Anyone got their new and improved paychecks yet?

[FluffyMcDeath]

That's check rather than cheque since I'm refering to the new improved "there's no such thing as time and a half" US paychecks that are now possible since August 23rd (introduced just in time so that some people could enjoy their reduced pay just in time for labor day).

Can't you just feel that rising tide lifting all boats?

[AccyD]

Most companies I've worked for don't pay overtime at all, let alone time x 1.5 for salaried positions, and nothing more than normal time for overtime for hourly paid staff.

Even my wife who works Xmas day, Boxing Day, & New Years Day (as a care assistant) only recieves time even on these public holidays.

But if it means that her employer stays afloat and can continue to pay her a wage it is a small price to paydon't you think.

If you don't feel that normal time is enough for overtiem work then the answer is simple enough - do not work it !! :-) :-)

[Glaucus]

Most companies I've worked for don't pay overtime at all, let alone time x 1.5 for salaried positions, and nothing more than normal time for overtime for hourly paid staff.Yes, Accyd, it's rather well known that 1.5x pay typically only applies to people who are paid hourly and not those who are paid salary. I too am paid salary and may, if need be, work well over 40 hours a week and not ever see a penny for it (although my current employer feels that's an unfair policy and will compensate me anyway). But we're not talking about you and me here, we're talking about blue-colar workers, and those in the service & hospitality industries. I don't know what it's like in England, but those who I know who work in these types of industries are paid hourly, not salary. For these people, it's a kick in the pants. For their employers, it's a good reason to not hire more staff and to instead work their current staff longer hours.

- Mike

[FluffyMcDeath]

AccyD wrote:
But if it means that her employer stays afloat and can continue to pay her a wage it is a small price to paydon't you think.

Reminds me of a friend's parents who owned a restaraunt in the UK someplace. They didn't pay their waitresses. Waitresses worked for tips alone "and bloody happy to have the work, too" apparently. They loved Thatcher and made a good living off that place. It's not that they couldn't afford to pay the staff, just they didn't want to and, it seems, didn't need to. Making them pay people for working for them would have cut into the amount of travelling they could have done.

This, "I have to pay you next to nothing to stay afloat" is rubbish 9 times out of 10.


If you don't feel that normal time is enough for overtiem work then the answer is simple enough - do not work it !! :-) :-)

You'd last a long time like that! :lol:

[Glaucus]

This, "I have to pay you next to nothing to stay afloat" is rubbish 9 times out of 10.And in that one case where it might be valid, I'd say it's better that the place go under then stay afloat. What Accyd is suggesting is contrary to the theory of capitalism which states that the law of the jungle shall always reign supreme: survival of the fittest. If a company is so bad off that it needs to pay it's employees next to nothing just to stay afloat, then perhaps it shouldn't be afloat!

- Mike

[Tigger]

Glaucus wrote:
And in that one case where it might be valid, I'd say it's better that the place go under then stay afloat. What Accyd is suggesting is contrary to the theory of capitalism which states that the law of the jungle shall always reign supreme: survival of the fittest. If a company is so bad off that it needs to pay it's employees next to nothing just to stay afloat, then perhaps it shouldn't be afloat!


Once again I have to teach economics to the smurfs, no wonder you people believe we went to Iraq to lower oil prices. Economics would point out that if the total wages made by someone at the restaurant were too low, they would find a new job, they don't because the total wage (pay+tips) is high enough for them to stay. I hate to point out that lots of places pay very insignificant pay to their waitresses ($2-$3/hr), yet I know many who clear 40-50 an hour with tips. The girls at hooters in Nashville (they used to be in our Beach volleyball league) would compete to see the first to $100 in tips per night, and the winner would usually be before 90 minutes into happy hour. Given that, do you honestly believe they care whether they make $2 an hour or $4.50 an hour???
-Tig

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tigger wrote:

Once again I have to teach economics to the smurfs, no wonder you people believe we went to Iraq to lower oil prices.


It's control of the oil, not the prices per se. If you can't seem to get that major point, I'm not sure anyone should put to much faith in your economics lessons.

[Tigger]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:
That's check rather than cheque since I'm refering to the new improved "there's no such thing as time and a half" US paychecks that are now possible since August 23rd (introduced just in time so that some people could enjoy their reduced pay just in time for labor day).


