Slobodan melosevic has died! whoopy! [Archive]

03-11-2006, 05:12 PM

nadoom wrote:
am i glad hitler is dead yes.
am i glad stalin is dead yes.

I see no problem with being relieved at the death of a nasty piece of work like them.

i think i posted this in the wrong section. apologies

Maybe it would have been best if his mother had an abortion eh?

03-11-2006, 05:13 PM

bloodline wrote:
How can you take delight in someones death? I have to admit that I didn't agree with what he did, and I'm glad he was arrested. But I would have prefer he stood trial.

I have to admit that I'll probably dance in the streets when Maggie pops her clogs! ;-)

bloodline

03-12-2006, 01:45 PM

mdma wrote:

bloodline wrote:
How can you take delight in someones death? I have to admit that I didn't agree with what he did, and I'm glad he was arrested. But I would have prefer he stood trial.

I have to admit that I'll probably dance in the streets when Maggie pops her clogs! ;-)

:lol: That's different... she's well over a hundred... it's time for her to go.

bloodline

03-13-2006, 05:10 AM

nadoom wrote:
am i glad hitler is dead yes.
am i glad stalin is dead yes.

I see no problem with being relieved at the death of a nasty piece of work like them.

The problem is two fold, firstly if someone with strong ideological values dies without a trial, they become a martyr. Secondly, assume if you will for a moment that, there is no after life (this is just a thought experiment so walk with me on this one), then these people have never and will never pay the price for what they have done. As far as I'm concerned, if you do something unpleasant in this life, you should pay for it in this life.

PMC

03-13-2006, 09:29 AM

Some of history's crappiest people are thankfully no more, however some of the 20th century's most evil excuses for human beings are still alive:

Hitler = Dead
Milosevic = Dead
Joe Stalin = Dead
Leopoldo Galtieri = Dead
Robert Mugabe
Kim Il Sung = Dead
Kim Jong Il
Emperor Hirohito = Dead
Maggie Thatcher
Benito Mussolini = Dead
Westlife
Richard Nixon = Dead
Ayatolla Khomeni = Dead
Saddam Hussein = Not long now

nadoom

03-13-2006, 10:16 AM

i take my stance from the point of view of the world being a less nasty place without them, that is a good thing.

i agree those with no belief in the afterlife or some sort of divine justice will feel cheated. unfortunatly many nasties escape worldly justice.

I was looking at the BBC 'have your say' about slobo and it is suprising how many people think he was a cool dude..

03-13-2006, 10:23 AM

PMC wrote:
Some of history's crappiest people are thankfully no more, however some of the 20th century's most evil excuses for human beings are still alive:

Hitler = Dead
Milosevic = Dead
Joe Stalin = Dead
Leopoldo Galtieri = Dead
Robert Mugabe
Kim Il Sung = Dead
Kim Jong Il
Emperor Hirohito = Dead
Maggie Thatcher
Benito Mussolini = Dead
Westlife
Richard Nixon = Dead
Ayatolla Khomeni = Dead
Saddam Hussein = Not long now

You forgot Dubya.

PMC

03-13-2006, 10:35 AM

mdma wrote:
You forgot Dubya.

Actually, I'm not convinced he's evil...

But I am convinced he's thick.

My own suspicion is that lil' Shrub is easily influenced by his advisors and that the architects of the mess that the USA finds itself in now are those who put their weight behind PNAC - a truly odious doctrine that's right up there with Apartheid and the BBC Saturday night schedule.

Back to the serious business in hand, Milosevic's policies were nothing new. Europe had been a victim of ultra-nationalist leaders sixty years ago that did nought but polarise societies into a "them and us" mindset, giving faux-national pride and (very)faux historical accounts of past national glories. It amazes me that it too so long to stop him, especially considering the burden of guilt carried by many EU nations in the past.

nadoom

03-13-2006, 10:50 AM

pol pot
mao
idi amin
hafez al-assad
putin

more for the list :)

mainland europe has a really big problem when it comes to facism, its still there and growing IMO

03-13-2006, 10:54 AM

Actually, I'm not convinced he's evil...

But I am convinced he's thick.

My own suspicion is that lil' Shrub is easily influenced by his advisors and that the architects of the mess that the USA finds itself in now are those who put their weight behind PNAC - a truly odious doctrine that's right up there with Apartheid and the BBC Saturday night schedule.

Or maybe he is a lot more savvy than we give him credit for.

What better whay to commit war crimes and atrocities than to convince the world you are a retarted feckwitt?

If he was ever brought to trial, then he'd get away with it based on his "I'm stupid" act.

