AmigaOne Lite first photos

[m3x]

First photos on the new AmigaOne Lite model are now available H E R E (http://www.soft3.net/pages/pictures_e.php)

This is a pre production unit.

Photos courtesy of Eyetech.


Ciao

Massimiliano Tretene, S o f t 3 (http://www.soft3.net)

[Tomas]

looks sweet!

[Kees]

Its small .... real small .. :-)

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Memory slots where?

[Varthall]

It has an ATI Radeon chipset onboard... this is really something I would have liked to see on the full sized A1 mobos, an integrated video chipset as standard as the original Amiga design. It would make it an even cooler machine, at least for demo coders :)

Varthall

[Argo]

What size it the board?
I think the memory slot is that white bar under the IDE headers right of the BIOS.

[alx]

What size it the board?

In Total Amiga, Alan said it is Micro ITX (17cm x 17cm)

[TanZyr]

Wow! Now THIS is hot. :)

If I got one, I could consider doing some of the cool projects I've seen on mini-itx.com (http://www.mini-itx.com) ...

How about an AmigaOne in a C64 case? :)

That'd be intense.

[Kees]

edit

little memory slot ...

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Kees

Its small .... real small ..

Yeah ...
I have two VIA Epia motherboards of the same form factor myself, and you will be amazed when you see them in real life. Put a CD record next to it and you will get a good reference of their size ...

[stefanjo]

Looks good. With a "not to high compared to a pc" pricetag this could sell alot :-)

[lempkee]

Roxx!! ..i am so ...GAME!!!

gimme one NOW!

[Colin_Camper]

I need one of those.... NOW! :-D

[amigamad]

The new boards are coming and still no os4 . :-? :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

The new boards are coming and still no os4 .

Define "The new boards are coming" ...? Same as in "OS4 is coming" perhaps? I have seen pictures of both! ;-)

[Argo]

Hmmm, I do have an old C64. Since I don't have the PSU I don't no if it works... I could always us one of the 1541 dirve cases. I know one of those doesn't work and it has that nifty opening for the CD!

[Argo]

Put a bunch in a tower case and network them....

[legion]

This will be my OS4 box until 4.2.

Its a great little PPC board... it should sell like hotcakes in the hobbiest and niche market.

[amigamad]

Just one thing it uses a laptop memory sim wich means it will be expensive and harder to upgrade. :-?

[takemehomegrandma]

Just one thing it uses a laptop memory sim wich means it will be expensive and harder to upgrade.

This is nothing new to the current ArticiaS users ...
;-)

[MarkTime]

Price is everything. The EPIA's are a bit pricey themselves...its a good market though, not only are they lower in CPU horsepower, and less costly to ship, and less costly to make in terms of lack of expansion options...

but people pay a premium for them. People will doubly pay a premium for a PowerPC design, well for some people that is a detractor, but for those of us in this market, its not.

BUT, BUT, it still has to be within reason.
You all can decide for yourselves, but I say it has to be less than $300 U.S. or it will be priced out of the hobbyist market and into the hardcore-amiga-fan-only-maybe-there-are-2000-at-most market.

:-D

[TallAmigan]

I see an Amiga laptop in my future......

Pretty Darn Cooooooool..................

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

[JoannaK]

Looks promicing, and they have managed to emliminate slack out of it.
Now, if they can sell it in price that's attractive it'll have nice
chances on outside Amiga-markets too.

Before commenting much more I'd like to see bottom side of board too.
:-)

EDIT .. and of course.. Date of availablility would be nice (with
priice info). Otoh, I'm sure there will be more official info at the
time it's ready to be sold.

[Panthro]

you want to get a visual idea on how big it is ???? if you look in the center you will notice the battery for the bios etc that gives you a good idea .......holy crap thats compact when can I shove it into a laptop case I just emptyied :-D ....2seconds ago!!


-Panthro

[lempkee]

its 170mm x 170mm according to alan redhouse.

anyway i hope this get priced correctly... ie like a4k vs a1200 was...

I HOPE, I WISH , i WANT IT!

[Matt_H]

Must... own... immediately!!!

I'd pay almost any price for that board in a 1200-style case.

[KennyR]

Looks like an expensive Pegasos with a buggy Articia still included.

You may flame after this line ------>8-----

[Kees]

You may flame after this line ------>8-----

No .. you may not :-)

[Floid]

Stunning.

Except for one thing:
-Onboard Radeon good, but...
-Onboard Radeon with no prospect of DVI panel interface...
... :-o

Seriously, that won't stop me buying, but it seems like an oversight that could reduce the longevity of the board. Or is there a pin header for it snuck elsewheres?