The 17k of us at my employers, would like to thank you for your worry, however since absolutely not a single one of us was effected in a negative way, we'd like to say you are worrying for nothing. Have you ever got up one day, and thought, maybe I wont slam the Americans today?? No, I didnt think so.
-Tig

[Tigger]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

It's control of the oil, not the prices per se. If you can't seem to get that major point, I'm not sure anyone should put to much faith in your economics lessons.

Do you find it funny as I do that you keep changing what the goal was every 2-3 months?? Do you think you are going to go back to the invade Syria thing anytime soon?? The American pool on Smurf behavior has some good odds on that, think you'll start a topic about it before the end of the month?? I could make alot of money from the rest of the Smurf watchers if you did.
-Tig

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tigger wrote:

Have you ever got up one day, and thought, maybe I wont slam the Americans today?? No, I didnt think so.
-Tig

Classic Tigger. Never care about waiting for answers because you think you already know. That is how you can be wrong for so long.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tigger wrote:

Do you find it funny as I do that you keep changing what the goal was every 2-3 months??


You just keep changing your memory so that you can have always been retroactively right (just like the Prez, it seems).

[Tigger]

Name a day Fluffy.
-Tig

[cecilia]

Reminds me of a friend's parents who owned a restaraunt in the UK someplace. They didn't pay their waitresses. Waitresses worked for tips alone "and bloody happy to have the work, too" apparently. They loved Thatcher and made a good living off that place. It's not that they couldn't afford to pay the staff, just they didn't want to and, it seems, didn't need to. Making them pay people for working for them would have cut into the amount of travelling they could have done.is this where genesi got their business plan?

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tigger wrote:
Name a day Fluffy.
-Tig

What are you trying to say Tig? This is a little vague and lacking a comma unless you actually want me to name a day Fluffy (in which case, let's make Thursdays "Fluffy").

[Tigger]

Name a day you posted on Amiga.org in which you didnt make a slam against American policy, government or people, you haven't done that for weeks can be seen from your post history. On the American only side of the website we are starting a pool to find out when you'll finally do it again. Don't know what you are going to do in 11 weeks, mope all day I guess.
-Tig

[cecilia]

the american government NEEDS to be slammed!
it's called "democracy"
get over it.





ps, as I was born on a thursday, i say, let's call thursdays, "Fluffy" :-D

[Tigger]

cecilia wrote:
the american government NEEDS to be slammed!
it's called "democracy"
get over it.



We didnt found the website to slam the American Government, if the only reason you are posting on the site is to slam the American government, you really need to find another site.
-Tig

[that_punk_guy]

Tigger wrote:
We didnt found the website to slam the American Government, if the only reason you are posting on the site is to slam the American government, you really need to find another site.


There are members here who no longer come here primarily for Amiga news - sad, but true - and who donate money to Amiga.org to keep it alive anyway, so if you're suggesting AO would be better off without off-topic conversation, you might want to have a rethink on that...

[Tigger]

that_punk_guy wrote:

There are members here who no longer come here primarily for Amiga news - sad, but true - and who donate money to Amiga.org to keep it alive anyway, so if you're suggesting AO would be better off without off-topic conversation, you might want to have a rethink on that...


Wayne, myself and NASAU are the largest 3 donators in the history of the site, by a huge margin, unless you are going to write Wayne a check for 3 or 4 years worth of running capital, thats not going to change, and even then it will barely get you 3rd place. If you comment is meant to imply that we HAVE to keep the coffee houses, or we won't have $40 a month to pay amiga.org rent, thats pretty silly, wayne I am sure appreciates not having to pay the bill, but in reality if the decision is let the Smurfs rule the board, or don't get any donations, Wayne will most likely smash the blue creatures into the ground. Wayne (as he commented early), myself and other longtime members are tired of 100 post Smurf topics while actual amiga questions are unanswered despite many members of this community knowing the answer. Its more fun to scream at the americans for being evil, then help someone format a HD, so another amiga guy spends another day without his HD working. Its a sad state of affairs, and needs to be rectified, or truthfully this board doesnt need to exist.
-Tig

[Glaucus]

Economics would point out that if the total wages made by someone at the restaurant were too low, they would find a new job, they don't because the total wage (pay+tips) is high enough for them to stay.Okay, I'll concede that those in the service industry do have the advantage of "tips" and that does make things a bit better for them. And sales people have commission. However, your argument that people who are unhappy with their pay can simply pack up and find another job is not so simple (even less true once you consider that most jobs of that nature typically conform to the lowest standards imposed by the government). A small town is one example where there simply isn't that many employers to pick and choose from. But more importantly, when your economy is in the tank and unemployment is at an unusually high rate (as it is now), this is not really an option. This of course is true for everyone, not just blue collar workers, so an economic expert such as yourself should be keenly aware of this trivial fact.

