AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm

[sdyates]

I heard from one Amiga reseller that someone with clout should be making an annoucement soon. Soon could be 6 months to a year in the Amiga time zone.

I understand the hyperion still rates this a significant issue and is continuing work on OS4.0.

Has anyone heard any quantifiable news on this issue. I have spent months searching and have gotten nowhere!

Thanks,
Simon

[dillinger]

you mean the never ending rumblings about the Elbox SharkPPC, ACK's PowerVixxen, the Amy05, TheEfrika (or whatever it's called) or the new production runs of AmigaONEs?? Which "rumblings" in particular do you mean? There have been so many over the years that I've lost count.

And more to the point, who really cares.If these companies are able and want to release the hardware, they simply will in their own time. And when they are ready to release something they will not announce it via some obscure word-of-mouth "rumbling" tactic, you can be sure of that. I guess this latest rumbling is yet more wishful thinking from the dudes at amigaworld.com.

btw, Pegasos/MorphOS systems are actually available right now to buy. So who needs AOS4. :-D http://morphosppc.com/

[magnetic]

Sdyates

Do yourself a favour man and Get a Peg2 with morphos. Its more compatible, had more programs, more users, and more fun that OS4 Atm. And the hw is great, you can run latest linux kernels and run MacOSX Tiger!

magentic

[xeron]

magnetic wrote:
Its more compatible,


Theres really not that much in it, if you're talking 68k apps. OS4 isn't as "incompatible" as certain people seem keen to point out.


had more programs,


OS4Depot has over 1000 files, and grows daily. OS4 has its fair share of developers.


more users,


There is absolutely no proof of that. How many people bought a Peg for MOS compared to A1 sales? Who can really say with certainty?


and more fun that OS4 Atm.


Purely subjective. OS4 provides me with a fantastic Amiga experience, and I use it every day.

[Tempest]

Hi Sdyates,

Like the others said, if you want to run a nextgen Amiga OS 'now' just get yourself a Pegasos II board, the hardware is bugfree and available. Besides MorphOS you have a great choice of different Linux distro's and you can even run MacOSX if you want. You won't regret it, MorphOS is very Amiga like and it's very compatible.

Look on the following sites for more info:

MorphZone (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/)
Pegasos-Forum (German) (http://www.pegasosforum.de/)
Pegasos.org (http://www.pegasos.org/)
Ambient Open Source Team (http://www.ambient-desktop.org/)
MorphOS News (http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=de)

~tempest

[Tempest]

Hi xeron,

I don't want to start a flamewar but:


xeron wrote:

magnetic wrote:
Its more compatible,


Theres really not that much in it, if you're talking 68k apps. OS4 isn't as "incompatible" as certain people seem keen to point out.


I visit AWN regular because I'm also interested in the development of OS4, it's a nice OS. Sometimes I read about classic Amiga software not working on OS4 out of the box. Strangly the same software just works on MorphOS. And in future it's gone be worse with the planned memory protection for OS4 more classic software will fail to run on OS4.


had more programs,


OS4Depot has over 1000 files, and grows daily. OS4 has its fair share of developers.
[/quote]

There is also much source code listed on OS4Depot and much of the software are just recompiled linux/sdl games and utils. MOS has that too, but there's also lot's of MOS native software available.


more users,


There is absolutely no proof of that. How many people bought a Peg for MOS compared to A1 sales? Who can really say with certainty?
[/quote]

For one thing, MorphOS is also available for classic Amiga users who are fortunate enough to have hardware which is supported. And don't forget, hardware to run MorphOS is available now, the MOS community is slowly growing. That can't be said about the OS4 community, there's no hardware available.


and more fun that OS4 Atm.


Purely subjective. OS4 provides me with a fantastic Amiga experience, and I use it every day.[/quote]
[/quote]

And that's just great, enjoy your choice! I enjoy my choice because it gives me that Amiga experience I want.

~tempest

[number6]

@sdyates

Re:AmigaOne boards
A small consignment was announced by Amont-Informatique that would be going out to AmigaOne dealers.
Some with CPU, some contingent on ACKcontrols CPU replacements/upgrades.
As an example, Softhut was contacted and it was reported they would only be getting 2 boards, with
a pre-existing waiting list for 40.