(Remember that the good ol' DVI socket does reserve space for analog signals, so assuming one *could* be/have-been crammed in to the already tight board design, you wouldn't lose analog functionality; you'd just need a fairly cheap adapter, available at any Staples or the like.)

I'm guessing this should also keep the XE the 'professional' model for the time being.

[Herewegoagain]

so assuming one *could* be/have-been crammed in to the already tight board design, you wouldn't lose analog functionality; you'd just need a fairly cheap adapter, available at any Staples or the like.)

Well, the black din connector next to the VGA looks suspiciously like an S-Video connector. That could be a bonus for connecting to TV sets etc.

[JimS]

I'd like to put one of these inside an A1000... that would be slick....

[takemehomegrandma]

I'd like to put one of these inside an A1000... that would be slick....

Hmm, wasn't there a company that put Mini-ITX motherboards in old cases, like the A1000's, old Atari consoles and stuff like that ...?

[Glaucus]

I wonder if the Radeon chip (any ideas as to which chipset they'd go with? My guess is the 7500) will have onboard memory (which I can't see on the photos) or shared memory? My guess is shared memory. Hopefully all these cut corners can bring the price of the motherboard, ram & CPU to around USD $300. If they can manage that then I can see a future for it (and in my future as well ;-) ).

- Mike

[Herewegoagain]

My guess is the 7500

I think Alan specifically mentioned the 7500 being at a good price point a while ago. I wish it had at least the 9200 core onboard, but that would increase the price. It would also increase performance though.

[JoannaK]

KennyR: Well.. It surely be interestign to see pricing of this
thingy.

[iamaboringperson]

It's nice. Not really my style though.

Shame about the cruddy RAM expansion.

[the_leander]

Laptop ram isn't that expensive when you take into account of the top flight PC stuff (Rambus and the ultra fast ddr type cost).

I'm actually impressed if I'm honest with myself. Damn you Eyetech, I may well end up buying one of these things if you ain't careful!!!!!!!!! ;-)

My missus is going to go spare when I point this to her... something along the lines of "I thought you weren't going to buy another amiga?"

I doubt very much however that should I get this board, it will ever see OS4 on it though.

All I need now is to build myself a Walker shell and the thing shall be complete! :-o


Damn the lad who mentioned mini-itx.com, I almost bought one of the boards off of them. Would make a nice little bsd/linux box. £75 for a complete system.... insane!

[SyrTran]

@takemehomegrandma


Hmm, wasn't there a company that put Mini-ITX motherboards in old cases, like the A1000's, old Atari consoles and stuff like that ...?

RetroSystem (http://www.retrosystem.com/)

The picture on the front page shows somebody that many here might recognize. :-)
In fact, RetroSystem is run by somebody else many here might recognize - see the copyright at the bottom of the page. :-D

[Ohno]

Very cool. I was thinking about buying this (http://www.mini-box.com/m100.htm) thing, but I might find this AmigaOne light more compelling if the price is right ;-)

[ksk]

"I think Alan specifically mentioned the 7500 being at a good price point a while ago. "

Argh! They should not aim BELOW XBOX specs!!

[lempkee]

i hope for some info about this asap!

i am really hungry atm!!

me wants!!!!!

[the_leander]

Argh! They should not aim BELOW XBOX specs!!

XBox on paper uses a Geforce4 chip, in reality this chip runs at the same speed as a Geforce2mx....

I'm not 100% certain but I think that the chip in the A1 is in the same ball park performance wise.

I'll have to go find some info on this to backup this though...

on with the show :-D

[Kent]

This would be my perfect upgrade path for my next Amiga system, pending the pricing for the board. I'd be willing to pay no higher than $300 for the board with 64MB memory and processor (G3 or G4). I'm not looking for heavy performance but rather something I can have to play with to get my Amiga fix. Swap out the Atricia S for an Sa or P with or without OS4 and I'm all over this thing.

Now to start looking at deep flat panel monitors. :D

:pint:

[lempkee]

Xbox is an example of what you can do with a x86 hw.., sell it for nothing with 3 games included and now they have a new deal...with 5 games and 2 controllers , but still people aint buying them..

why is ps2 the king ? ... not the price anyway!

anyway if the amigaone lite is priced within certain range (ie for the entry level user) then
i am pretty sure it will be a success..

cheers

[Argo]

An Amiga Tablet?