- Mike

[Glaucus]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

Tigger wrote:
Name a day Fluffy.
-Tig

What are you trying to say Tig? This is a little vague and lacking a comma unless you actually want me to name a day Fluffy (in which case, let's make Thursdays "Fluffy").If we're gonna make a day "Fluffy" I suggest we make it Monday because Mondays are otherwise rather "blah" and need something to spice them up a bit. What do ya say Tigger?

:-D

- Mike

[Glaucus]

Tigger cleverly wrote in his signature file:
Preparing for no Smurf day on November 23.Yeah me, too. Btw, his alias is spelled "smerf" (http://www.amiga.org/userinfo.php?uid=703) - note the "e" and lower case "s".

;-)

- Mike

[KennyR]

Tigger wrote:
Wayne will most likely smash the blue creatures into the ground.

Or in normal, non-derisive English: "Close the Coffee House forums." Which would be personal tragedy for you I'm sure, Tigger, since you'd have to go be wrong somewhere else, rudely I'm sure.

[CodePoet]

@FluffyMcDeath

Thats such a cool nick lol, Our bunny looks like its on steroids... Tempted want to shave a patch on him that resembles a boing ball ;p


-Cp

[Tigger]

Okay, I'll concede that those in the service industry do have the advantage of "tips" and that does make things a bit better for them. And sales people have commission. However, your argument that people who are unhappy with their pay can simply pack up and find another job is not so simple (even less true once you consider that most jobs of that nature typically conform to the lowest standards imposed by the government).

This started out with one of Fluffys whining posts about waitresses not being paid, now you want to make it about all jobs. I realize change the target is fun canadian game, but really Mike I expected better. With the exception of jobs like waitresses (where tips form a majority of the income) in the US, we have a minimum wage which is required by law, I know you guys go on and on about the lack of the jobs in the US, I still however see dozens of places hiring here, I am still short over a dozen programmers at work, and Amsouth is really needing more tellers.


A small town is one example where there simply isn't that many employers to pick and choose from. But more importantly, when your economy is in the tank and unemployment is at an unusually high rate (as it is now), this is not really an option.

Thats the issue, it used to be if you couldnt find a job, you went to where the jobs where, but no, not the new worker, they sit around without experience wanting their perfect job to come to them. Then they get a job, and find out gee it involves showing up on time, wearing shoes and shirt and actually getting work done. The problem in Huntsville, isnt jobs, its workers, we have a 40% turnover rate on the line within 90 days, because they just dont show up, they work for 3 weeks, get the first two weeks pay then stone up and dont come in for a few days. Then wonder why we dont want to keep them on, two weeks of training down the drain, its just crazy.
-Tig

[Glaucus]

This started out with one of Fluffys whining posts about waitresses not being paid, now you want to make it about all jobs.Umm... well, yes and no. If you re-read Fluffy's first post you'll note that this thread started off talking about hourly wages in general. Also, re-read my first post in this thread - post #3 in this thread - and you'll see that I was already talking about "blue collar" jobs. Fluffy simply gave an example to illustrate a point, this thread was never about waitresses. Since you replied to my post, I made the silly assumption that you had indeed read it and that we are all on the same page.

I realize change the target is fun canadian game, but really Mike I expected better.Okay Tigger, I'll be nice for once. I never moved any targets, I think my above statements make that perfectly clear.

I still however see dozens of places hiring here, I am still short over a dozen programmers at work, and Amsouth is really needing more tellers.Aside from the fact that you're using anecdotal evidence to argue a nation wide trend (reported by your own news media and government), aren't you currently working for a major supplier to the US military? I would be rather surprised if a major military equipment supplier had hard times during war time. :roll: Let's not forget we're talking about the national average. I'm sure business is booming in some areas, while sagging in others. What we're talking about here is the over all economy, and according to your news media, it's not doing that great.

