightly press two fingers protruding plaque. This time the hero of the picture is less tough guy, who for several years served as a factory drive I plugged into the Playstation 3 console In addition Nemo 2.1 and memory in the package I found the CD with a special version of AmigaOS 4.1 for X1000. It is known, however, that retail customers will receive a more advanced solution and AmigaOS version of this issue to them, never misses. To disguise my personal betaterskiego number on the board put the beta tester badge, which is one of the small bonuses that we have received already.

[Akiko]

That case looks pretty good.

[wawrzon]

That case looks pretty good.

i think the case looks rather selfmade, probably mimicking aeon design before it become available. the logo seems to be adhesive foil print lot much alike the photos of prototype case posted on awnet. but i might err.

[number6]

@thread


The AmigaOne X1000 Experience - Steven Solie (http://www.solie.ca/files/0e0dea75818f2aab94fd140f2851f697-14.html)

#6

[Delta]

This is just great :) Now let's have enough software/games to run on it and they might get my credit card number.

[Kesa]

That's cool. Did they change the case design with the boing ball? It looks different. So now that someone has actually got one of these things does anyone know what we can do with the xmos? Also is the cost justified?

[commodorejohn]

Hmm. Well, it's real, it's not a generic x86 board, and at the very least it's less expensive than the Barrymiga. Still not something I'd pay $2300 for, though.

Also, am I the only one who doesn't actually like the boing-ball as a logo? Checkmark was way better.

[nicholas]

Hmm. Well, it's real, it's not a generic x86 board, and at the very least it's less expensive than the Barrymiga. Still not something I'd pay $2300 for, though.

Also, am I the only one who doesn't actually like the boing-ball as a logo? Checkmark was way better.

I feel the same, that's why I chose it as our official logo. :)

[Tension]

+1 for checkmark logo

[runequester]

Definately prefer the checkmark. I guess there's some trademark issues though, at least a while back when I asked amigakit about providing a keyboard with the checkmark on it

[nicholas]

Definately prefer the checkmark. I guess there's some trademark issues though, at least a while back when I asked amigakit about providing a keyboard with the checkmark on it

Not for us there isn't, any product we launch will proudly display the rainbow checkmark logo.

[number6]

Definately prefer the checkmark. I guess there's some trademark issues though, at least a while back when I asked amigakit about providing a keyboard with the checkmark on it


Well, that plus perhaps:
After 13 years, the Boing Ball became the official logo, finally banishing the ghost of the Amiga checkmark.

source (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/logo.html)

People might also find this document helpful in understanding decisions made:

http://aminet.net/search?query=trademark

The intention, given time, is to keep this document up to date.

#6

[persia]

At £1500 I'm not interested, at £750 I would consider it, at £500 I probably would buy it....

[Jose]

Checkmark all the way here!

[commodorejohn]

Well, that plus perhaps:
After 13 years, the Boing Ball became the official logo, finally banishing the ghost of the Amiga checkmark.
Yeah, well, I'm long past care what is or isn't official ;P Checkmark forever!

[vox]

But PPC Macs can run Windows up to and including XP Professional in emulation .

Being a hobbyist and home user,I COULD set up my G4 to boot into Mac OS Leopard,Ubuntu (or another) Linux,or MorphOS.

Run Windows using Virtual PC in Mac OS.

Run OS4 emulation in Morph OS ?

Probably can run some emulators of old consoles in MacOS or even run emulators in Windows (itself running in emulation).

Might have to rename my computer Sybil.

Having at least Yellow Dog Linux at least as full wrapped package with OpenOffice, Firefox etc. would be good for X1000. Sadly, even A-EON decided just to do Linux kernel

[Tension]

still can't believe they announced this sooo long ago, saying 'we wont have to wait til summer' etc. what a joke. Something must've been SERIOUSLY wrong with the boards they had when the announcement was made.

[vox]

still can't believe they announced this sooo long ago, saying 'we wont have to wait til summer' etc. what a joke. Something must've been SERIOUSLY wrong with the boards they had when the announcement was made.

Even that the boards were posible to produce at that time (which we have seen just recently), AmigaOS 4 wasn`t mature at all to support the board features. Now we see beta testing is needed for NEW AmigaOS features

Here you can read about the hardware side of the X1000.
Beta testers finally have hands on it. Now, we need AmigaOS 4.2 developed for good of all, and Amiga will be back .. in 2011/2012?

http://www.solie.ca/files/0e0dea75818f2aab94fd140f2851f697-14.html

[jorkany]

From a day-old post on amigans:

http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4942&forum=21
I am a member of the new A1-X1000 Beta test team, and eagerly await the shipment of my newest Amiga machine.
Errr, I thought the beta test machines had already shipped a couple of months ago?

Well hopefully the real beta testing can be done before the Special Edition units ship at the end of the year. After all the X1000 beta test was supposed to be very thorough and complete! Still not sure how they will beta test "X" though since none of those components are supported yet in OS4. Good luck guys!
:banana:

[eliyahu]

From a day-old post on amigans:

http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4942&forum=21

Errr, I thought the beta test machines had already shipped a couple of months ago?
most have shipped. amigakit is doing a bunch of testing on the final assembled package (such as updating the firmware, testing the DIMMs, etc.) prior to shipment to the 'beta testers' -- or at least, that is my understanding. given that there is only one guy doing that, it wouldn't have happened instantly. also the boards are being shipped all over the world. it takes weeks to clear customs in some places.

lots of people have them, lots of people are testing, lots of feedback has been given. and the final production version -- which was on display at amiwest -- was rock solid. :)

-- eliyahu

[persia]

@jorkany

Maybe the "Special Edition" is special because it's still a beta test?

Add another vote for the checkmark.

[jorkany]

@jorkany

Maybe the "Special Edition" is special because it's still a beta test?

lol

Kids who ride the "short bus" are special, because all kids are special!

[jorkany]

Hello X1000 First Contact pre-orderers!

How are you enjoying your new systems?
I assume you've gotten them by now.

[Tension]

Well this is awkward...