[Hammer]

Xbox is an example of what you can do with a x86 hw.., sell it for nothing with 3 games included and now they have a new deal...with 5 games and 2 controllers , but still people aint buying them..
For numbers, refer to
http://www.forbes.com/home_asia/newswire/2003/07/17/rtr1029253.html

http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/2206531

http://www.gamemarke****ch.com/news/item.asp?nid=2728

[Hammer]

XBox on paper uses a Geforce4 chip, in reality this chip runs at the same speed as a Geforce2mx....
It’s alot closer to an integrated Geforce 4 MX 420 (with shared memory) with a DirectX 8.X GPU core (with data compression tricks).

From memory;
XBOX's total bandwidth is '128bit x 266Mhz DDR' (similar to the nForce I's bandwidth) .

Bandwidth of 64bit x 133Mhz (~1 GB/s) is for Pentium III/Celeron hybrid. The rest of the total bandwidth(i.e. ~4GB/s) is distributed to APU (similar to Nvidia’s Sound Storm) and GPU. In terms audio solution, it blows away the VIA686B’s Via audio solution.

[lempkee]

hammer: and? it aint selling...sure it sells good in us , but compared to any sale for a console the xbox has bombed!

pure crap + its falling apart!..

and it auto update software so its a matter of days before it gets banned in many countries!

[lempkee]

banned. or just ignored..
(updating sw aint legal if the user doesnt have a option to say YES I AGRE (and some terms) OR NO THANX! etc)


+ it crash....never seen a console in my life that actually crashed! unless the medium was broken.

[the_leander]

it crash....never seen a console in my life that actually crashed! unless the medium was broken.

I've seen playstations and Dreamcasts crash on odd occations. But not so often as to wonder but for a moment before carrying on where you left off.

XBox.... games here in the uk are STILL £10 than for the equivilent game for the gamecube or ps2... what good is a cheep console if you're going to be taking it up the backside (not litterally obviously) every time you buy a game?

That and its plain ugly, not to mention it wieghs more than my water cooled athlon pc. Carrying it from the shop to your car has been known to injure peoples backs!!! (OK I can't back that up but I'd not be suprised at all if it did).

[JimS]

Hmm, wasn't there a company that put Mini-ITX motherboards in old cases, like the A1000's, old Atari consoles and stuff like that ...?

Yeah.. that's Kermit Woodall's outfit. ... But this is an AMIGA! in an old Amiga case. :-D

[Argo]

From the like topic at ANN (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1063907025&category=news&number=66#comment)

By: Ben Hermans (Trusted user) Regarding the A1 light

> It will have USB 2.0.
>
> The VIA 686B is only used for things like mouse and keyboard, serial,
> parallel.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the idea was to put a Raid controller on
> the thing.
>
> The CPU card can be swapped out (uses the same Megarray as the
> AmigaOne).
>
> Firewire undecided.

[Hammer]

hammer: and? it aint selling...sure it sells good in us , but compared to any sale for a console the xbox has bombed!

That was not the issue. Anyway, XBOX was introduced later than the PS2.


pure crap + its falling apart!..

That was not the issue.

It’s false to claim that “but still people aren’t buying them..”. The numbers I posted is more accurate than your claims.

compared to any sale for a console the xbox has bombed!
Note that Nintendo’s ‘Game Cube’ is coming third in the console battles. Careful with
"any sale for a console".

[lempkee]

ermm old news, i read this 2 months ago.

Usb2.0 , 133mzh pci (1) , IDE RAID controller (4 devices max) Udma,2xAgp Onboard , Ac97 sound ,Cardbus slot , 10/100/1000 Mbit ethernet , IEEE 1394 Firewire + usual legacy stuff.
TV out /ntsc/pal , PCI RiserCard (ie an 4 slot extension maybe?)


also floppy drives for usb does excist so all you need to do is rip out yer old amiga floppy and insert it into yer usb case...or maybe not :)

Cpu is changeable , but it doesnt say anything about clocking....also a last note must be that this is proto and by all means not a final product.

[System]

Cute, but how much does it cost?

Can I get it without paying Amiga Tax? I just want a board to run Freevo on, considering all the mini ITX boards I've seen so far have crappy VIA/S3 graphics, a Radeon of any sort would be welcome :)

[Siggy]

It looks very nice, but no fire wire = no buy for me I'm afraid.

I'm at that stage in life where I have to justify my purchases - it sucks to be a grown up.