Thats the issue, it used to be if you couldnt find a job, you went to where the jobs where, but no, not the new worker, they sit around without experience wanting their perfect job to come to them.Well, I'm sure there's lots of that. We get that here too. Often I find people who can't hold a job have some form of mental problem, often depression on top of it. However, there's also the possibility that the employers are a*sholes. For two years I was laid off from a computer programming position, and during those two years I worked in several little jobs here and there. I got this one job working at a video store for CDN$7.00/hr renting videos at a store owned by my cousin's friend Doug. I worked long hours and closed the shop at 3am every day, and I never complained. However, I quit my job when Doug's {bleep} common-law kept chewing me out for the most minor mistakes (so minor no money was lost, I'm talking clerical errors). She would swear at me and make me feel like {bleep}, so I quit. After the fact Doug agreed with me and paid me for wages that he legally wasn't entitled to give me. Anyway, my point is, people who quit their job, or complain about it, often have a valid point. I worked like a monkey for peanuts and got sh*t on. As a programmer I never got that kind of treatment, and that incident made me realize that when you make less money people treat you as a lesser person - as if being poor wasn't bad enough.

EDIT: Here's the final email sent to me by Doug's common-law (aka day-manager) and prompted me to quit. I post it here for everyone's enjoyment, I get a particular kick out of her spelling & capitalization. :-D

ONCE AGAIN MIKE YOU HAVE TO PAY
ATTENTION!!!!!YOU ARE MAKING MY JOB A
F*CKING HELL!!!EVERYDAY YOU HAVE THESE
AWEFUL REDICULAS MISTAKES!!!!!!LAST
NIGHT WHEN YOU ARE RETURNING MOVIES
DVD-IN AMERICA AND DVD-MIRICLE YOU
SCANNED IN IN AMERICA WITHOUT LOOKING AT
THE MOVIE!THE OTHER DISC FROM MIRICLE
WAS IN THERE!!!!!!SO I CALLED UP THE
CUSTOMER TODAY AND LOOKED LIKE A F*CKEN
IDIOT!!!!WHEN YOU ARE SCANNING IN MOVIES
LOOK TO SEE IF THE RIGHT MOVIE IS IN THE
RIGHT CASE!!!!WOW CAN'T WAIT TO SEE
WHAT ELSE YOU F*CK UP ON!!!!!!!PAY
ATTENTION.YOU ARE REALLY STARTING TO
P*SS ME OFF!I HAVE LOTS OF WORK TO DO
IN THE DAY!!!!!!I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO
BABY SIT YOU!!!!!!IF YOU PAY ATTENTION
TO YOUR WORK THEN THERE WILL NOT BE
A PROBLEM!!!!!SEE ME!!!!!!

- Mike

NOTE: EDITED ON SEPT 09 BY LTSTANFO. REASON - Language.

[cecilia]

Tigger wrote:

cecilia wrote:
the american government NEEDS to be slammed!
it's called "democracy"
get over it.



We didnt found the website to slam the American Government, if the only reason you are posting on the site is to slam the American government, you really need to find another site.
-Tig
i've contributed alot to the amiga community over the years - for free. i have nothing to apologize for. and when i know the answer to a query here (about amigas), i answer it.

but in addition to being an amiga user, i am a New Yorker - and proud of it. when i see something wrong with the government, i'm going to say so. that is my Obligation and Right as a Citizen of the United States of America.

I've learned alot from the people here who are NOT americans and i'd hate to see that dialog gone just because some people can't handle the truth.

[the_leander]

cecilia wrote:

i've contributed alot to the amiga community over the years - for free. i have nothing to apologize for. and when i know the answer to a query here (about amigas), i answer it.

but in addition to being an amiga user, i am a New Yorker - and proud of it. when i see something wrong with the government, i'm going to say so. that is my Obligation and Right as a Citizen of the United States of America.

I've learned alot from the people here who are NOT americans and i'd hate to see that dialog gone just because some people can't handle the truth.

I too have donated my time and energies over the years to fellow amiga users who were in a spot of bother, from sorting hard disks to patching A1200's for use with faster accelerators - often at my own personal cost.

I do most of my work on irc because thats where I work best (outside of showing up on the doorstep). I don't help out so much any more because I'm not up on the Amiga as I no longer run them.

Have I donated to Amiga.org? No, I can't afford to, if that means however that I am to be treated by members of this board with derision, then I really honestly cannot see me staying, I left for a bloody long while because of less. Quite frankly if being a member of this board and getting some respect requires me to have to take food out of my son's mouth to pay for it, then this isn't the place I thought it was.

A sod it, whats the bloody point in trying...