Re:New Amiga Hardware
Please see the links in this "news" article concerning new Amiga hardware scheduled for BB4 and Amiwest:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46625

#6

[Gojirax]

I'm just chiming in on the "Amiga" side here because it appears there is a lack of that perspective except for Tempest.

I don't have MorphOS or an A1 or Peg2 etc. I just run AOS 3.9 and will wait for Amiga OS4 because to me it seems more authentic. (Purely a subjective view I know.)

I'll patiently wait for word on the OS4 front.

[pierre]

don't be silly, there is no OS4.0, I don't think there will ever be such a thing. Authentic? why becasue it has Amiga in is name? It a joke dude, it does not exist! MorphOS is cool the next logical step for the amiga...VERY amiga authentic. I actualy like Amithlon becaus it runs in intel/AMD rather than PPC. Anything PPC has no future, not even in a mac. There are lot of REAL amiga ppl involved in the morphOS project it plenty authentic,( at actualy exists NOT VAPORWARE!) maybe hyperion is even more authentic bacause they have NO idea how to run a bussines and generaly are unimpressive. Nobody is as authentic as amiga.org.... and nobody sucks harder. Rembember the amiga was cool inspit of commodore NOT bcasue of commodore.....
OS 4.0 hahaha right, BTW I have a bride in brooklin that you maybe interested in... real cheep...

[Matt_H]

@ pierre

Can we stop the "No, only MOS/OS4 is the True Successor to the Amiga!", please? They're both damn good OSes.

[benJamin]

The only reason Hyperion have lasted this long is because they do know how to run a business. And their 'staff' haven't deserted them, so they're obviously being treated somewhat satisfactorially.

From memory, the only reason they were able to get as far as they did in the first place is because they run from a business point of view, not a developer's one.

OS4 is not vapourware, I've seen it running, something which I can't speak of for MorphOS. This makes me consider OS4 to be more well-known; it may be that it is more readily adopted upon release of OS5 (zealotry will get you everywhere).

And finally, how many non-laptop portable computers run on x86 architecture? Compare how many run on a RISC-based architecture. Who cares if the PPC has lost in the desktop/server market? This is not the sector of the industry consumerism is tending toward.


benJamin

Leela: "Soon enough."
Fry: "But, that's not soon enough!"

[pierre]

sure they are both cool. I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler. There is no successor the amiga line, the amiga line is DEAD. Linux/BDS (osx is BSD) was the only place for serious users to go if you don;t want to use microsoft crap. Seriously if hyperion was going to release os 4.0 97/98 would have been the time! I don't understand how you can still be waiting for something that will not happen. When and if hyperion show me that they are serious I will consider this os4.0 you are speaking of... UNTIL THEN OS 3.1!

[pierre]

sure ben... hyperion has run a fantastic business... they are why we are here.(not!) You have not seen morph OS, you sould check it out....ITS NOT AN AMIGA and neither is that amigaONE/WB4.0...thing, which I WOULD like to see in action. I don't recall anybody that worked for hyperion having much good to say about them? And boy we have come such a far way in the last 15 years, wow impressive....

[benJamin]

Who said anything about what was(n't) an Amiga? I don't class my MSI motherboard as an Amiga, but it still runs AROS and AmigaOS3.1, so I still get to use my Amiga-centric programs in an Amiga-centric enviroment. Sure, it's not quite as nice as the real thing, but my real machines are on sabatical until I move to the next house, except one which I'm leeching all the files off to do some nostalgia releasing.

And, honestly, if you don't think OS4/MorphOS/AROS are Amiga, then you are not considering the identifying quantity of such a title: the user that operates them.

Amithlon is an Amiga, because the user is an Amigan and the software utilises the hardware through a familiar set of libaries and a logical, easy-to-identify with file structure which does not obfuscate important infrastructure. If you don't like the 'Format' dialogue, just replace it. The 'Info' window not providing enough interoperability? There are many replacements. Everything can be changed to suit the intended application by supplementing the original components in a system-friendly manner.

These things, combined with religious zealotry, are what makes an Amiga what it is. The (re)actions of a lot of people on this site only prove that ALL of the machines which claim to be successors to the Amiga are Amigas themselves.

Finally, the 'Classic' Amiga line is not dead. I still use it, as do many others; there are any number of hobbiest projects attempting to replicate and/or propagate the humble design of those ex-Atari geniuses we constantly seem to forget.

benJamin

"Objection! Badgering the witness!"

