Very Interesting things going on down under.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Well, since the Mossad agents were picked up in NZ and charged with trying to obtain a NZ passport, more rocks have been turned over and more ugly facts have crawled out.

link (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=6579)

link (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10229580%255E2702,00.html)

link (http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/74554.php)

[cecilia]

creepy!
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/evil_zionist.jpg

[the_leander]

Mossad are a nasty bunch, and usually are much smarter then this. TBH I hope NZ ceases all contact with Isreal for the forseable future, but then again I think that that should be the case for the rest of the world also.

Isreal has gone too far too often in order to preserve its "security". This is just the tip of the iceberg in Isreal's continuing descent into violence. TBH I wouldnt' be surprised if they in the future were subsumed by the Arabs in the area who have lived looking nervously over their shoulders to the boarders of Isreal for decades.

Free Palistine and I think you'd probably find Muslim/Arab tensions in the area would reduce, thus cutting the reasons for Terrorism (One of Al Quieda's biggest recruiting tools is Isreal and the wests' continual financial and military aid to this Illegal country).

[Fade]

Fluffy, you didn't write that article in your third link did you?

You do realize that web site is a place where anybody that wants to can publish a story and make it look like a real story. It's a wonder you haven't been published before. :-o

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fade wrote:
Fluffy, you didn't write that article in your third link did you?


You are absolutely right. I didn't.


You do realize that web site is a place where anybody that wants to can publish a story and make it look like a real story. It's a wonder you haven't been published before. :-o

I liked the personal angle to that story. It corroberates other stories I have read but lost the links to. It's probably all rather messy being covert and all.

Here is another short story (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/18/1090089038600.html?from=storylhs&oneclick=true).

[FluffyMcDeath]

And it seems that one of these guys was using a Canadian passport. This caused a major diplomatic stink when it happened a few years back. I hope it causes another one now.

story (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/458387.html)

[smithy]

I was interested to read this story on the BBC when it broke a few weeks ago, but I've missed what's happened since. But I have a few thoughts:

1. Israel hasn't even tried to offer an explanation, and since New Zealand is an insignificant country with an insignificant relationship with Isreal it doesn't really care.

2. Prime Minister Helen Clark is using language to make herself look powerful, and because New Zealand and Israel's relations aren't terribly critical she doesn't care either.

3. Those people using it to bash Israel should remember that every intelligence service in the world does things like this.

[smithy]

I hope it causes another one now.

I wonder why you didn't start similar threads of outrage when your beloved fallen regime in Iraq did similar things.

[FluffyMcDeath]

smithy wrote:
I hope it causes another one now.

I wonder why you didn't start similar threads of outrage when your beloved fallen regime in Iraq did similar things.



First, there was no beloved regime in Iraq, but there was one with the legal right to exist.

Second, I never heard such stories. Did you?

[Tigger]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

First, there was no beloved regime in Iraq, but there was one with the legal right to exist.


Really, shoot the president in the head and you become president, thats a legal transition of power in your mind??


Second, I never heard such stories. Did you?

Lots, so did you, you just didnt care, because it wasnt the US, Britain or Israel.
-Tig

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tigger wrote:

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

First, there was no beloved regime in Iraq, but there was one with the legal right to exist.


Really, shoot the president in the head and you become president, thats a legal transition of power in your mind??


Gaming the election and having your daddies freinds select you is not so much better.

Iraq was soveriegn, and their government was their business. The Iraqi people had the right to change their government. You didn't. That's the law.



Second, I never heard such stories. Did you?

Lots, so did you, you just didnt care, because it wasnt the US, Britain or Israel.
-Tig


Go on then. Do tell.

[smithy]

First, there was no beloved regime in Iraq, but there was one with the legal right to exist.


I seem to remember an avatar of yours which was a photo of a 20-year old Saddam Hussein. This was long before even talk of the war started. A mass murderer is a curious choice for an avatar.

Legally entitled to exist under whose law? Saddam Hussein's own law?


Second, I never heard such stories. Did you?


Yes of course. And stories much worse than a few agents fraudulently applying for passports.

My point is seems to be lost. It is that I'm curious to know why you never bring stories to light about (say) human rights abuses in Syria or Iran, oppression in China, political scandals in Canada, corruption in the EU....? Instead we get a thread about 2 agents getting caught applying for a passport they weren't entitled to. Really, how does this joke thread even further your agenda?

This politics forum has been hijacked by a few individuals with too much time and too much irrational hatred and who are on some kind of holy crusade.

It's getting ridiculous, there are dozens and dozens anti Israel/US/UK threads (many which are so trivial and irrelevant) every week started by the same few people. It's difficult to filter through this screeching and now obvious agenda to find any messages that are thought-provoking and interesting.

Your threads are particularly bad because you don't even add any insight or commentary or your own, you just post new threads with links in them!

[KennyR]

smithy wrote:
Legally entitled to exist under whose law? Saddam Hussein's own law?

International law.

Whether you think Bush's little imperial war was justified or not is your own opinion. It's legality is not. All nations are sovereign according to international law. Invading them without following due law is a crime. USA and UK broke international law.

It is that I'm curious to know why you never bring stories to light about (say) human rights abuses in Syria or Iran, oppression in China, political scandals in Canada, corruption in the EU....?

Well, he is criticising the country with the worst human rights record in modern history - Israel.

[Glaucus]

Really, shoot the president in the head and you become president, thats a legal transition of power in your mind??Well, I'm sure if that wasn't legal the US government wouldn't have supported Saddam's rise to power in the first place, right? Unless of course you're willing to go on record that the US was Saddam's partner in crime.

- Mike

[FluffyMcDeath]

smithy wrote:

First, there was no beloved regime in Iraq, but there was one with the legal right to exist.


I seem to remember an avatar of yours which was a photo of a 20-year old Saddam Hussein. This was long before even talk of the war started. A mass murderer is a curious choice for an avatar.

Yes, you do seem to remember. But you don't remeber the timing and you clearly have no recollection of the reason. There was talk of the war. The war was inevitable (as we now know it always was) and people here were making "funny" comments about how they should kill Saddam. I was offended by the childish trivialisation of the endeavour Bush was trying to bring the world along to and I was offended that killing a human being should be so trivialised and that was outside of the fact that we all knew, or should have known, that no war is fought only against the head of state and that a lot of "ordinary lives" wouldf be lost too.

So I changed my avatar to a picture of Saddam from a younger and more dashing time in his life to illustrate that, what ever else he was, he was a human being. It took a long time for a significant number of people to figure out that it was a picture of Saddam, and that was part of the point.

My initial intent was to replace the image only when the war was over. However, I got tired of waiting realised that the war wouldn't be over for years, so I switched to my current bunny. If I had stuck to my origianl intentions I would still have that avatar, and probably for years to come.


Second, I never heard such stories. Did you?


Yes of course. And stories much worse than a few agents fraudulently applying for passports.

I want to hear the stories that you heard of Iraqi intelligence agents trying to obtain Canadian passports.

My point is seems to be lost. It is that I'm curious to know why you never bring stories to light about (say) human rights abuses in Syria or Iran, oppression in China, political scandals in Canada, corruption in the EU....? Instead we get a thread about 2 agents getting caught applying for a passport they weren't entitled to.

[...]thought-provoking and interesting.



I find these shenanigans thought provoking and interesting, especially in light of stories like this other one about NZ passports (http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=38985&c=w). Does THAT story provoke any thoughts? It isn't just a story here or there that interests me, it's patterns and threads. Some people read the news because they want to know what has happened. I like to know what will happen.