[Speelgoedmannetje]

he thinks the whole world is made of money.

[Tigger]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
he thinks the whole world is made of money.

Who are we talking about now speel??
-Tig

[T_Bone]

Glaucus wrote:

Well, I'm sure there's lots of that. We get that here too. Often I find people who can't hold a job have some form of mental problem, often depression on top of it.


KennyR chewed me out when I made a similar observation. ;-)

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
he thinks the whole world is made of money.

It is. The trick is figuring out who you can convince to exchange that to your local currency.

[Glaucus]

T_Bone wrote:

KennyR chewed me out when I made a similar observation. ;-)I guess I'm more convincing (or he just likes me more then you). ;-)

- Mike

[Tigger]

the_leander wrote:

Have I donated to Amiga.org? No, I can't afford to, if that means however that I am to be treated by members of this board with derision, then I really honestly cannot see me staying, I left for a bloody long while because of less. Quite frankly if being a member of this board and getting some respect requires me to have to take food out of my son's mouth to pay for it, then this isn't the place I thought it was.


I think several missed the point. The point was that Amiga.org is an amiga site, and just because you donate, doesnt mean you get to misbehave. 40% of the post on the coffee house are by 5 or 6 people. TPG implied he donates (which he does) and doesnt come here for amiga news (which is also ok), but then goes on to imply that Wayne need his donation to stay alive, so we need to rethink whether we would be better without off-topic conversation, which is a little off center. Frankly I dont think most of what is discussed in the coffee house can be considered conversation. Its argumentative trolling at best.
-Tig

[Argo]

Please stop the taunting. Get on topic. This topic is not about who does more for the Amiga or who donates more. Donating monitarily to this site does help with the associated costs. That is it. There is no special privleges or preferencial treatment due to it. Noone is required to donate either. We each help in our own way, weither it is monitarily, offering advice, answering questions, researching information, developing, etc.
Loosing members over such a discussion is just plain stupid.

AO Posting Guidlines (http://www.amiga.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=6)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Tigger wrote:
Its argumentative trolling at best.
"argumentative trolling" = contradictio in terminis.

[cecilia]

Frankly I dont think most of what is discussed in the coffee house can be considered conversation. Its argumentative trolling at best.maybe you don't know how to avoid the worst of these threads like i do.

[redrumloa]

Tigger wrote:
Thats the issue, it used to be if you couldnt find a job, you went to where the jobs where, but no, not the new worker, they sit around without experience wanting their perfect job to come to them. Then they get a job, and find out gee it involves showing up on time, wearing shoes and shirt and actually getting work done. The problem in Huntsville, isnt jobs, its workers, we have a 40% turnover rate on the line within 90 days, because they just dont show up, they work for 3 weeks, get the first two weeks pay then stone up and dont come in for a few days. Then wonder why we dont want to keep them on, two weeks of training down the drain, its just crazy.
-Tig

DING DING DING DING

Good explanation. The problem with the chronically unemployeed is their attitude and work ethic.

Another point: I have friends, close friends actually(good people) who remained unemployeed for a VERY long time because they were laid off their job and refused to be flexible enough to work somewhere else besides the an exact duplicate field in another company or take a pay cut, even in the short term. People have to be flexible. Give an honest 8 hours work for an honest 8 hours pay, period. The company doesn't OWE you anything besides a paycheck for time worked, and you don't owe them anythinng except honest work for pay received. If this bond is violated by either party, the other has the right to move on.

Self reliance people, plain and simple. People who look to big business and government for their happiness will live a miserable life.

[Cyberus]

cecilia wrote:
Frankly I dont think most of what is discussed in the coffee house can be considered conversation. Its argumentative trolling at best.maybe you don't know how to avoid the worst of these threads like i do.

Hear hear.

I've had some great discussions with people from all over the world in the Coffee House/DMZ, and I've genuinely enjoyed learning more about people and indeed the countries they come from. Only yesterday I learned a little bit about inheritance tax in the US for example. The personal touches - Red's ordeal with hurricanes, T_bone's battle with his local council about some aspects of his property [If I recall that correctly T_bone...:-?], the leanders newborn son, TPG's battle with 'chavs', Speel's battle to find a coat that fits in his home town (!) and various people's stories of love/heartache; thay all make it seem so homely.

Although not Amiga related, this is kinda part of the community spirit, IMHO. Sure, I ask and answer questions about the Amiga and its OS, but then its nice to talk with the same people about different things too.