[SyrTran]

@pierre

I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.
:-?
You're comparing MorphOS to something you've never seen?!??

I don't understand how you can still be waiting for something that will not happen.
You've never seen the Mars rovers, so they didn't happen (but, boy, those were some fine photoshops!)

You've never seen the Gulf stream, so it doesn't exist. (Europe stays nice and warm, though)

You've never seen a Mustang SVO, so they were never built. (Hint: look at my avatar)

You've never seen me, so I must not be here. (This must be a bot, then)

Oh, excuse me, the magic fairies inside my A1 that run it and connect it to the internet are fighting again, so I have to go. Now, where did I put that miniature whip...

[Lando]

sdyates wrote:
I heard from one Amiga reseller that someone with clout should be making an annoucement soon.

An announcement about what? Announcements are in abundant supply. It's actual results that are lacking.


Soon could be 6 months to a year in the Amiga time zone.


Wow, talk about optimism! Actually 'soon' is generally 5 years to never in Amiga circles.


I understand the hyperion still rates this a significant issue and is continuing work on OS4.0.


They have no choice but to keep working on OS4. They can't release it, or adapt it to run on existing hardware, because of their stupid licence agreement with Amiga Inc.


Has anyone heard any quantifiable news on this issue. I have spent months searching and have gotten nowhere!


There is no quantifiable news. Mai is dead. Their hardware didn't work properly. Eyetech lost lots of money on the AmigaOne and is MIA for over a year. Amiga Inc is nothing but a drawer in Garry Hare's mail box. There will never be any more AmigaOnes.

[redrumloa]

@benJamin

OS5?

:lol:

[Kronos]

@benjamin

I would rather ask wether Hyperion is really a buisness, or just a hobby with a buisness-licence (in case some money comes in).

The plan to develop OS4 "comercially" as it was born in 2001 was based on lots of false premises, and what ever they do now in terms of "buissness" is, has more to do with limiting damage.

If OS4 would have to pay all it's developers a full wage, the money generated form it's sales would have run out after a week or so, allmost 5 years ago....

[pierre]

o.k.
@syrTran
I have not see an amigaOne in person. Over the last 6 years I have looked at a pictures and done reseach.... At this point in history I'm not NAIVE enough to think this well actualy happen. Every thing I hear points to the fact that this effort is failing. ( another sad chapter in amiga history... )
The other day I had a chance to see morphOS in action. It was very nice and at seems that you can actualy buy one if you like. (unlike the amigaONE!) MorphOS is done and has been done for a LONG time. (unlike amigaONE/OS4) I'm not ruling it out but I don't think I'm going to get it either... I don't want to be on PPC... (beside it did not exactly work out for morphOS either...sadly)
If I get any PPC I hope to put it into one of my Classic Amiga boxes, just to trick it all the way out! Because I love my amigas, thats why I'm here in the first place...

@ben
cool I use my classic amigas still also, they are soo cool!
The platform is however generaly DEAD, they won't make any new ones. Aside form a small group of developers not much new development is happening, that the definition of a dead hardware platform. Another example: dreamcast is dead. I still play mine but sega killed it. Thats just the way it goes. Sorry.

It's true I don't realy consider these new(isch) machines to be Amiga, they are hibirds.. something new alltogether, that's why this whole classic thing started! I feel like the classic machines are more "authentic". It's O.k. I realy like linux and am knee deep in that now..it will be a long while befor os4 OR morphOS (closed source!a fe developers) will catch up to where linux is today with this very cool "open source" culture, there are 1000 (or more) developers ACTIVLY making the product better, honestly the open source movement feel more like an extension of the amiga spirt TO ME. I picked up linux just as amiga was winding down and it was an easy transition. I can say enough good things about linux. I think UAE even stated on linux or maybe some old UNIX box.. whats the differnece
sorry long answer I just hink I am being misunderstood here.

cheers,
Pierre
:pint:

[T_Bone]

benJamin wrote:
The only reason Hyperion have lasted this long is because they do know how to run a business.

If your goalpost is nothing more than "lasting", knowing how to run a business isn't necessary, just register your trademark and go to sleep for a decade.

2) ???
3) Profit!

And their 'staff' haven't deserted them, so they're obviously being treated somewhat satisfactorially.

No they haven't deserted, but some are pissed, and while not deserting, have released publically the license they hate, that has prevented anyone save a few from using their work.