Wilse

03-13-2006, 12:36 PM

This reminds me of the glee that greeted the deaths of Saddam's two
sons and the criticism I received for questioning that glee. I'm glad
it's not just me who finds rejoicing in someone's death (no matter how
reprehensible that person was) distasteful.

Who do I despise most?
Probably Mr. Blair but I would never wish him dead.
Banged up in gaol for lying the country into war, yes - throw the
key to f*ck!

But not killed.

smithy

03-13-2006, 03:08 PM

nadoom wrote:
Its a shame he didnt face justice, but a good result none the less

This annoys me: How many years has he been banged up? Instead of getting on with the trial they've fannied on, treated him with kid gloves, allowed him to waste time, and get plenty of attention from the world's media by his showacting. It was all about the Slobbo Show and not about justice. It's the same thing with Saddam's trial.

smithy

03-13-2006, 03:12 PM

PMC wrote:

Milosevic = Dead

His wife, Mirjana Markovic, a Lady McBeth character by all acccounts, had no small part to play in this horrible story in Europe too. Last I heard she's hiding in Russia.

PMC

03-14-2006, 02:23 AM

nadoom wrote:
pol pot
mao
idi amin
hafez al-assad
putin

more for the list :)

Yep, Pol Pot killed millions in Cambodia and escaped justice for far too long. Chairman Mao and Putin I'm not sure about though... I simply don't know that much about either. Nor do I know much about Hafez Al-Assad either.

Idi Amin ended up an exile in Riyadh, where he was apparently living a life of luxury. He died in a modern hospital, which is more than can be said for many of his political opponents.

jkirk

03-14-2006, 05:19 AM

i'm sorry but i cannot celebrate the death of ANY person regardless of the crime. i don't care how the person died it is just sad.

PMC

03-14-2006, 05:39 AM

Normally I'd agree. I don't like to gloat over anyone's demise.

But I do have my limits and no-one who's caused misery and sufferring to countless numbers of human beings will ever be mourned by me.

nadoom

03-14-2006, 02:18 PM

It's the same thing with Saddam's trial.

difference is that saddam will be hanged, no lilly liberal death penalty ban in iraq atm ;)

Mao kill countless in his cultural revolution,
Putin orchastrated the distruction and brutal oppression of chechenya.
and hafez Al-assad of syria was a typical middle eastern dictator, cattle prods on the balls and all.

death is a pretty good deal for these people, bare in mind what they did to people, the way these people treated their victims made the victims want to die so they were put of out there misery, {bleep}s the lot of em!

cecilia

03-14-2006, 04:16 PM

Wilse wrote:
This reminds me of the glee that greeted the deaths of Saddam's two
sons and the criticism I received for questioning that glee. I'm glad
it's not just me who finds rejoicing in someone's death (no matter how
reprehensible that person was) distasteful.
as someone who was happy that those two thugs were dead, I'd like to point out that I was "gleeful" that they would no longer be around to torture and hurt people. I didn't start a party or have a drink or anything like that, just glad their reign of terror was over.

I would have been just as happy if they had been captured alive and brought to trial.

I'd be delirious if bush and co were indicted and brought to trial.

PMC

03-15-2006, 02:04 AM

Uday Hussein was a very, very nasty piece of work by all accounts, having been responsible for training the Iraqi national football team and subsequently torturing them when they failed to win the World Cup among other less than humane acts during his lamentably long life.

I didn't cheer when he bit the dust and I felt very uncomfotable when images of his and Qusay's corpses were published in the press, but needless to say I didn't shed one tear for the guy.

I too will cheer loudly when Bush & Blair are called to account for their deceptions.

nadoom

03-15-2006, 09:38 AM

PMC: what would you charge them with?

PMC

03-15-2006, 10:35 AM

I would have them charged with deliberately misleading the public.

First, we had the "clear link" between Al Quaeda and Iraq, which three years on has yet to be established. Then we had the "clear and present danger" and "45 minute warning" statements read out in the Houses of Parliament closely followed by an uncomfortable looking Colin Powell's presentation showing mocked up images of WMD factories. Three years on there's not a sniff of WMD.

I feel like the invasion was trumped up to counter the massive public opposition (in Britain at least) to an invasion without clear evidence. Ironically, had the declared aim been to liberate the Iraqi people from oppression then I'd have backed it all the way. However, the US and UK governments stance has shifted from month to month.

I'm also ashamed of the treatment of ordinary Iraqis by (mainly) US forces. They clearly have failed to learn the British lessons learned in Northern Ireland about winning hearts and minds. Fallujah is an atrocity with few rivals.

So yes, I'm pretty disillusioned with our political leaders who's integrity has left much to be desired.