Siggy

[Eric_Z]

Posted by Olegil on ANN.lu (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1063907025&category=news&number=79#comment)


But as to the question of permission to host the pictures... ;-)

Max was a bit quick on this one. But as long as everyone understands that this is a pre-production board (and I realise that my own comment above only adds to the confusion, sorry. I was half-asleep and very confused myself at the time :-) ) we shouldn't have a problem. The specs from this picture seems to be like I mentioned above, the final board will have USB2 and IEEE1394, apparently.

[EntilZha]

Looks like an expensive Pegasos with a buggy Articia still included.

Hmm, do you see a price tag ? So how can you say it's expensive ?

Plus, it says *preproduction prototype*. That means it's a prototype, and it's not the thing that will go into production.

But I'm sure you know that.

You may flame after this line ------>8-----

Wow, really intelilgent comment. Great, we need more people like you ;-)

[lempkee]

enthilza: well a price would be very cool now,
so i know if i should get this baby or not..

[olegil]

I frelling hate these online forums. Can't post anything anywhere without reading it somewhere else half an hour later. Maybe I should just become a hermit?

[Casper]

@the_leander

XBox on paper uses a Geforce4 chip, in reality this chip runs at the same speed as a Geforce2mx....


It uses a special version of a GeForce3 core, kind of like a GeForce 3.5.

[EntilZha]

@lempkee

well a price would be very cool now,

I fully agree. I'd like to know te price as well. Don't know it yet, though... (That's why I think others don't know it, either ;-) )

[Colin_Camper]

I don't see the point in comparing this with the latest PC or console specs.
Before we can get the software that would make a difference we need at least a million OS/4 users. In the mean time it makes sense to go for mid level specs and compare what we're getting with the best OS3.9 machine available.
Not too dusty IMHO! ;-)

[olegil]

Bah, you're obviously wrong ;-)

This is an outrage, there are entry level servers with more CPU power than a low-level Amiga. We can't live with this. Eyetech needs to provide us with at least a gazillion million instructions per second, at no cost and using no power (I need to use it from a penlight battery).

Realism sucks, eh? :-)

[lempkee]

oleegil: hahah ...eg vet at du digger denne saken!..

TELL US THE PRICE ...oh and lets hope the gfx chip will be great , ie not too old and not too new (to keep price down) ..

This is very important for the next buyers! , the cheaper the more will consider it...

[redfox]

Just when I thought I might have to settle on an AmigaOne G3-XE ;-)

Hope we hear more info soon.

I see an upgrade coming for the Amiga 500 and Amiga 1200, plus a tablet style Amiga. :-D

---------------
redfox

[olegil]

I have NO idea of price. We'll all have to wait. But if you really want an XE with a G3 or G4, I would say go for that ;-)

I think my next purchase will be an A1-lite, but I only have the SE from before, so...

[Paul_Gadd]

Yes tell us the price, but knowing the Amiga market it will be pricey.

Second mortgage here we come :-)

[the_leander]

lempkee wrote on another thread:

this site has moved on to mos only for quite a while now

Hmm, smells like BS to me, given that this is a news item about *shock* *horror* an amiga!!!!

@ Everyone
Amiga.org as far as news sites go is fairly unbiased, covering whatever comes out when it comes out, it's just that Gensai <sp?> seem to be more active at the moment.

I say fair play to Eyetech for comming up with this, and to Amiga.org for proving my long standing belief in them, and shame on the people here who are helping this polarisation to continue regardless of which side of the fence you sit on.

@the moderators

I'm sorry if this seems a little flamey, its just that I feel that a lot of the flack comming from certain quarters of the comunity is utterly unjustified(and utterly stupid) given what A.org have done for the comunity in keeping it informed.

Mod away if you feel necesary, I feel better now :-D

[lempkee]

leander: hi allan , you know why that comment was in that post! , draggin that in here was just silly :)

and it wasnt about amounts of news items , it was the constant slagging...

go have fun now :) ...what about some QUAKEworld?

[Argo]

Wow, really intelilgent comment. Great, we need more people like you

I think we need more people like you. Can we clone you? :-D

[Argo]

Inquiring minds want to now. I'm sure the manufacture and reseller{s} really like seeing this kind of demand for a product. We'll just have to wait and see. I know it's not someting Amigans do well. Just hope that development moves right along.
Of course, you could just take it as an advance notice to start saving your pennies, pence, or what have you.

[JurassicCamper]

I fully agree. I'd like to know te price as well. Don't know it yet, though... (That's why I think others don't know it, either ;-) )

I'm sure if you ask Alan nicely he will send you a free developer one ;-)