I doubt they are getting what you can make at Burgerking part-time though. They only sold ~1000 units, and even at $100 a pop, how many employees can you feed for a decade on that?

From memory, the only reason they were able to get as far as they did in the first place is because they run from a business point of view, not a developer's one.

I don't think they can be attributed to either model. Both a business and a developer would have made sure they were not put into a situation where they had product they couldn't sell. If it wern't for the license scheme, OS4 could be sold today, on existing hardware.

I think of the way Hyperion/Amiga Inc/Eyetech did things more as a "good ole boy" network in some small backwater southern town, where the head of the school board sells his personal property to the school district, and the bus fleet has to use gas from the school board presidents sons gas station.
(Oh my, sounds like LILLINGTON NC, mercy me!)

And finally, how many non-laptop portable computers run on x86 architecture?

How many non-laptop portable computers does AOS4 run on?

Who cares if the PPC has lost in the desktop/server market?

Nobody, as most people who do care are IN the desktop market. Obviously those with no need for PPC won't care about it's demise.

This is not the sector of the industry consumerism is tending toward.

Correct. the consumers are buying Laptops. :lol:

[benJamin]

As usual, most of my comments should be tasted with a pinch of salt and a dash of pepper, but...

@redrumloa
You'd suppose that OS4 was going to be the money-spinner? :roll:

@Kronos
The damage has been done, but I would like to hope that their continued efforts come to something, rather than naught (like most of AIncs other cross-licensing schemes).

@pierre
Though, people are still eeking out part of their living by helping us ensure that our machines stay functioning, whether it be providing services, repairs, or parts. The couple of cents here and there are still a money flow. There are still commercial entities who rely upon these small-time folk, who probably make most of their money on other products outside the scope of 'Amiga', to keep some of their services running.

It is unfortunate, however, that by-and-large, these few remaining customers are converting to PCs, as the AOne fell through, they're sick of waiting, and Pegasos and the like are considered a 'why would we bother, we only kept the other machines 'cause they do their jobs and hardly ever fail?'. (Supposedly, the FDD's are the most failure-prone part of the system).

Using + upkeeping + developing = living (though life-support is becoming expensive).

@T Bone
Suppose the size of the pond between Deutschland and America is wide and tretcherous. I don't think it was merely balls that got them screwed to the wall where they are now, but it's definitely more than just balls that help them work there, sweating and aching and striving for release.

The question was not AOS4, it was any OS (proprietary or otherwise). And I'm not talking about Palms or such, I'm considering the most prolific electronic devices on the planet. Maybe AROS won't do much different than Simbian on a Nokia, but I'd sure-as-hell like to give it a whirl!


To those people who made efforts and have seen them stifled by the way of the contracts, I feel very concerned for the situation. I long for the day I can enjoy the fruits of such labour on every device I own, with or without emulation, including the toaster and fridge.


I try not to come across as naive, but sometimes the best way to get a message through is to coat it in cotton buds and bubble wrap so that it doesn't hurt so much when it's bounced back at you.


benJamin
"I apologise for helping thoroughly hijack this thread."

[Matt_H]

@ all

:horse:

We've heard it all before.

[coldfish]

The horse isnt dead...

...he's just resting until next time.

[Angus]

sdyates wrote:
I heard from one Amiga reseller that someone with clout should be making an annoucement soon. Soon could be 6 months to a year in the Amiga time zone.Thanks,
Simon

Nice wind-up. I particuarly liked the subject line. :lol:

[bloodline]

coldfish wrote:
The horse isnt dead...

...he's just resting until next time.

Monty Python actually wrote a sketch about this... Michael Palin plays a deluded Amigan...

-Edit-
Ok... Lets have some Search and replace fun:


Dead AmigaOS Sketch



The cast:

MR. PRALINE
John Cleese
SHOP OWNER
Michael Palin



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The sketch:

A customer enters a Computer shop.

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(The owner does not respond.)

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

Owner: What do you mean "miss"?

Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

Owner: We're closin' for lunch.

Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this AmigaOS what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the AmigaONE and AmigaOS4...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead AmigaOS when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable platform, the AmigaONE and AmigaOS4, idn'it, ay? Beautiful architecture!

Mr. Praline: The architecture don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!

Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister AmigaOS! I've got a lovely fresh G3 for you if you
show...

(owner hits the cage)

Owner: There, he moved!

Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!