Wilse

03-15-2006, 11:26 AM

@cecilia:

I also welcome the fact that they can no longer torture and hurt
people.
That said, I cannot celebrate anyone's death.

bloodline

03-16-2006, 05:34 AM

I've been mulling this over for a while... I wonder how nadoom would feel if we to celebrate the death of a person who he respected, but was also directly responsible for the deaths of thousands... and indirectly for the deaths of millions?

One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. The biggest curse we have is the lust humans have to be part of an exclusive group.

jkirk

03-16-2006, 06:41 AM

So yes, I'm pretty disillusioned with our political leaders who's integrity has left much to be desired.

i don't think you are alone there especially since bush's approval rating is down to around 30 odd percent here in the us.

bloodline

03-16-2006, 07:15 AM

jkirk wrote:
So yes, I'm pretty disillusioned with our political leaders who's integrity has left much to be desired.

i don't think you are alone there especially since bush's approval rating is down to around 30 odd percent here in the us.

Isn't that more than the percentage of US citizens who actually voted for him?

jkirk

03-16-2006, 07:18 AM

bloodline wrote:

jkirk wrote:
So yes, I'm pretty disillusioned with our political leaders who's integrity has left much to be desired.

i don't think you are alone there especially since bush's approval rating is down to around 30 odd percent here in the us.

Isn't that more than the percentage of US citizens who actually voted for him?

no but it is more than the percentage of people who admit to voting for him. :-)

nadoom

03-16-2006, 07:59 AM

I've been mulling this over for a while... I wonder how nadoom would feel if we to celebrate the death of a person who he respected, but was also directly responsible for the deaths of thousands... and indirectly for the deaths of millions?

are you implying that this person is jesus?
i have utmost respect for him, they are always taking the mick out of him and his 'death', even though he was a great man.

One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
being happy at their death is understandable, however distorting the truth about what they stand for is another matter.

So yes, I'm pretty disillusioned with our political leaders who's integrity has left much to be desired.

problem is that politicians, get shot down in flames if they say anything at all edgy by the tabloid media. Another factor is all the big politicial battles / issues are done and dusted, all we are left with is minor issues. I think the current format of democracy in the uk needs a shake up to make it more appealling, maybe proportional representation. Also banning 'the sun' would be a good idea ;)

bloodline

03-16-2006, 10:37 AM

nadoom wrote:
I've been mulling this over for a while... I wonder how nadoom would feel if we to celebrate the death of a person who he respected, but was also directly responsible for the deaths of thousands... and indirectly for the deaths of millions?

are you implying that this person is jesus?

I don't know you, I have no idea who your ideological heroes are, but I'm pretty sure you will find they were considered horrific by another essentially innocent group of people.

i have utmost respect for him, they are always taking the mick out of him and his 'death', even though he was a great man.

I'm not sure who "they" are, but how are they mocking his death?

One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
being happy at their death is understandable, however distorting the truth about what they stand for is another matter.

I'm not distorting anything, I'm simply trying to encourage a discussion around the facts and to establish that your initial reaction to the news was uncalled for.

It's probably fair to say they no one who is a member of Amiga.org has any fondness for this man, but we do need to be balanced in our views.

nadoom

03-16-2006, 11:18 AM

"I'm not sure who "they" are, but how are they mocking his death?"

Have you seen the monty python - life of brian? then you will see my point

I dont think you are distorting anything bloodline.. but since you brought up that soundbyte id thought id comment on it

my point was that it is better to be happy at there death, than to present a view of that person that is false, or incorrect.

such is the situation that many in the US feel they are under attack from 'islamic' terrorism, as the media (and GWB) portray it as an attack on there way of life, but in reality like any terrorist groups agenda it is based on clear objectives that they (the terrorists) want to achieve.

The reason i take glee in his death, comes from my perspective as a muslim, you see he was persecuting my people, my brothers, just because they were muslims. you ask any jew are they glad that hitler and his cronies are dead and you will get a 'yes'.

03-16-2006, 11:25 AM

The reason i take glee in his death, comes from my perspective as a muslim, you see he was persecuting my people, my brothers, just because they were muslims. you ask any jew are they glad that hitler and his cronies are dead and you will get a 'yes'.

Who are you most happy about being dead:

a) Adolf Hitler
b) Slobodan Milosevic
c) Joseph Stalin
d) Sultan Abdul Hamid

... and why?