Imagine going to the pub with your work colleagues and then proceeding to only talk about work...
It would be the same if the forums were nothing but endless hardware Q&As

Amigans seem a friendly bunch on the whole :-), and I've 'met' some great people because of this shared interest. And I'm very grateful to AOrg for that.
:pint:

[FluffyMcDeath]

Woh. Stop the presses. House defies Bush. Calls his bluff, we'll see if Dumbya pulls out the veto he was threatening and what repercussions it might have.

Story (http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/09/09/house/index_np.html)

Don't ya just hate it when the House starts slamming Americans (Tigger speak for "disagrees with Bush").

[Fade]

@ FluffyMcDeath
"Can't you just feel that rising tide lifting all boats?"
--------------------

This is a little OT, but I guess it does explain why Canadians would rather talk about the US's problems rather than their own.

Heard on TV today:

"All the jobs created in the US in the last 12 months is more than all the jobs created in the UK, France, Germany, Japan, and Canada combined."

Maybe if I lived in one of these countries I might be trying to deflect the news too. :roll:

[that_punk_guy]

Fade wrote:
"All the jobs created in the US in the last 12 months is more than all the jobs created in the UK, France, Germany, Japan, and Canada combined."


That sounds impressive until you realise the population of the US is about the same as the UK, France, Germany, Japan and Canada combined.

:roll:

[cecilia]

yeah, i thought that was a rather doppy comment as well.
i mean there are less people in Scotland than New York city.
Like about half the number.

America is HUGE

[Glaucus]

that_punk_guy wrote:
Fade wrote:
"All the jobs created in the US in the last 12 months is more than all the jobs created in the UK, France, Germany, Japan, and Canada combined."


That sounds impressive until you realise the population of the US is about the same as the UK, France, Germany, Japan and Canada combined.

:roll:
Ya just had to burst Fade's bubble didn't ya? For a second there I'm sure he felt smart. Oh well.

I am so smart, I am so smart, S-M-R-A-T... Doh!

:-D

- Mike

[Fade]

Hey, not a bad guess considering you went to school in the UK.

You only missed it by almost 70 Million people.
What's that, 1 whole UK + 1/3 Canada?

But we have some people in the US that can't add either.

Or as Cecilia might put it, "Well hail, thats olny about 9 times the popluaton of ny city".


France----- 60.4 M.
Japan----- 127.3 M.
Germany--- 82.4 M.
UK------- 60.2 M.
Canada---- 32.5 M.
================
Total-----362.8 M.

US-------293.0 M.
===============
Difference---69.8 M.

[cecilia]

SCOTLAND's population (http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/grosweb/grosweb.nsf/pages/02annual-report-chapter1): Scotland's population fell in the year to 30 June 2002 to 5,054,800

NYC population (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/census/pop2000.html): 8,008,278 - year 2000
I always figure there's an addtional several million illegal aliens in Jackson Heights (Queens), but my point is that there's more people in NYC than the entire area of Scotland.


And I don't have a southern accent.

[that_punk_guy]

Fade wrote:
Hey, not a bad guess considering you went to school in the UK.


Ummmm... Yeah, about that:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_mat_lit
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_lit_tot_pop
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_sci_lit
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_rea_lit

You're nowhere near the top of any of these... What's going on, kid?

Not bad considering it was a guess. Besides, you have missed my point. I would have thought someone of your obvious intelligence would have seen through such a Mooresque presentation of the facts. :-D

But I bet it sounds good on TV! Speaking of which, where exactly is the source of their data?

[T_Bone]

that_punk_guy wrote:
Fade wrote:
"All the jobs created in the US in the last 12 months is more than all the jobs created in the UK, France, Germany, Japan, and Canada combined."


That sounds impressive until you realise the population of the US is about the same as the UK, France, Germany, Japan and Canada combined.

:roll:


In other words it's a fair comparison? :-P

[that_punk_guy]

In other words it's not an awful lot to shout about, since you're paying your employees less you can afford more of them!! :-D

[T_Bone]

that_punk_guy wrote:
In other words it's not an awful lot to shout about, since you're paying your employees less you can afford more of them!! :-D

We're paying our employees less? :-o

[that_punk_guy]

That's what the topic was about! ;-)

[T_Bone]

that_punk_guy wrote:
That's what the topic was about! ;-)

:roflmao:

Owned.

Stupid Stupid Stupid! I walked right into that!