Owner: I never!!

Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!

Owner: I never, never did anything...

Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO AmigaOS!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

(Takes AmigaOS out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead AmigaOS.

Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!

Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?

Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! AmigaONE and AmigaOS4s stun easily, major.

Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That AmigaOS is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged development phase.

Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for Commodore.

Mr. Praline: PININ' for Commodore?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?

Owner: The AmigaONE and AmigaOS4 prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable platform, id'nit, squire? Lovely architecture!

Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that AmigaOS when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the
first place was that it had been NAILED there.

(pause)

Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that platform down, it would have nuzzled up to those PC's, bent 'em apart with its advanced multimedia capibility,

and
VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this platform wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!

Owner: No no! 'E's pining!

Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This AmigaOS is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the desk 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the
bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-AmigaOS!!

(pause)

Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh,
we're right out of AmigaOSs.

Mr. Praline: I see. I see, I get the picture.

Owner: I got a Mac.

(pause)

Mr. Praline: Pray, does it talk?

Owner: Nnnnot really.

Mr. Praline: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?

Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)

Mr. Praline: Well.

(pause)

Owner: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?

Mr. Praline: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.

[dan06]

@pierre

don't be silly, there is no OS4.0, I don't think there will ever be such a thing. Authentic? why becasue it has Amiga in is name? It a joke dude, it does not exist!



sure they are both cool. I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler. There is no successor the amiga line, the amiga line is DEAD.


First you claim OS4 does not exist, which is nonsense, you then say they are both cool so admit OS4 exists. :crazy:

Also, how can you claim Morph OS looks cooler if you've never seen OS4? :crazy:

If the Amiga is 'dead' why are you here wasting your time 'discussing' it whether OS4 or Morph OS is better? :horse:

[B00tDisk]

pierre wrote:
sure they are both cool. I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.

Wait what? Are you retarded or something?

[AmigaSoft]

We need OS4 maybe you should be posting in the Peg or MOS forums if thats where your standing is.

Us developers are working hard to make the Amiga and OS4 a great system and there will be some great software on the system when available.

Mark my words

[Piru]

@AmigaSoft
We need OS4 maybe you should be posting in the Peg or MOS forums if thats where your standing is.
amiga.org has freedom of thought and speech. As long as Posting Guidelines are followed you're allowed to say whatever you want.

If someone is not too happy about OS4, let him/her. If someone posts obviously incorrect/false things, correct him/her (in polite manner, if only possible).

Amiga.org covers all amiga related things (including AROS, Amithlon, UAE, MorphOS and Pegasos, and often even others aswell).

Welcome to amiga.org.

[cecilia]

pierre wrote:
sure they are both cool. I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler. I have a peg and I have seen OS4 running on an AmigaOne. I have used an Amithlon. I have played around with AROS and, of course I use WinUAE regularly.

they are all various flavors of the AmigaOS we all love.

OS4 is 99.99999% "finished". I've seen it at amiga meetings and the improvements over the years have just made it faster and more stable. It's basically finished in everything but name and that is only because of the lack-of-hardware situation.
And OS4 continues to be developed. you can't blame the lack of HW on the software developers (and betatesters) who have worked very hard on OS4. That's two different sets of people.

[sdyates]

Thanks for all your comments -- this post has helped me understand the different options for running Amiga software than on my A3000s.

For me, a lot of what I like about the amigas is their ability to be very efficient in much the same way as Freebsd is efficient. I also like the gui that amiga provides, which FreeBSD and linux do not rpovide me.

I don't know what to get next and am still thinking. The underlying hardware is not as important to me as the classic is no longer being produced, logic has me realise that my A3000 wont last forever. So, I need new hardware because the price of adding to my A3000 is quite considerable.

Yes, intel is not great, but with the processing power, bus width changes and other technologies, it is much faster -- the problem today with microsft, while they have made great strides, is far too slow and heavy: it still can't properly do the following functions:

1) process swtich between hihg load and light load processes: unix has perfected this over the past 40 years.

2) Paging to disk is so poorly handled that the whole system becomes sluggish.

For these two reason, I am looking for an alternative. Amiga still is a logical step for me, what I need isa platform I can use. Morph OS sounds good as does Aros, but my systems are intel now :(

I guess I am still looking for a perfect solution.

[Gojirax]

Thank you AmigaSoft (Name changed to protect the innocent.). I agree with you 1000%...

