Agressive US investments.

[redrumloa]

This isn't posted in the political forum, so please don't post political crap here.

What do you fellow Americans feel is the the best bet in aggresive investments for the next ~5 years? I mean in the 1k to 100K range.

Real Estate?
Real Estate is HOT in most parts of FL, but I don't think I'd call it aggresive. Stable but not aggresive.

Stocks?
If so, what type? Technology? Foreign?

Buying out existing or starting new company?
What market is the hottest, with the best margins?

I'm interested in your feedback:-)

[whabang]

I'm no American, but the russian economy seems a good bet for stocks.

[T_Bone]

(me listens in) :-)

I don't know. I'm afraid of all non-real estate investments nowdays.

[blobrana]

Hum,

i hear that nanotechnology is going to be big...

But in , 20- 40 years, watch out for the collapse of the developed world due to shortages of raw materials and energy.

[FluffyMcDeath]

redrumloa wrote:
This isn't posted in the political forum, so please don't post political crap here.

What do you fellow Americans feel is the the best bet in aggresive investments for the next ~5 years? I mean in the 1k to 100K range.

Real Estate?
Real Estate is HOT in most parts of FL, but I don't think I'd call it aggresive. Stable but not aggresive.

Yeah, real estate. Buy high, sell low. That's the way to make money!!

I wouldn't trust real estate right now. It's a bubble and the high prices are based on low interest rates. When the rates go up, ... pop. Forclosures.. THAT's when you want to be buying!!

[Dan]

Aggresive investments.
Defence industry. :lol:
Thats only partly a joke, everybody(except sweden:-P) seems to be throwing taxmoney that way so why not get some of it back?

[Dan]

T_Bone wrote:
(me listens in) :-)

I don't know. I'm afraid of all non-real estate investments nowdays.
Buy land it´s not being made anymore!
You can´t eat money but you sure can live off the land!

If you want to have a safe pension-investment plant trees.
These days the timber and paper companies are calling us, about every twoweeks pratically begging us to sell pulpwood.
It´s something about the chinese and water closets :-P

But as fluffy said about the intrest rate now is not the time to buy.


(If the communists doesn´t have a proper landreform included in their program or doesn´t carries it out, then they are noting but fascists with red uniforms.)

[KennyR]

@Red

I'm not an American, but my advice: look to China. Their economy is moving incredibly quickly.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

whabang wrote:
I'm no American, but the russian economy seems a good bet for stocks.
hm, naah, too much corruption and mafia.
I'd prefer Estonia, Latvia and lithuania to invest in.
These seem to be quite thriving.
China is also quite interesting atm.

[iamaboringperson]

I know I'm not American, but look for areas which have experienced a growth in value (real-estate) over the past 10 or so years.

Then use a buy-and-hold stratagy.

Visit propertyinvesting.com (It's not American either, but there may be some good advice on there)

[the_leander]

Debt, I know I know its morally dubious, but yes, debt, a garunteed return on your investment (though the timeframe is variable depending on what countries debt you buy into) typically from what I've read, you'll make about 40% on whatever you put in.

American Debt atm looks to be a good place to start, since theres a lot of it and a reletively stable system of governance in place to garuntee a return.

Dunno however how you'd get in touch with a debt trader though.

[T_Bone]

the_leander wrote:
Debt, I know I know its morally dubious, but yes, debt, a garunteed return on your investment (though the timeframe is variable depending on what countries debt you buy into) typically from what I've read, you'll make about 40% on whatever you put in.

American Debt atm looks to be a good place to start, since theres a lot of it and a reletively stable system of governance in place to garuntee a return.

Dunno however how you'd get in touch with a debt trader though.

Bwahahahahaha!

Untill we start our "revolution" and declare ourselves a new and independant country, irresponsible for the debts of the former USA.

I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

hmmmm....

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:
I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

hmmmm....No, since it's the UNITED States...
United means your state officially take part of it, AND is likewise any other state responsible for the debt.

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

hmmmm....No, since it's the UNITED States...
United means your state officially take part of it, AND is likewise any other state responsible for the debt.

In case you missed it, the premise was that a state *removed* itself from the union.

The federal defecit is the responsibility of the federal government, not the states. The federal government doesn't collect revenue from the states, the federal government collects it's taxes directly, not touching the state tax at all.

The Constitution allows the federal government to tax it's citizens, but no provision has ever been made in the Constitution to tax *former* citizens above and beyond any taxes previously due. Currently the government has no athority to impose debt on former citizens assuming they owe no back taxes. I believe the Union would have to eat the loss.

[redrumloa]

States rights are a joke. The federal gov is too big. We need another Regan.

Ooops this is becoming political.

:whack:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

hmmmm....No, since it's the UNITED States...
United means your state officially take part of it, AND is likewise any other state responsible for the debt.

In case you missed it, the premise was that a state *removed* itself from the union.

The federal defecit is the responsibility of the federal government, not the states. The federal government doesn't collect revenue from the states, the federal government collects it's taxes directly, not touching the state tax at all.

The Constitution allows the federal government to tax it's citizens, but no provision has ever been made in the Constitution to tax *former* citizens above and beyond any taxes previously due. Currently the government has no athority to impose debt on former citizens assuming they owe no back taxes. I believe the Union would have to eat the loss.

:lol:
Iwantmymoneyback!

sorry sir, can't, you signed...

[Speelgoedmannetje]

redrumloa wrote:
Ooops this is becoming political.

:whack: Twas kinda already in the beginning of this thread.

[KennyR]

T_Bone wrote:
Untill we start our "revolution" and declare ourselves a new and independant country, irresponsible for the debts of the former USA.

I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

It would work about as long as it took the Union army to crush the uprising. You tried it once before, remember? :)

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:
T_Bone wrote:
Untill we start our "revolution" and declare ourselves a new and independant country, irresponsible for the debts of the former USA.

I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

It would work about as long as it took the Union army to crush the uprising. You tried it once before, remember? :)

Sure, but this time's different, the evil union troops are overseas! The time is NOW brethren! :lol:

[the_leander]

T_Bone wrote:

the_leander wrote:
Debt, I know I know its morally dubious, but yes, debt, a garunteed return on your investment (though the timeframe is variable depending on what countries debt you buy into) typically from what I've read, you'll make about 40% on whatever you put in.

American Debt atm looks to be a good place to start, since theres a lot of it and a reletively stable system of governance in place to garuntee a return.

Dunno however how you'd get in touch with a debt trader though.

Bwahahahahaha!

Untill we start our "revolution" and declare ourselves a new and independant country, irresponsible for the debts of the former USA.

I wonder how that would work actually, if hypothetically, North Carolina removes itself from the Union, can we claim no responsibility for federal debt?

hmmmm....

No, this wouldn't work, you can change your leaders, the country's name, and even its boarders, but the debt still remains, just ask half of Africa and Iraq.

As long as the WTO isn't wiped off the face of the earth, you're highly unlikely to loose any money, but theres is again the proviso that it will take longer to see a return on your investment if the country you invest in goes belly up, in such a case, you have to wait untill such time as it picks itself up and dusts itself before your reward would start to trickle in.

In a theoretical situation such as the one you describe, the debt would be divided as a percentage to all the states involoved in the uprising, the total debt would remain, but instead of it being in one place, it would now be all over the place, with the debt where the original money went. The WTO are like the international equivilent of the IRS or britains tax office (I almost said orafice, either would be appropriate). And like them, they won't rest until every last penny is paid back

[FluffyMcDeath]

@Red,

Try buying Euros, or just about any foreign currency. Gold is good too. Buy a few thousand dollars of gold and when the dollar collapses it should easily cover your mortgage.