Speelgoedmannetje

03-16-2006, 12:15 PM

mdma wrote:

Who are you most happy about being dead:

a) Adolf Hitler
b) Slobodan Milosevic
c) Joseph Stalin
d) Sultan Abdul Hamid

... and why?Joseph Stalin. For various reasons, first one is he killed the most of all dictators, second is he raped one of the most sincere ideologies (communism is an ideology of people who want to get out of their misery and with that they think about other people) thoroughly.
Now if I'm right, you're a communist/socialist too, MDMA, so what do you think about that?

nadoom

03-16-2006, 12:27 PM

hmm thats a very interesting question, i will attempt to answer it.

a=c,
b,
d,

There is very little between them all to be honest, they all seem to have played a role in the destruction of life e.g. genocide, and it is better for humanity that they are dead. there status and religion, isnt an issue a crime is a crime.

Adolf and Stalin far outstrip the other two people, hamid appears to have ordered masscres of armienians of which estimates range between 80 to 300 thousand died.

the crimes of slobo are greatly smaller than that of hitler or stalin, however slobos crimes occured in the 90's and he died only a few days ago, his actions are fresh in my memory and not in a crusty book on a shelf some where

03-16-2006, 01:06 PM

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

mdma wrote:

Who are you most happy about being dead:

a) Adolf Hitler
b) Slobodan Milosevic
c) Joseph Stalin
d) Sultan Abdul Hamid

... and why?Joseph Stalin. For various reasons, first one is he killed the most of all dictators, second is he raped one of the most sincere ideologies (communism is an ideology of people who want to get out of their misery and with that they think about other people) thoroughly.
Now if I'm right, you're a communist/socialist too, MDMA, so what do you think about that?

If I had to choose, then I'd pick Stalin too.

I don't care what race or religion the victims are, they are all humans.

nadoom

03-16-2006, 01:28 PM

I don't care what race or religion the victims are, they are all humans.

i agree, also the closer you get to the situation the more anger you feel towards the perpetrators

Speelgoedmannetje

03-16-2006, 02:13 PM

mdma wrote:
I don't care what race or religion the victims are, they are all humans.You KNOW that I think that way too. My question was rather: How do you think about the whole picture of Marxism?

03-16-2006, 02:35 PM

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

mdma wrote:
I don't care what race or religion the victims are, they are all humans.You KNOW that I think that way too. My question was rather: How do you think about the whole picture of Marxism?

I believe Marxism has never been implemented.

bloodline

03-16-2006, 03:08 PM

nadoom wrote:
"I'm not sure who "they" are, but how are they mocking his death?"

Have you seen the monty python - life of brian? then you will see my point

Splendid flim, that was actually about a guy called Brian, not Jesus ;-)

The reason i take glee in his death, comes from my perspective as a muslim, you see he was persecuting my people, my brothers, just because they were muslims. you ask any jew are they glad that hitler and his cronies are dead and you will get a 'yes'.

Yes, and this is what I find most depressing about being human... people care more for their own little clique than for people (and animals) in general. :-(

Boot_WB

03-16-2006, 03:48 PM

nadoom wrote:
"I'm not sure who "they" are, but how are they mocking his death?"

Have you seen the monty python - life of brian? then you will see my point

Actually, no - I don't see your point. The life of Brian (aside from being an excellent epic, pushing the bounds of both comedy and British film-making) was principally mocking the reaction of other people to the life and actions of - ahem - Brian. It doesn't actually mock the actions of the main protagonist at all.

swift240

03-23-2006, 09:36 PM

Yes he should have lived.

Then they could have given him a fair trial then hanged him.

Mike.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

nadoom

03-23-2006, 09:57 PM

you mean lock him in a cell with tv, internet and all the mod cons. :)

McNorris

03-24-2006, 04:00 PM

"first one is he killed the most of all dictators,"

Not quite, but rather another little toad Chairman Mao... whose land reforms and intigues led to about 70 million in murder and starvation.

Lets not forget about the world outside of the Judeo-Christian sphere.

And while we're at it, perhaps something should be said for murderous Albanians and Bosnians :-o

Oh sorry, I forgot it was the fault of the EVIL Serbs and more directly Melosevic, right?

I hope that makes some folks sleep, better, but in reality it's a bunch of bull butter.

Ever heard the saying, "it takes two to tango?"

PMC

03-24-2006, 05:38 PM

So what ya sayin'?

Speelgoedmannetje

03-24-2006, 05:49 PM

PMC wrote:
So what ya sayin'?I think he basically says a dictator cannot do it alone. He needs Praetorians.

nadoom

03-25-2006, 07:25 AM

And while we're at it, perhaps something should be said for murderous Albanians and Bosnians

it was melosevics nationalism that destroyed yugoslavia, and lead to genocide, it is not fair to say that bosniaks or croats are equally as cruel, the facts are they werent.

it doesnt take two to tango, it takes one sick {bleep} facist and lots of innocent people die.

Lets not forget about the world outside of the Judeo-Christian sphere.

No one on this thread has forgotten that, as we have already discussed it!