I appreciate that you felt the compulsion to defend AmigaOS4, even if you took a verbal reprimand for it.

I look forward to OS4 and will keep waiting patiently.

[redrumloa]

benJamin wrote:
@redrumloa
You'd suppose that OS4 was going to be the money-spinner? :roll:


Are you pulling my leg or is this a serious question? I'm guessing you are just having a laugh :-?

[pierre]

@dan06
read my posts again your not understanding. Ifcourse I have seen and read about this OS4, just never seen it in PERSON, have you?
They COULD both be cool... (if os4 releases!) morphOS is already done and for sale, os04 as been anounced for 5 years and is not available, sorry that I lost faith! Its just that I doubt it will see the light of day...and given that morphOS is already done I realy don't understand why we developing another OS of the ppc rather than movign forward from morphOS at this point!(there is sarcasem mixed in there also). There are other reasons that make my like morphOS better...but I won't waist my time attempting to explain that to you at this point.
Yep I the "classic" amiga line is dead, just like the deamcast is dead, if we are lucky we will see some more hobbiest amiga(ish) system released in very small numbers, life support? maybe....:horse: Don't be mad at me be mad at commodore!
@bOOtdisk
yes I am retarded... thanks for bringing that up! :lol:
Don't be mean.. sorry you don't get my point.
@AmigaSoft
Welcome to amiga.org, this place is great! You may want to take a sceond and introduce your self to us in the welcome section. It would be nice to know a bit about you.
I can't wait for you to prove me wrong, that would actualy make me happy. Until then what are you going to do? Maybe give us some actual information about OS4 and when it will be realeased? (why is better than morpgOS...anything!) I hope it(os4) won't censore me are you attempting to do! :-D It's not your fault Hyperion has made false staments and discredited itself.... I understand that.

[sdyates]

@pierre

Fell free to justify why you think Morphos is better. I'd love to see benchmarks results, but realise these are unlikely to come forth. These discussions are helping me understand which is the best technology in light that there are no longer publications like Amigaworld around to help us.

@all
I also welcome thoughts on why OS4 is better. I happen to think that memory protection is essential, even if some applications will not run. Why not have a NoMemProtect... we did afterall have a noFastMem utility?

[SamuraiCrow]

@sdyates

Just for a brief rundown of why full memory protection should not be fully implemented on AmigaOS for a long time: Amiga libraries use shared memory to save RAM. This means that any application can read from these areas of memory although under AmigaOS 4 the memory occupied by the code cannot be written to.

MorphOS has a different solution to memory protection: It implements compatability in a sandbox called ABox and (as of the not-yet-released version 1.5) QBox which will support full memory protection. Since this version isn't released I cannot comment on its effectiveness.

The main reason Windows is so slow is becuase its memory protection requires .DLL files to be in the same page-space as the application that uses them. It cannot implement shared memory as a result and ends up paging out and in incessantly. Also, it doesn't help that the page size on Windows defaults to 4k for each page while AmigaOS 4 uses 64k page size. This means that the page-file (index) is huge because of all the pages it has to keep track of on Windows while AOS 4 has a relatively small page-file.

MacOSX and the Posix OSs have similar problems with paging and lack of shared memory due to the memory protection scheme.

If you view full memory protection as a must, then stick to your BSD/Mac/Windows/Linux box becuase AmigaOS isn't for you.

[pierre]

@sdyates
how could I give you benchmarkes I don't have an amigaONE or a morphOS box? I have made that clear I thought.
On a constructive note, I don't think amiga is the next logical step, I think Linux is. It runs on intel/ppc/arm etc..
If you insist on amiga(ish) platform, morphOS does what you want, it's the ONLY option as os4/amigaONE is not available. Why would you have faith in something that is 5-6 year LATE! os4 will be running on out of date hardware if it ever released! What kind of bench mark where you expecting? Anybody who does not want to use microsoft should be considering linux, like I said before it not realy posible for these small closed source developer teams to compete with linux. I guess my question would be, what's worng with linux? It's a viable OS? BTW you can make you linux feel much like an amiga... I think amigaOS was actualy styled off UNIX when it was origionaly designed. IMO linux is way better than morphOS or os4.

[Argo]

This topic is locked due to running OFF-Topic and being a rabling mess.
The topic was about new AmigaOne or new boards able to run OS 4.0 and asking for any substantiation of the rumor.